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Old 01-09-2005, 3:19 PM
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Advice for new front end work...

Ok....Im finally getting around to doing somthing about my leaky seals in my forks..

Heres my shopping list for Race-Tech stuff what do I have that I dont need Or what have I forgotten

Im an above average rider (I can get my knee down but Im not a racer) is this over kill?.... Should I get valves and springs or could I get away with just one or the other.

The only thing wrong with my bike is the leaking seals I hjust thought that since I was going to have the forks off and apart I could do some upgrading

Springs ---- FRSP S3825100 RT FRK SPR 38.2x25.0x250 1.0kg ---- $109.99
Valves ---- FMGV S2040 FORK GOLD VALVE - 20x6mm ---- $159.99
Oil ---- US1 US-1 ULTRA SLICK LIGHT (qt) 2qts@ $24.99 ---- $49.98
Bushings ---- FMBI 43201 P FORK BUSH INNER-43x20x1 PAIR ---- $19.99
Seals ---- FSOS 43C P FORK SHOWA OIL SEAL PAIR 43mm ---- $21.98
Washer ---- FMCW 1015 COPPER WASHER - 10x15mm ---- $1.99

Total Product Cost $363.92

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Re: Advice for new front end work...

why so heavy on the springs?
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Re: Advice for new front end work...

Cuz Im a 200LB Lard a$$....

They're suggestion was to get somthing close to .91....kg/mm and to pick the closest...1.0 was the best match

Why what would you suggest..and why....Im not locked into anything yet...so free advice is what Im looking for

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Re: Advice for new front end work...

well i always thought the same thing too, i am 250. not too long ago (2 or 3 months) i went to jenningsGP and Thermosman was there (Suspension guy) and he put .95's in my GSXR600. I would have thought they should have been 1.05's with my weight, but he told me a lot of it depends how you ride too. I was skeptical, but we put them on the bike and went out for a ride and it was the fastest I felt on a bike. Everything just felt right, not too much dive and it wasn't too stiff.

I am sure others with much more experience will debate this, but this is what i experienced

give him a call. he very approachable and kind and will not mind answering questions.

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i am 250.....i went to jenningsGP and Thermosman was there (Suspension guy) and he put .95's in my GSXR600. I would have thought they should have been 1.05's with my weight, but he told me a lot of it depends how you ride too.
i agree..... i'm no expert, but it's not just your weight that's taken into consideration. if you're slamming into corners under hard braking, than your springs have to be heavier, to keep the front of the bike from collapsing due to a higher weight transfer, and your own weight included.

you might want to call someone, like suggested, to get a better idea. i've dealt with Max McAllister at Traxxion Dynamics and had good success with him. you can also call Dan Kyle: another excellent authority on the subject and good place to deal with. Even the weight of the fluid in the front forks is an issue, depending on your riding style and needs. a heavier viscosity can change your damping rate, vs a lighter one.

if you're gonna spend the time and effort to take the front end apart and rebuild the front end, then have it revalved and redone to suit your personal riding style, IMHO. (i love spending other people's money!!)

200lbs isn't that bad, since the bike MFG'ers generally build for 130-170 lbs riders. granted, you're over their "ideal" weight range, but you ain't bad. I'm at 240, and that's a bit more than what the MFG'ers designed the bike for. i'll be sending my stuff out, when it's time, for the "everything with fries and supersized" when that time comes. (god forbid i eat a salad...)

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Re: Advice for new front end work...

Here's the Raceteck calculator..

I do ride at a sprited pace nearly always Mt Pamomar Its twisty....tight and demanding..very hard on brakes and rubber both up and down...Im a true believer of "The pace", Im quicker than most but no where near the edge of my ability ands certaninly not near the bikes..even with stockl suspension....that's why I bought a goKart....That..I take to the edge..but thats a diffrent story...

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Re: Advice for new front end work...

I know others here swear by DKs work. I'd say send him the forks and he'll have them all done up nice for ya. I think for around the same price that you have listed for parts.
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Re: Advice for new front end work...

Yeah..I was looking at DK...but he uses race tech stuff ( springs at least) so why not just go to Racetec...its quicker for me I can almost drive them there ~80 miles...so it would almost be quicker..w/o the hassels of mailing them..which spookes me

Bubba..are you sure the deciding factor for the .95 springs was not dictated by the size of the bike....? just wondering Im a rock when it come to this stuff so I KNOW NOTHING
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Re: Advice for new front end work...

I've heard that racetech's calculator for what springs you need isn't very accurate. Many of us, myself included, have sent our forks off to Dan Kyle. What bike are you talking about? I know for a fact he does excellent work on 929/954 forks. The racetech gold valves aren't popular around here, as they are made of soft brass and wear out. Dan Kyle revalves the stock valves, and polishes the forks, getting them working close to Ohlins forks, at least on the 929/954. I understand that he can't do this with the 1000rr forks (through no fault of his own, there's more problems with those stock forks). I guess he revalves other brands as well, but I'm only familiar with his work with the 929/954. So, if you have a 929/954, I'd recommend calling Dan and shipping your forks to him. New springs are about $100. Then for $330 he will revalve and polish. Makes a huge difference.
I shipped mine to him from NJ, no problems!

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Re: Advice for new front end work...

Is there an address or phone number..I cant find one on his site....
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Is there an address or phone number..I cant find one on his site....
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Is there an address or phone number..I cant find one on his site....
Tornado bait posted it above. You're better off calling rather than emailing him...
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Re: Advice for new front end work...

DOH!!! I looked everywhere..EXCEPT at the bottom of the first page!

Thanks...but where the F#*k is Sand City....

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DOH!!! I looked everywhere..EXCEPT at the bottom of the first page!

Thanks...but where the F#*k is Sand City....

cali man. i would says surfs up, but people dont like that
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Yeah..I was looking at DK...but he uses race tech stuff ( springs at least) so why not just go to Racetec...its quicker for me I can almost drive them there ~80 miles...so it would almost be quicker..w/o the hassels of mailing them..which spookes me

Bubba..are you sure the deciding factor for the .95 springs was not dictated by the size of the bike....? just wondering Im a rock when it come to this stuff so I KNOW NOTHING

yes, give any one of these guys a call. He never asked me the size of the bike. It is in race trim so not really easy to spot
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Yeah..I was looking at DK...but he uses race tech stuff
Not any more. He says Racetechs quality has gone down hill. Now he uses Ohlins springs $109. I know, because my forks are there right now.
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DOH!!! I looked everywhere..EXCEPT at the bottom of the first page!

Thanks...but where the F#*k is Sand City....
Not sure where in CA that is exactly. I don't think it's far from Laguna Seca? I've never been there but my forks have!
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DOH!!! I looked everywhere..EXCEPT at the bottom of the first page!

Thanks...but where the F#*k is Sand City....
right next to Monterey, about 60 miles south of San Jose.

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So what his typical turn around time
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Re: Advice for new front end work...

I tried from 110 lbs to 300 lbs and they list me with the same springs eacing or street
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So what his typical turn around time
Usually just a couple of weeks, depending on the time of year and how busy he is.
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right next to Monterey, about 60 miles south of San Jose.
Yep bout ten minutes from Laguna---everything HondaGal2 said is true--send em to Dan--youll save a ton of $$/headaches

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