[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by BDA116

I'll state it better: It is completely wrong. There is no "Mormon Opression".

But a heavy influence on the community. Just as there is a southern way (cousin marrin'). Personally I don't mind not being able to get beer on Sunday, sounds like Abtech does. He probably likes Michigan better I am embedded like a tick in Alabama

However as far as being mistreated because you are not LDS I HIGHLY doubt it as all members I have met I would describe as wonderful people. Oh and having met you Speed I doubt they would try to convert you.... might even recognize yuor horns and run YOU off....

Originally Posted by BDA116

I'll state it better: It is completely wrong. There is no "Mormon Opression".

I know quite a few Mormon folk and am in no way scared

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

But a heavy influence on the community. Just as there is a southern way (cousin marrin'). Personally I don't mind not being able to get beer on Sunday, sounds like Abtech does. He probably likes Michigan better I am embedded like a tick in Alabama

However as far as being mistreated because you are not LDS I HIGHLY doubt it as all members I have met I would describe as wonderful people. Oh and having met you Speed I doubt they would try to convert you.... might even recognize yuor horns and run YOU off....

Now there's someone that's got me down right!

[Purpdust]

Why don't we pitch in a buy a Fireblades Frat house in Toole

Originally Posted by Purpdust

Why don't we pitch in a buy a Fireblades Frat house in Toole

OK, sounds great! My family & I will be the caretakers

[Red Rider]

My sister went to Salt Lake to visit 25 years ago and never left. I've been to visit her many times and would move there in a heartbeat. The city is clean, relatively safe, and the people are generally nice (compared to Detroit!). Not sure about the cost of living but it has to be less than Kalifornica...

Originally Posted by Red Rider

My sister went to Salt Lake to visit 25 years ago and never left. I've been to visit her many times and would move there in a heartbeat. The city is clean, relatively safe, and the people are generally nice (compared to Detroit!). Not sure about the cost of living but it has to be less than Kalifornica...

Sweet, another good story!


Found this little tid bit on the net:

Stereotypes always linger behind the curve of change. Visitors to the state that is known for polygamy and tough liquor laws may be surprised to find that it produces a beer called Polygamy Porter (advertising slogan: "Why just have one!").

[bwhip]

Actually, SPEED, all that stuff you've heard about Utah being repressive is true.

In fact, that waiter you were so chatty with was a staunch Republican LDS disguised as a flaming homo.

Originally Posted by bwhip

Actually, SPEED, all that stuff you've heard about Utah being repressive is true.

In fact, that waiter you were so chatty with was a staunch Republican LDS disguised as a flaming homo.

Every restaurant has to have one I guess



Little from Time: TIME.com: The New Utah -- Page 1

[luvtolean]

The truth of course is somewhere between Deez and BDA.

I'd put Tooele low on the list though. My uncle, who migrated to, and will probably die in UT, does construction and his crews, along with him, hate it out there. A ways from everything, and the weather is more severe there than in say Provo. Apparently the winds are worse (though you're used to that out in Riverside!) and the storms get funnelled into that valley by all those pretty mountains. Also, as a WAG, I'm guessing out there in BFE the schools will be subpar compared to here in Cali. In the towns like Provo, Orem, SLC and such, the schools might beat what you get in Riverside.

You will deal with snow out there. It won't be terrible, but it will be there. And it does get cold as a MOFO too.

Utah in general is very cowboy. Abtech mentioned the Mormons and the Cowboys...often they're found in the same people IME! Though as he says, plenty of rowdy cowboy bars too.

UT definitely lacks for diversity. It will be incredibly obvious to you as a Californian.

It has much fewer people, therefore a much smaller tax base, and the infrastructure as soon as you get off the beaten path quickly gets down to very poor levels. Probably not a big deal either, but it's another thing I always notice out there.

Culturally, and food-wise it's also very lacking compared to CA, if that matters to you. My relatives tend to want to do two things when they come to CA, eat food, and goto the beach!

On the upside, it's a much more healthy culture. If you get up at 5AM, even when it's freakin' cold, you'll see lots of people out running before work. You'll notice people are VERY serious about their "hunt'n and fish'n" there, I think they boarder on religion along with the LDS church!

Crime is low (and real low outside SLC) the air is clean, and the mountains are beautiful

The laws are much less restrictive, and I think you'll find much more logic in them then out here in Cali.

I wouldn't put it at the very top of places I'd leave Cali for, but it'd be on the short list I considered.

[phobiaphobe]

Just don't buy next to a magnesium smelter... smells like piss.

Thanks a bunch LTL, I'll keep all that in mind when searching the area. I know I wouldn't want to be more than 1- 1 1/2 hours away from MMP.

Does your uncle live in Orem?

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Just don't buy next to a magnesium smelter... smells like piss.

Yeah but the wheels are awesome!!

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by SPEED

Does your uncle live in Orem?

He lives in Spanish Fork. It's pretty nice over there. I've done the commute from over there, and it's less than an hour from MMP. Provo would be too.

Originally Posted by luvtolean

He lives in Spanish Fork. It's pretty nice over there. I've done the commute from over there, and it's less than an hour from MMP. Provo would be too.

Homes pretty spendy there?

[BDA116]

Again,
Speed, you saw for yourself what it was like out there. You also saw about the worst of the roads on your trip.
I could write lots on my perception of kalifornistan and claim to be an expert because I lived there for a few years and have family there and from there.
What it comes down to is what you experienced and can find from unbiased sources.
Oh, and at certain times during the winter the air will be worse than anything you've seen before. Temperature inversions in mountain valleys aren't good.

Don't forget about the transvestite pizza delivery person as well. It was a staunch right winger undercover LDS Opressor, too.


The Salt Lake valley and Utah valley (where Provo, Orem, SF, etc. are) are more expensive then Tooele as they are the population centers, but you can still find mid to upper 100s housing all over.

Originally Posted by BDA116

Again,
Speed, you saw for yourself what it was like out there. You also saw about the worst of the roads on your trip.
I could write lots on my perception of kalifornistan and claim to be an expert because I lived there for a few years and have family there and from there.
What it comes down to is what you experienced and can find from unbiased sources.
Oh, and at certain times during the winter the air will be worse than anything you've seen before. Temperature inversions in mountain valleys aren't good.

Don't forget about the transvestite pizza delivery person as well. It was a staunch right winger undercover LDS Opressor, too.

We caught a little wind, if that's the worst it gets then it can't hold a candle to what we're used to here near ontario. We have a huge wooden playset for the kids & the wind picked it up & moved it about 5 feet a few years ago.

So, how cold "IS" cold in Tooele anyway? It was 85 both days when I was there

[luvtolean]

Unbiased sources? Who, you BDA?

Whatever man.

Speed, just go check average weather on weather.com. I went out there for a trackday and was snowed out in spring. It was in the 20's during the day. The next day it was 80's I guess. I'm sure in winter many days it's in the teens.

Just life in the mountains...

[RRWANTR]

BDA...are you a member of LDS?

Personally, I wasn't too impressed with SLC itself from the driving around we did there on Sunday, but then not too many bigger cities impress me much. I admit, that I'd have to look around more than one day to get a better feel, but it wasn't an area that struck me as one that I'd put on the top of my list (though it would definitely be higher than midpack).

The area is kind of like here but with a "few" more trees and a bit more brown grass to replace the sand and tumbleweeds. You can be in the mountains just the same as here, but there's no beach 2.5 hrs away.

Personally, if I was to move out there (having grown up in very rural Northern MN) it would have to be outside the city etc. That would give the opportunity to have a decent piece of land etc etc. I love the small town living I'm in now (30k).

If BDA's any indication of the people out there, everyone should stay far, far away.. (though a lot of my views follow the same train of thinking.. )

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by SPEED

Homes pretty spendy there?

I have never really looked into prices there. I know what their house costs, and their friend's across the street, but they're both on acreage and live in 8000+ sq ft plus houses, so it doesn't mean much.

[RRWANTR]

8k+...holy shyte.

[abtech]

But do they still run the Heber Creeper?

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by abtech

But do they still run the Heber Creeper?

Yes.

[abtech]

Originally Posted by BDA116

Yes.