Originally Posted by abtech

Believe me, it is.

God, I love trains and all the stuff from eras gone by . . .

My two year old saw the train & said "Let's drive to there & go on it!"

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by BDA116

Again,
Speed, you saw for yourself what it was like out there. You also saw about the worst of the roads on your trip.
I could write lots on my perception of kalifornistan and claim to be an expert because I lived there for a few years and have family there and from there.
What it comes down to is what you experienced and can find from unbiased sources.
Oh, and at certain times during the winter the air will be worse than anything you've seen before. Temperature inversions in mountain valleys aren't good.

Don't forget about the transvestite pizza delivery person as well. It was a staunch right winger undercover LDS Opressor, too.


The Salt Lake valley and Utah valley (where Provo, Orem, SF, etc. are) are more expensive then Tooele as they are the population centers, but you can still find mid to upper 100s housing all over.

dang leftists. The guy you seen at the way to Baa-rber with 2 1/2 teeth, well he is real. So stay west of the Mississippi and north of the Mason-Dixon

[JMGZ]

Originally Posted by SPEED

So, how cold "IS" cold in Tooele anyway? It was 85 both days when I was there

The record low in SLC was set in 1933 and was -30 F. Here in Calgary we hit that temperature often (with the wind chill of course) during the Winter.

I would give anything for the average low temperature to be an 22 F in Jan and Dec. I am used to around 5 F in Jan and Dec.

[RRWANTR]

Yike! Avg hi 39 avg low 25...

I grew up where the avg hi in Jan was 18 and the avg low was -10....sure don't miss those days.

Now I think my avg hi of 60 and avg low of 30 in Jan is freezing. roflmao

[navydevildoc]

Averages for San Diego:
December is the coldest month, with average lows at 43, highs 68 during the day.

August is the warmest month, with lows at 62, high of 82.

January is the wettest month, with an average 2.52 inches of rain.

[speedextreme16]

Originally Posted by JMGZ

The record low in SLC was set in 1933 and was -30 F. Here in Calgary we hit that temperature often (with the wind chill of course) during the Winter.

I would give anything for the average low temperature to be an 22 F in Jan and Dec. I am used to around 5 F in Jan and Dec.

So tell that man of yours to find a job down here in the states where you can have the warm weather and the beaches, oh yea, and the malls for you to shop.

[speedextreme16]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

Yike! Avg hi 39 avg low 25...

I grew up where the avg hi in Jan was 18 and the avg low was -10....sure don't miss those days.

Now I think my avg hi of 60 and avg low of 30 in Jan is freezing. roflmao

Ahh, I remember those days back in Chicago. Sure don't miss them at all. I think in the winter the avg low was right around the same and I think the avg high was 20 or so. Now, living here (in the same damn town as Fred ) I think the same way, with the high of 60 being cold. We tend to get spoiled with warm weather out here.

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by speedextreme16

Ahh, I remember those days back in Chicago. Sure don't miss them at all. I think in the winter the avg low was right around the same and I think the avg high was 20 or so. Now, living here (in the same damn town as Fred ) I think the same way, with the high of 60 being cold. We tend to get spoiled with warm weather out here.

Chicago
Jan Avg high 32
Avg low 18

Not even close. Avg low is 28 degrees warmer in Chitown

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

Where'd you live again? I thought you were 5 min from Cabelas? That sure seemed like an area of more than 30k....

Yeah, the city is Lehi.
The 2000 census shows Lehi at 19,000 and I asked the city this morning about current numbers, and they estimate it at ~28K.
Couldn't tell you for sure.

[RRWANTR]

So is Lehi like a burb with burbs surrounding it then?

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

So is Lehi like a burb with burbs surrounding it then?

Land area wise it is very sprawled out - covers a lot of area. In fact, two new cities have split off Lehi (on the south end at the shore of the lake and on the west side) due to population growth and being quite far from the still-small city center. The fire dept. was all volutneer until recently as well and the PD doubled in size.
But it is still fairly small in population and still has a "small town" feel to it.
I guess in a way it is a "burb with surrounding burbs" in that the center of the city is 5-10 miles from that community that has gone up around Cabelas, but it is still part of the same city. The development I am in is also "dislocated" from the rest, I guess, but our new house and the property is closer to the rest of the city.
If you head east on that road where Cabelas is there are even more communities that are part of the city, but quite disjoined like that new community you saw.

[speedextreme16]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

Chicago
Jan Avg high 32
Avg low 18

Not even close. Avg low is 28 degrees warmer in Chitown

Have you ever lived there??
I don't care what you find on weather.com or wherever you got that from, but in the winter time, it is freakin colder than 18 degrees. The weather predictions are never right. You ever heard of the lakeshore effect??

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by speedextreme16

Have you ever lived there??
I don't care what you find on weather.com or wherever you got that from, but in the winter time, it is freakin colder than 18 degrees. The weather predictions are never right. You ever heard of the lakeshore effect??

The average of 18 degrees is not made from predictions. It's generated from actual temps.

Ever hear of the term AVERAGE (if not, it means there are higher temps than 18 and lower temps than 18 but on AVERAGE the low temp is 18)?

I'm sure I've heard of the lakeshore effect, as I lived on the shore of Lake Superior..ever hear of it?

And actually, during the winter, the temp is usually warmer along the shore than inland a bit due to the lakeshore effect (the effect does provide for more snow though). Windchill (doesn't change the actual Temp reading) will be greater right on the shore due to the unubstructed wind. During the summer it's usually cooler by the shore due to the cool water.

What's Draper like?

Found this lease option..5 Bedroom Home on Cul-du-sac in Draper — Rentals on RentClicks

[JMGZ]

Originally Posted by speedextreme16

So tell that man of yours to find a job down here in the states where you can have the warm weather and the beaches, oh yea, and the malls for you to shop.

As soon as I am done school (I graduate in April) I want to get the hell outta here. I HATE SNOW!!!!

All I want to do right now is lay on a beach and look pretty. Is that as bad as it sounds? Don't answer that.

Taylor are you listening????

[abtech]

Originally Posted by JMGZ

As soon as I am done school (I graduate in April) I want to get the hell outta here. I HATE SNOW!!!!

All I want to do right now is lay on a beach and look pretty. Is that as bad as it sounds? Don't answer that.

Taylor are you listening????

Watch out for skin cancer. Bad juju . . .

[JMGZ]

Originally Posted by abtech

Bad juju . . .

What is juju?

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by SPEED

What's Draper like?

Found this lease option..5 Bedroom Home on Cul-du-sac in Draper — Rentals on RentClicks

Draper is a very fast growing city. Much like Lehi where I live, it was almost half the size five or so years ago.
The old Widowmaker Mountain now has homes all around and atop it.
Bad part - the state's largest prison complex is in the town right next door.
That home is on the east side of the freeway and north of the prison, prison is on the west side.
Still a nice area and it's not like the prison has a history of breakouts.
Not too bad a price for the size I guess.

It's about 10-12 miles north of me.

Originally Posted by BDA116

Draper is a very fast growing city. Much like Lehi where I live, it was almost half the size five or so years ago.
The old Widowmaker Mountain now has homes all around and atop it.
Bad part - the state's largest prison complex is in the town right next door.
That home is on the east side of the freeway and north of the prison, prison is on the west side.
Still a nice area and it's not like the prison has a history of breakouts.
Not too bad a price for the size I guess.

It's about 10-12 miles north of me.

Thanks for the info! My kids are drooling all over it! "Dad, can we get it?!" lol

Chains required in the winter much?

Originally Posted by JMGZ

What is juju?

beads

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by SPEED

Thanks for the info! My kids are drooling all over it! "Dad, can we get it?!" lol

Chains required in the winter much?

I've never put chains on any vehicle here.
The New Year's Eve before last we went up to our condo in Park City in my wife's Eclipse. It just so happens that night we got a blizzard. Driving home was a bit slow and my wife was turning into a ball of nerves, but it there were really no hairy moments. The biggest problem came trying to get the damned thing out of the parking spot as a plow had just gone down the street.
That drive between PC and SLC isn't really too hairy a canyon, but some of the ski area canyons will require 4x4 or chains. Those ski days you just drive a 4x4.
Really, the snow removers work very efficiently here.

Originally Posted by BDA116

I've never put chains on any vehicle here.
The New Year's Eve before last we went up to our condo in Park City in my wife's Eclipse. It just so happens that night we got a blizzard. Driving home was a bit slow and my wife was turning into a ball of nerves, but it there were really no hairy moments. The biggest problem came trying to get the damned thing out of the parking spot as a plow had just gone down the street.
That drive between PC and SLC isn't really too hairy a canyon, but some of the ski area canyons will require 4x4 or chains. Those ski days you just drive a 4x4.
Really, the snow removers work very efficiently here.

Good news!

[moultensoul]

Utah is a great place! I have lived all over the country, in Boston, Dallas, Pensacola, Las Angeles and Phoenix, every one of them has there own peculiarity and down side. None of them can compare with the beauty of this state. If your a drunken ass rammer you probably won't like it here, however if you can get along with people and let others follow their own path they will let you follow yor own way to peace and happiness. People looking for problems will always find them and will never be happy anywhere. So if Utah looks good to you, it probably will be. And if you want to bitch about liquor laws you'd better start with the Dallas area!