Are all Dyno Tuners the same?

The Sook · 04-12-2005, 1:31 AM

This is a transcript of an email that went back and forth between me and a guy from a rival dyno tuning centre. haha Enjoy

To: doinbikes@bigpond.com
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:35 PM
Subject: custom maps

hi my name is %&** i am a teck at a kawasaki dealer and we reasently got a dyno at the shop i personaly own a 2004 zx6RRm1 and have put a akropovic slip on exhaust system an a k&n filter on it and i am haveing a little trouble with the maping and was wondering if you could help our maybe knew of any custom maps hope you can help thanks for your time.

Reply: If you have a dyno why would you want a map from me? Once you put a map from another bike on yours, it ain't custom anymore. What problems are you having?

To: doinbikes@bigpond.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: custom maps

well when i went to mmi i was tought how to run the bikes on the dyno but im not the best at remapping them yet im getting better but i just wanted to no if maybe you had a map with those specs that i could install to my bike for now then later i can custom map it .It would be a real big help if you did.the map that im runing now seems to make the same amount of horse power as stock an its runing a bit rich it also has a lean misfire on d cell thank you for your time.

My reply and remember, this is my competition, I don't think I should be HELPING them at all, but anyway:

Have you blocked off the "pair" system hose? I haven't done a ZX6 with an akra slip on

To: doinbikes@bigpond.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: custom maps

but thats just an emmision thing to put fresh air in the exhaust to clean up the emissions that would have nothing to do with it

My reply: Read what you just said and then ask yourself why it may be running rich

To: doinbikes@bigpond.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: custom maps

yea thats going to lean the bike out not richin it why do i get the feeling you no **** about bikes

My reply: OK, whatever. You sort it yourself. Thanks
and lastly I get:

guess i will since your of no help what so ever

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha I only wish I could be there when someone tells him what a dickhead he is. I was gonna go nuts in an email to reply, but I'd rather him just feel like the knob that he is in silence. It's gotta hurt.
Oh, in answer to my thread question? NO. haha

WetShrub · 04-12-2005, 1:40 AM

Took a dyno tuning class last semester by a very good tuner proven over many years around here. He was very informative and in 15 weeks we barely scratched the surface of what he knows. I am looking forward to the advanced tuning class if they teach one.

You are right, that dude is a tool. One of the more dull tools in the toolbox at that.

SouLJahz · 04-12-2005, 1:46 AM

hahah
Now the question is who???

The Sook · 04-12-2005, 3:51 AM

Hahaha I don't wanna say that. He didn't actually SAY where he's from, but I KNOW by the brand of bike, and who has one now etc. I DID ask a little later if it was who I thought, but no reply. I'm obviously too stupid to talk to now. haha

HondaGalToo · 04-12-2005, 6:14 AM

Yup, and folks get lured into shops like this because they have the dyno and the Tuning Link Software. The misconception is that the software practically allows the bike to tune itself. Not the case.

Jungleboy · 04-12-2005, 7:26 AM

What an idiot! I cant believe someone would be so rude after asking for your help, I guess theres going to be a lot of screwed up Kwaka's out there until word gets around

On a different note did you go to Wakefield with Roland Kruck on the weekend? Im preparing an 04 R1 for a mate (Steve Manning #34), he won 5 out of 5 races in C grade and came third overall behind Rolly and whoever was in second, in only his second race ever! He had his first race there last month and started in D grade and beat all of C grade so we convinced Keith Greentree to move him up to C, looks like they should have moved him to A but obviously thats not possible after just one race. Anyway we were absoulutely wrapped with everything! So hopefully Rolly will have a playmate next time he goes there

We might be at the St George meet at Eastern creek on the 24th as a bit of a warm up for the Formula Extreme next month, So we will have to catch up sometime if were both at the same event

abtech · 04-12-2005, 8:23 AM

Unfortunately, this sounds familiar. The problem I have run into though, is the same guy that asks you those sort of questions presents himself to his clientele as a "Dyno Expert". Until word gets around, the average rider won't know what some hack is doing to his bike.

I spend much of my time at the track "undoing" suspension work that a local race shop in the area performs for several hundred dollars rendering the bike nearly unrideable. If the owner talks the talk, many people think they can walk the walk, but it isn't always the case.

Newfie TLR · 04-12-2005, 10:02 AM

This is kind of off topic Sook, but it makes a point that one of the teachers I play golf with talks about quite a bit.

In today's "Younger" generation coming up through school and recently graduated (????), grammar and spelling is horrible. I mean, check out this guy's e-mails, ignoring the subject, and pay attention to how he typed what he was saying.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, back on topic, that guy is a freekin' Moron, with a capital "M".

I also agree with what Abtech says. Basically, IMHO, someone reads a "how-to-self-help" book and thinks he's an expert.

luvtolean · 04-12-2005, 1:38 PM

Hey, I'm a yung un and i kin spel.

sheepofblue · 04-12-2005, 1:45 PM

Let's see if I follow this:
1) His bike is not running
2) He can't fix it
3) His expert can't fix it
4) He asks for your help
5) When the help is provided he rules it incorrect and you an idiot
6) His bike is not running

yep there is an idiot here.

Newfie TLR · 04-12-2005, 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

Hey, I'm a yung un and i kin spel.

Don't think I said "ALL" LTL

Newfie TLR · 04-12-2005, 2:46 PM

Well said Sheep. Nice logical breakdown there.

The Sook · 04-12-2005, 10:25 PM

Jungle, what times was he doing? Besides, they won't grade you from races at one track. Especially to get to B and A grade. Problem is, there are heaps of guys that are fast at A track, but you movethem to another and ............ where'd they go? Haha Roly goes slow as all crap when nobody is pushing him. Dunno if I'll be able to get out to the Creek, although I want to, to see Roly on the CBR1000RR. Let you know.

I'm still giggling at this fukwit and the emails. GOOSE

Jungleboy · 04-13-2005, 2:27 AM

Yeah he was dipping into the 1:04's by the end of the day, I know its not right up there yet but he is definately knocking on the door, and his times are still comming down every session he goes out onto the track as well as it only being his second day of racing ever so Im pretty impressed. His quickest lap was actually the last lap of the last race, he still feels comfortable and we still have a fair bit more to do to the bike so things are looking pretty promising! We were really hoping to do the St George round at the Creek on the 24th to get in a little more practise for the Formula Xtreme, but he found out today that they are fully booked as I think most of the factory teams will be there Including Anthony Gobert, so he was really dissapointed when told him they had something like 45 riders booked and another two in reserve, so unless a few people pull out it looks like we will miss out which is a bummer as there isnt lot of practice time for the FX! Anyway we will just have to deal with it and see how we go?

Ive just put a bit of a profile up on my site plus a couple of pics in the gallery from wakefield (actually the first race last month) and will be adding a lot more in the near future

http://www.jungleboyracing.com/profiles.htm

Ps. Im still pretty impressed with Rolly and realise he didnt really have anyone pushing him! Him backing it into turn 1 with the tyre chirping loudly and emitting puffs of smoke lap after lap is certainly is one of the high points of my day every time I go there

What are his plans this year? are you guys putting anything together for the Aus superbikes?

RPinOZ · 04-13-2005, 3:59 AM

Aha it falls into place I think. That is Monty off Oroadsports, isn't it?

Jungleboy · 04-13-2005, 6:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RPinOZ

Aha it falls into place I think. That is Monty off Oroadsports, isn't it?

Yep thats Him!

Zeeman · 04-13-2005, 10:20 AM

I see so many "tecks" like this on my own field of work. And people look shocked when I tell them I charge $130/hr to program a top end remote. they go elsewhere, get charged $110/hr instead, then pay me a week later to fix the problem. Which basically means starting from scratch.

It's better to pay a little more to begin with to get it right, than to pay a lot more getting it fixed after paying a little less the first time.

Z...

abtech · 04-13-2005, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeeman

I see so many "tecks" like this on my own field of work. And people look shocked when I tell them I charge $130/hr to program a top end remote. they go elsewhere, get charged $110/hr instead, then pay me a week later to fix the problem. Which basically means starting from scratch.

It's better to pay a little more to begin with to get it right, than to pay a lot more getting it fixed after paying a little less the first time.

Z...

So true!

ReaperAZ · 04-13-2005, 11:49 AM

There is a shop here in town with some real "winners" working at it. They think cause they have a dyno that they are all of a sudden masters of the dyno. These guys are a joke. Like Zeeman says, I'd much rather pay more for a shop that knows what they are doing and have it done right the first time. We have some engineers here at work that just blow my mind with the stupid stuff they come up with. They think that since they have a degree and are fresh out of school that they know everything. Then you look at guys that have been here for years and have no degree and know how to do things the right way. I'll take experience over anything else.

matt232 · 04-13-2005, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeeman

I see so many "tecks" like this on my own field of work. And people look shocked when I tell them I charge $130/hr to program a top end remote. they go elsewhere, get charged $110/hr instead, then pay me a week later to fix the problem. Which basically means starting from scratch.

It's better to pay a little more to begin with to get it right, than to pay a lot more getting it fixed after paying a little less the first time.

Z...

Do it right, do it once!!! Churn is just a pain in the arse.

matt232 · 04-13-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ReaperAZ

I'll take experience over anything else.

I learnt more in 3 months at my first job than I did in 4 years of Uni.

The Sook · 04-15-2005, 3:51 AM

Nothing to do with price Zee. These guys could charge $100 more than I do, and by that theory, they're experts. haha The guy is a tool, and sooner or later people work that out. Plenty of peolple think I'm a tool, and I generally know what I'm doing with this ****. Hahaha. BUT, the funniest thing for me is, that he emailed me for the advice, Igave himthe answer without spelling out the hows/wheres and whys, and he just calls me a dickhead and leaves. Hahahaha. Even funnier still, is that he WILL find out that he just made a total arse of himself. I've done things similar myself (not asked for advice and then told them to jam it, but argued with some "expert" about something and then found out I was a dick) and that feeling is justthe worsed. Hahaha I only wish I could be there when it sinks in. lol

The Sook · 04-15-2005, 4:01 AM

Oh, and JB, another funny story, same lines from Wakefield. Some guy that ITHINK was finishing 2nd? maybe not, coz I think Jai Curtis did, and he was pissed off too that he couldn't keep up with Roly on Jai's GSXR andRoly's CBR1K. haha, but anyway, there was another guy down there, with a CBR1K, that had an engine built by Hunwick in Melbourne (or Hallam, whoever is the "genius") and was running elf (I've yet to see Elf give h.p) etc etc, and Roly was smoking him. Roly's bike is no ****, STOCK. ONLY has an Arata system, PC mapped and suspension, that's IT. The guys dad comes over to Roly and asks what he has had done, and Roly told him. The kid comes over later after the dad told Roly their bike was stock too (riiiiiiiiiight, isn't everyone's? haha) and tells Roly about the major engine work, the Ohlins suspension, etc etc, and how the hell is Roly smoking him. Roly said his bike was fast, but about the same as his down the shute. ANYWAY, Roly tells the guy, "Take your bike to Trev (me) get it mapped with a PC (don't know if or what they were using ) coz your bike is popping and backfiring I can hear it" etc etc etc............................. The guy asked what Roly had done to his and Roly told him. They guy and his dad said "bullshit................. besides, we'll stick with the people we're using, they know their ****". Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Obviously. Butthey came over, same as the guy that emailed me, and asked what they wanted to know, Roly told them, and they dismiss it as crap and go back to what they weren't happy with. Hahahaha
Guys in Oz (dunno about the U.S or U.K) spend way too much time and money on stupid **** that 10 different people tell them , but they're ten different things. "Spit on your fuel tank 5 times before you go out, it's good for a sec/lap" ............ "Run a XYZ pipe, coz they are the best" and blah blah blah............ "Powercommanders aren't as good as these things, so take it there and not here" They endup spending shitloads of money to get BEHIND where they should/could be if they applied the KISS principal. If Roly can spank you with a stock CBR1000RR, a full system and a pc mapped, then you don't need anything fancier than that, or 15 more h.p, until you can at least keep up with him, true? Hahaha Anyway, I'll shutup now. Home time. ha

Scout · 04-15-2005, 4:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Sook

...the KISS principal. If Roly can spank you with a stock CBR1000RR, a full system and a pc mapped, then you don't need anything fancier than that, or 15 more h.p, until you can at least keep up with him, true?

True words of wisdom, Nice.

matt232 · 04-15-2005, 5:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Sook

They guy and his dad said "bullshit................. besides, we'll stick with the people we're using, they know their ****". Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Obviously. Butthey came over, same as the guy that emailed me, and asked what they wanted to know, Roly told them, and they dismiss it as crap and go back to what they weren't happy with. Hahahaha

Perfect example of a Non sequitur

Jungleboy · 04-15-2005, 5:25 AM

Yeah I saw that CBR it almost looked like a factory honda, when they were unloading we were thinking they might be a bit of a threat, but like they say you cant judge a book buy its cover! Actually there was a local copper there with his radar and He clocked Steve's 04 R1 and Rolly's CBR as the fastest at 224, I was supprised they werent faster than that but I guess its a pretty short strait. At the moment Steve's bike just has the Termignoni slipon's, Y pipe and graves velocity stack