[mickyboy]

Anyone out there seen the Two Wheels comparo that was held at Eastern Creek ? Pretty interesting.......they couldn't stop raving about the R1 ( the Dyno data was interesting too.....R1 had top power at 162......Blade was around 155 ( R1 torque was lowest ). What I found interesting in the accompanying graphs was that the R1 apparently revved the fastest ( look at the power over time graph ).....when it had obviously LESS power than all the other bikes up to around 11,000 rpm. Anyone have any ideas how this can be ( gearing maybe ?? )......SOOK ??

Mike

[Jungleboy]

Yeah thats intresting that even though the R1 had the lowest torque that it pulled through the range the quickest! (lighter crank maybe) Did the comparo say how many K's were on each bike at the time the Dyno runs were made? I cant really say becuase my two 954's are the only road bikes Ive had since new and been through the running in process with, but Im wondering if possibly Honda's are maybe a little tighter from the factory when new? than other brands as mine were run in quite hard! yet didnt really seem to reach there full potential until about 4000K's.
My bike was Dynoed on the same dyno used for the Two Wheels shootout just the week after they were done and had 136.3hp yet when Australian Motor Cycle News did their "Big Bore Shootout" on the 03 models (also on the same Dyno) the 954 had 128.8hp, I know different days and there is also variations from bike to bike but at least Two of the variables were the same (same Dyno, same operator) But close to 8hp difference? It would be intresting to see all bikes Dynoed again after maybe 6000K's. If there were any changes to the status quo?

[tnarinen]

Originally Posted by Jungleboy

Yeah thats intresting that even though the R1 had the lowest torque that it pulled through the range the quickest! (lighter crank maybe) Did the comparo say how many K's were on each bike at the time the Dyno runs were made? I cant really say becuase my two 954's are the only road bikes Ive had since new and been through the running in process with, but Im wondering if possibly Honda's are maybe a little tighter from the factory when new? than other brands as mine were run in quite hard! yet didnt really seem to reach there full potential until about 4000K's.
My bike was Dynoed on the same dyno used for the Two Wheels shootout just the week after they were done and had 136.3hp yet when Australian Motor Cycle News did their "Big Bore Shootout" on the 03 models (also on the same Dyno) the 954 had 128.8hp, I know different days and there is also variations from bike to bike but at least Two of the variables were the same (same Dyno, same operator) But close to 8hp difference? It would be intresting to see all bikes Dynoed again after maybe 6000K's. If there were any changes to the status quo?

Like mentioned in other thread, there seems to be a lot of variance in RWHP between individual bikes of same model. Local mag dynoed two 1000RR's back to back in same dyno and there was 7.1 RWHP difference between them. Pretty much if you ask me

[mickyboy]

Originally Posted by Jungleboy

Yeah thats intresting that even though the R1 had the lowest torque that it pulled through the range the quickest! (lighter crank maybe) Did the comparo say how many K's were on each bike at the time the Dyno runs were made? I cant really say becuase my two 954's are the only road bikes Ive had since new and been through the running in process with, but Im wondering if possibly Honda's are maybe a little tighter from the factory when new? than other brands as mine were run in quite hard! yet didnt really seem to reach there full potential until about 4000K's.
My bike was Dynoed on the same dyno used for the Two Wheels shootout just the week after they were done and had 136.3hp yet when Australian Motor Cycle News did their "Big Bore Shootout" on the 03 models (also on the same Dyno) the 954 had 128.8hp, I know different days and there is also variations from bike to bike but at least Two of the variables were the same (same Dyno, same operator) But close to 8hp difference? It would be intresting to see all bikes Dynoed again after maybe 6000K's. If there were any changes to the status quo?

No indication whatsoever about the amount of K's on the bike......but I remember a conversation I had with " The Sook " when he assured me that the Honda's did not pick up any appreciable power gain as they got a few more ks on them..

[Jungleboy]

My super sensitive "But Dyno" sure noticed the difference on both my 954's, they both got stronger up to about 4000K's

[Perth_CBR1RR]

Why do I get suckered in to buying these unadulterated avon catalogues for men. 2W's reputation for publishing real writeups is nothing but pathetic!

For starters they need to get off whatever herbal tea they are sipping down there. Any one that calls my Blade "pleasant" is looking for a real tank slapping

notice they hype the comparo being at Eastern Creek, prized Aussie tarmac yet they didn't even post one lap time! they just used an ex Kwaka in Pitt and old Yamaha man Magee to put some blurb in on track manners. as for top speed they base that on a Dyno.

I knew I should have put that money towards sum Ultimate 98!

for a real compare check AMCN out next week, that should put some reality back in the pro's & cons of each and not just gloss a story up with some pretty grammar like 2W have.

fun riding this weekend everybody and have a "pleasant day"

[sp1]

Have seen dyno's before where there was a big difference in the same two bikes, you would think Honda being pretty top level when it comes to build quality would have smaller differences( this was mentioned in another thread, 7 hp difference same bikes.). Don't know whether your getting a dud or not.

[sp1]

Thats a huge difference around 7000rpm aswell, 25hp or so!

[tnarinen]

Originally Posted by sp1

Have seen dyno's before where there was a big difference in the same two bikes, you would think Honda being pretty top level when it comes to build quality would have smaller differences. Don't know whether your getting a dud or not.

Actually the test I referred to was a group test with two of each (gix-1000, '04 R1, ZX-10R and CBR1000RR) and Honda had biggest RWHP difference on the test. I can post the results/differences for all bikes later.

[sp1]

yes my mistake, to much whoring on my part looking at different threads.

[Monk]

What i think about this and many other reviews is that no matter how the riders really feel, The top bike always goes to the one with the most top end power??? regardless of how sweet any of the others may have been to ride.. And where are the lap times? For me i think that could put a different twist on the results..

[Zeeman]

The Two Wheels test actually claims the R1 has th ebest handling. Funny, that is so not what I have heard form everyone else...

Z...

[hokoyo]

Didn't the two wheels editor also think that speed cameras and front number plates were a good thing??

I have just bought the mag and will read it tonight. Always prefer AMCN though.

Go the Brumbies!!

[ratter]

speaking of magazines, has any heard that Australian Performance street bike will no longer be published

I know there is a new mag out, but is it a replacement ?

[Jungleboy]

Oh I havent heard about that, but I did see a new mag the otherday called "Moto" that featured a lot of modified bikes I guess that could be the replacement?

[omen137]

yeah, I read the two wheels comparo I think there's been money exchanged under the desk somnehow, cause there's no way the yamaha is better than the other 9 And suprise suprise, Kevin Magee was the main tester, an ex Yamaha racer. I will wait for the AMCN comparo thank you kind sir, cause at least I know the conclusion won't be influenced by outside sources.

[hokoyo]

It was not so much a comparison but more a brief write up on each bike.

They were winging about the suspension on the 1KRR, so why did they not adjust it

It certainly was not as informative as the motorcycle.com shootout or the motorcyle-usa one on the web.

[Perth_CBR1RR]

Originally Posted by hokoyo

It was not so much a comparison but more a brief write up on each bike.

They were winging about the suspension on the 1KRR, so why did they not adjust it

It certainly was not as informative as the motorcycle.com shootout or the motorcyle-usa one on the web.

Gday Hokoyo,
Mate as far a comparos go it was nothing but inflated dribble. Notice they even had in the Blades spec that it runs a cable clutch
So where in Perth is your Blade based?
Let us know if u r ever up for a brew down Scabs or alike and we can exchange bike specs

Dave

[The Sook]

Talkin to one of the amcn guys he rekons the R1 was "worked" on before they got it as other euro mags had them all within 3 h.p of eachother. AND the bikes they rode at the R1 launch went nowhere near as hard as this bike did. He also said that overall they thought the Blade was the best bike (dunno if that;s what they're writing) and the R1 2nd then the ZX10. He said the ZX was a light switch at around 5 or 6. But then a few weeks later he said that was the R1 that was the switch and the R1 was awesome. Personally, I think bike mags should start hiring people that know about bikes and riding them instead of good journo's who know ****.
MOTO, is a new mag that will replace PSB, but it's not really a replacement if you know what I mean. It's much better looking, and the guy running it , Jeff Ware, is a really nice guy who's all about performance etc. Should be a good mag. The first one was bit of an advertorial for S&R Pro, but apparently they were pushed for time bla blah blah. It LOOKS great, and Jeff had alot to do with helping Ben Obrien in 600's last year pitting for him and used to race, so stay tuned for another good mag.

[hokoyo]

Yea we will see what amcn says, I'm not changing me anyway, i love the CBR1KRR but all the 1 litre bikes this year are brilliant, what atime to own sports bikes, pity the poor luddites in cages, they dont know what they are missing

Dave i'm in Duncraig, be good to meet for a ride sometime

[Zeeman]

Streetbikes is going bi-annual apparently.

I've got moto - not a bad mag. As sook said, a bit of an S&R Pro advert, but still interesting neough. there is a home built 998RS (originally a 998s with R Sparts sourced from ex race bikes world over - VERY NICE BIKE!!! )

Z..

[Zeeman]

As for Two Wheels, I find that reading the llittle rants by Groff, Smith and Sandford are the only reason to buy it. and some pretty pictures of bikes.

AMCN tends to be far more interesting, but I find the Brit mags pretty much tell it best. Will never forget reading the 2000 big bikes comparo, and it is what pushed me to pick the CBR929RR - the pretty much said that the front end of the R1 is crazy, and the 929 is probably the best handling, though the R1 did have th eponies for those few who could harness them.

Z...

[sp1]

Seems to be there only major gripe was the suspension squatting out of corners, but it also mentioned that a slight adjustment will sort that out. I'm bit confused with the R1 25hp buffer for about 2000rpm near 7000rpm, thats a fair bit.
I thought Pitts remarks were pretty fair and nuetral, gotta expect Magee to be a little biased. TW does'nt really seem to be as thorough as other mags, and I mean by extra stuff like lap times, wet weights, etc.
Current issue of AMCN was stating that one of the 04 Sportsbikes had one 162 rwhp.

[Zeeman]

Re the Two wheel Dyno tests - they are done by Sydney dyno - there is nothing wrong with this, I just found that that particular dyno seems a bit optimistic with regards to power figures. I think AMCN also use the same dyno.

Z...

[The Sook]

They do, for power runsetc, but for mapping their long term bikes etc,they use us. Sydney Dyno is just very close to them for that sort of thing, and is handy. The bike in amcn was the R1 that mad 162. Look at fireblade and 1000RR thread. But it's bullshit. One of the guys told me that the R1 in that test was heaps quicker than the R1's he rode at the world launch. And I haven't seen a Gixxer 1000 with that h,p stock EVER. So I'd say the same goes for that too.
I'm dynoing a CBR1000RR today and an R1 today or next week so I'll let you know

[sp1]

cool, makes you wonder what they get upto behind the scenes with these test bikes. It would be nice if they went to a dealer and plucked one from there.

[Zeeman]

No tmany dealers would let you pluck a brand new $20k (aussie) bike and just throw it on the dyno...

Z...

[sp1]

can't I dream.....

[The Sook]

They'd have demo's though. But then the manufacture would just make sure they'd have their "demo" there for them when they got there etc. Only way I make judgements is in when I see them on MY dyno for myself. Then I know 100% for sure.