Power Commander

Cbr954Victoria · 06-06-2009, 7:15 PM

I have a 2002 CBR 954 and I was wondering if anyone can tell me what would be the good settings to put my bike on....or some way to remap the map that im using now

REV STONE · 08-08-2009, 9:29 PM

SEND ME A REPLY TELLING ME ABOUT ANY MODS IF THERE ARE ANY AND I WILL TELL YOU IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO...OR IF YOU SHOULD TAKE IT TO A PRO....

Twincam · 08-08-2009, 9:33 PM

First, let me start by welcoming you to the forum!....

Second, is your 954RR stock? Are you currently using a stock map?

You can download various maps from the Dynojet website (they are rough maps to suit the most used mods on a 954RR e.g. a full race exhaust system or an end can and a different air filter etc.)

Instructions should also be on there of how to add them to your map (your PC3 will either be a serial or USB type - you'll also need the cable)

Best thing to do would be to get your bike onto a Dyno and get a custom map made which would be suited to your bike - every bike is different and also every location is (height above sea level). The maps on the Dynojet webside are just ones made for a specific bike/location and so may not be 100% suited to yours)

Psst: Rev stone - hit the caps lock button

REV STONE · 08-08-2009, 10:01 PM

even if you do download the map from dynojet...or take it to a dynojet test facility..they may not get it right...you have to be sure to let them know if you have done any engine work....top end or bottom end....and also they need to know about your riding style....NOW I GO TO SCHOOl FOR THIS AND I AM A CERTIFIED DYNO TECH......AND THAT IS THE BEST ADVISE YOU CAN GET..and other then that you can try to mess around with the dyno maps...BUT REMEMBER TO SAVE YOUR STOCK MAP IF IT RUNS SOMEWHAT GOOD RIGHT now...JUST READ THE HELP SECTION AND FOLLOW WHAT IT SAYS....

EMAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOME HELP..

bladeracer · 08-09-2009, 1:17 AM

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Originally Posted by REV STONE

even if you do download the map from dynojet...or take it to a dynojet test facility..they may not get it right...you have to be sure to let them know if you have done any engine work....top end or bottom end....and also they need to know about your riding style....NOW I GO TO SCHOOl FOR THIS AND I AM A CERTIFIED DYNO TECH......AND THAT IS THE BEST ADVISE YOU CAN GET..and other then that you can try to mess around with the dyno maps...BUT REMEMBER TO SAVE YOUR STOCK MAP IF IT RUNS SOMEWHAT GOOD RIGHT now...JUST READ THE HELP SECTION AND FOLLOW WHAT IT SAYS....

EMAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOME HELP..

I agree with telling the dyno operator about any engine mods but it probably doesn't matter as they'll be tuning to the output of the engine regardless.

REV STONE · 08-09-2009, 1:27 AM

yes you are correct but there might be a few things that they need to adjust...if the mods are for the fuel/air mix...I.E. CAMS...VALVES.

bladeracer · 08-09-2009, 1:40 AM

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Originally Posted by REV STONE

yes you are correct but there might be a few things that they need to adjust...if the mods are for the fuel/air mix...I.E. CAMS...VALVES.

Cams and valves?
Wouldn't that have been the job of whomever installed the parts?

REV STONE · 08-09-2009, 1:43 AM

yes it was the techs job...but it would be a nice jesture on your part to let them know that the bike has hi-po mods...will make tuning easier...if they are able to tune for those mods...

honda3x23 · 08-09-2009, 7:29 PM

it wouldnt matter..

for someone who GOES TO SCHOOL FOR THIS STUFF, you sure come off as a moron. where do you go to school genius?

cbr1kfireblade · 08-09-2009, 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by honda3x23

it wouldnt matter..

for someone who GOES TO SCHOOL FOR THIS STUFF, you sure come off as a moron. where do you go to school genius?

lmao

jrivas · 08-09-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by honda3x23

it wouldnt matter..

for someone who GOES TO SCHOOL FOR THIS STUFF, you sure come off as a moron. where do you go to school genius?

wow....... speakin your mind eh..........

bladeracer · 08-10-2009, 2:08 AM

A little harsh but somebody was going to say it eventually ;-)

macca9540 · 08-10-2009, 4:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bladeracer

A little harsh but somebody was going to say it eventually ;-)

Never a dull moment here.

REV STONE · 08-10-2009, 2:44 PM

say what you want but i am not the one asking how to fix something...on my bike...so you can think you know about it ....and it will stay messed up..like it is now...so good trails...happy tinkering...smart guy.

REV STONE · 08-10-2009, 2:49 PM

because any idiot can tell you that...sure you can changed the map...but if you really dont understand fuel air therory...you will never understand how power commanders work....so again you can say what you want i was just trying to give you a couple things to try...and maybe they would work.....but you are so intent on being a smart@$$....that you can let yourself be wrong...so your loss...wow for a guy that is serching for a ansswer to his problem...you sure are a know it all

bladeracer · 08-10-2009, 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by REV STONE

because any idiot can tell you that...sure you can changed the map...but if you really dont understand fuel air therory...you will never understand how power commanders work....so again you can say what you want i was just trying to give you a couple things to try...and maybe they would work.....but you are so intent on being a smart@$$....that you can let yourself be wrong...so your loss...wow for a guy that is serching for a ansswer to his problem...you sure are a know it all

The guy with the problems hasn't said a word and may not even have a problem.
The average rider has no desire to understand how the PC works, he just wants his bike to run the best it can.
Any dyno tuner is going to adjust the map according to what the dyno tells him the bike is doing. He really doesn't need to know what work if any has been done to the engine.
Your advice is appreciated but that doesn't make it "the best advice you can get" ;-)

REV STONE · 08-10-2009, 3:13 PM

that is what keeps the average joe thinking that they cant get to the root of the problem...and to be honest there is a little more to dyno tuning then people think....but i guess that is the respect i get for trying to help for free...maybe i should be like every other tech and rip people off....instead of telling them how to narrow down the problem...and the dyno only knows about the fuel air mix at the exhaust....it does not do adjustments to the motor...it can only change the air fuel at a given RPM...and Throttle position...it can sync starter valves...or the throttle plates..in the throttle bodies....but enough with that...we have all resolved that i dont know what i am talking about...so for the original poster....you can try the things i said...or not it is free advice...and there is nothing wrong with free..

bladeracer · 08-10-2009, 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by REV STONE

that is what keeps the average joe thinking that they cant get to the root of the problem...and to be honest there is a little more to dyno tuning then people think....but i guess that is the respect i get for trying to help for free...maybe i should be like every other tech and rip people off....instead of telling them how to narrow down the problem...and the dyno only knows about the fuel air mix at the exhaust....it does not do adjustments to the motor...it can only change the air fuel at a given RPM...and Throttle position...it can sync starter valves...or the throttle plates..in the throttle bodies....but enough with that...we have all resolved that i dont know what i am talking about...so for the original poster....you can try the things i said...or not it is free advice...and there is nothing wrong with free..

All of us are here offering our advice for free, you aren't the first (I guess technically you're the last since you just joined us).
If you go back and read your posts you didn't offer all that much useful advice. Your first advice was to contact you privately which I don't understand. If I'm spreading knowledge I want it to be public on the forum for others to correct if I'm wrong and so others with similar problems can find it without having to ask again. I'm sure everybody understands that any generic map is going to be less than perfect but that's the result when it's free. If you want perfect then you pay some money and have your bike custom mapped. The vast majority of riders should be able to try a few maps and find something that's close enough to suit their needs.
Your advice is appreciated as is everybody else's.

cbr1kfireblade · 08-10-2009, 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bladeracer

All of us are here offering our advice for free, you aren't the first (I guess technically you're the last since you just joined us).
If you go back and read your posts you didn't offer all that much useful advice. Your first advice was to contact you privately which I don't understand. If I'm spreading knowledge I want it to be public on the forum for others to correct if I'm wrong and so others with similar problems can find it without having to ask again. I'm sure everybody understands that any generic map is going to be less than perfect but that's the result when it's free. If you want perfect then you pay some money and have your bike custom mapped. The vast majority of riders should be able to try a few maps and find something that's close enough to suit their needs.
Your advice is appreciated as is everybody else's.

WyoJames · 08-10-2009, 4:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bladeracer

A little harsh but somebody was going to say it eventually ;-)

Yeah, I didn't get here early enough.

WyoJames · 08-10-2009, 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by REV STONE

say what you want but i am not the one asking how to fix something

haha, only time will tell now. I would assume that you go to the gixxer forums for advice so you can feel superior

cbr1kfireblade · 08-10-2009, 5:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WyoJames

haha, only time will tell now. I would assume that you go to the gixxer forums for advice so you can feel superior

man you all have to quit making me laugh

, i hurt my ribs in the wreck

Twincam · 08-10-2009, 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bladeracer

All of us are here offering our advice for free, you aren't the first (I guess technically you're the last since you just joined us).
If you go back and read your posts you didn't offer all that much useful advice. Your first advice was to contact you privately which I don't understand**. If I'm spreading knowledge I want it to be public on the forum for others to correct if I'm wrong and so others with similar problems can find it without having to ask again. I'm sure everybody understands that any generic map is going to be less than perfect but that's the result when it's free. If you want perfect then you pay some money and have your bike custom mapped. The vast majority of riders should be able to try a few maps and find something that's close enough to suit their needs.
Your advice is appreciated as is everybody else's.

** Also, I'm not quite sure how the member is supposed to contact you as currently you have a time delay before a member is allowed to either make or recieve PMs (standard for anyone), and with no contact details in your profile I'm not sure how anyone would be able to.

Coming back to what you said, don't Power commanders just change the fuel injection/adjustment? Some I believe can adjust the ignition but you need a seperate control unit/box (well from what I have learn't)

Also, by removing the PC the map will also be removed therefore allowing the bike to run the same map which is stored in the ECU.

NB: This is directed to REV STONE, not B.R.

bladeracer · 08-10-2009, 8:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Twincam

Coming back to what you said, don't Power commanders just change the fuel injection/adjustment? Some I believe can adjust the ignition but you need a seperate control unit/box (well from what I have learn't)

The PC2 and PC3r include ignition timing adjustment.

Twincam · 08-10-2009, 8:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bladeracer

The PC2 and PC3r include ignition timing adjustment.

Why did they never include it on the PC3? Cheaper?

bladeracer · 08-10-2009, 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Twincam

Why did they never include it on the PC3? Cheaper?

I think the PC3 was dearer than the PC2 actually.
The PC3r was dearer.
Maybe they just liked the idea of making more money from selling the add-on modules for the PC3USB :-)

honda3x23 · 08-11-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bladeracer

I think the PC3 was dearer than the PC2 actually.
The PC3r was dearer.
Maybe they just liked the idea of making more money from selling the add-on modules for the PC3USB :-)

they must for how much those ignition boxes cost

honda3x23 · 08-11-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by REV STONE

that is what keeps the average joe thinking that they cant get to the root of the problem...and to be honest there is a little more to dyno tuning then people think....but i guess that is the respect i get for trying to help for free...maybe i should be like every other tech and rip people off....instead of telling them how to narrow down the problem...and the dyno only knows about the fuel air mix at the exhaust....it does not do adjustments to the motor...it can only change the air fuel at a given RPM...and Throttle position...it can sync starter valves...or the throttle plates..in the throttle bodies....but enough with that...we have all resolved that i dont know what i am talking about...so for the original poster....you can try the things i said...or not it is free advice...and there is nothing wrong with free..

where do they teach you about bikes without a high school education? i'm dying to know..

your help is useless, he didn't say he had a problem.. congratulations, i'm glad after spending money on an 'education' you can do things just about anybody can do with a shop manual.. should i pat you on the back buddy?

bladeracer · 08-11-2009, 5:03 AM

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Originally Posted by honda3x23

your help is useless, he didn't say he had a problem.. congratulations, i'm glad after spending money on an 'education' you can do things just about anybody can do with a shop manual.. should i pat you on the back buddy?

I hired an apprentice carpenter once.
I asked him what his marks were like and he said he passed everything fine.
I asked him to be more specific and he admitted he was a "just made it over the line" student. At the time a pass was 60% or better.
I asked him if he thought I could afford to hire somebody that was going to screw up 40% of everything I paid him to do.
I hired him anyway and it wasn't good. At eighteen he was already a confirmed drunk with little chance of ever seeing a driving licence - very sad.