[The Sook]

Just did our first 05 GSXR1000. Not a bad gain with the muffler (Yosh) and mapping, but check out the h.p figure of the bike stock............ Now, if you consider that the Blade runs between 148-152h.p on my dyno, then we're not as "out of the ballpark" as many would have us think. Enjoy.

[TAZ]

What's impressive is how smooth both curves are, and how flat the torque curve is. Very nice.

...and ~160 hp at the wheel with just a muffler and mapping be none too shabby.

[phobiaphobe]

No The Sook, you're wrong. THe 1000rr is gutless and overweight and slow. Anyone who's read a magazine knows that the gixxer is WAY more powerfuller and is the greatest motorcycle ever and its looks grow on you and is the best at wheeliing.

[bwhip]

HP may be similar, but there's no question that the '06 Blade better have gone on quite a diet.

[phobiaphobe]

It could stand to lose a few pounds, but the way I see it, the extra poundage is a result of a burly frame, swingarm, damper, and to some extent, the underseat exhaust. I think performance-wise, 20 pounds only really matters on paper.

For 06 I would predict a 9-10 pound weight loss, 6-7 hp gain. There's so much tuning potential with that motor, they really only need slightly more aggressive cams and a couple of points more compression to be on par with the Suzuki.

[SpookyjacK]

But the real question is that, does anyone make a "shitty" motorcycle any more sure when it comes to racing a few more horses and pounds make a difference but in the real world a few pounds and 1 or 2 horses seems your just splitting hairs. And in my experience I found the guys who want to argue a few hp or pounds are usually bench racers , squids or stunters me I'm none of the above I'm just an avid rider who knows they are all good these days I've been riding for 28 years and boy I've seen some shitty bikes "yamaha 550 Vision" talk about a lump but seriously they're all pretty close so it boils down to brand loyalty and colour so what are you waiting for go riding!!!!!!!

[RRWANTR]

You all have it wrong. The R1 is the all powerful bike to be knelt before.

[The Sook]

Yeah, don't matter a damn if you can't ride for ****. haha But out of interest, I'll post a graph later of each model bike stock, that I've done here. Pretty interesting.

[EDDIE110171]

Originally Posted by The Sook

Yeah, don't matter a damn if you can't ride for ****. haha But out of interest, I'll post a graph later of each model bike stock, that I've done here. Pretty interesting.

Sounds like good info.

[JakeT]

post them up.

by the way. 20pounds is massive. maybe not to acceleration because weight can help to keep the front down. But every pound has to be braked, turned, accelerated. all that weight turns to heat when the bike changes directions/velocity. this heats up the tires and suspension.

I have 10 pound stunt cage for 954 and when that is on, it totally destroys the bikes suspension and handling. It feels heavy sob with that.

I think stock 954 is little overweight still. It needs to be 10-20 pounds lighter, then it would be good. So 1000RR should be 40lbs lighter.

Amazing thing about that K5 graph is the fact that the power is not made with revs. It actually reaches top power at 11000-11500. then it just overrevs and the power drops. Very nice. Torgue is amazingly linear. that is one healthy engine

JT

[warthog]

Originally Posted by SpookyjacK

But the real question is that, does anyone make a "shitty" motorcycle any more sure when it comes to racing a few more horses and pounds make a difference but in the real world a few pounds and 1 or 2 horses seems your just splitting hairs. And in my experience I found the guys who want to argue a few hp or pounds are usually bench racers , squids or stunters me I'm none of the above I'm just an avid rider who knows they are all good these days I've been riding for 28 years and boy I've seen some shitty bikes "yamaha 550 Vision" talk about a lump but seriously they're all pretty close so it boils down to brand loyalty and colour so what are you waiting for go riding!!!!!!!

Just saw this year's Masterbike (ok I know, there goes this post already) results. The difference in times in best laps for the 5 litre bikes on test was just over 1.1 second - this where the best lap was something like 1:43 or so. So we're looking at 1% difference from the fastest on test (ZX10r) to slowest (CBR1000RR). A second a lap is pretty major if youre seriously racing ,but for myself and I suspect the vast majority of riders out there its a pretty minor difference. I wish I could get my riding to a level where the bike was a significant issue - rather than looking at more track schools and a decent diet being the most major areas for improvement......

[FuTAnT]

Just for reference, the CBR1000RR is a full 26 pounds heavier than the ZX10R when weighed with a full tank of fuel. Both 17L tanks.

[MrFurious]

Originally Posted by SpookyjacK

But the real question is that, does anyone make a "shitty" motorcycle any more sure when it comes to racing a few more horses and pounds make a difference but in the real world a few pounds and 1 or 2 horses seems your just splitting hairs.

Or a few extra pounds may keep the bike from folding and twisting like a tin can when you go down. Actually I thought highly of the GSXR build quality untill I saw THIS (Kawasaki's was the main one I thought was lacking the past few years, but did improve some in 05') . Ever sense I saw the 05' CBR1000RR up close, it has been my pick for this year. Lightening the bike probably isnt too difficult, neather would be getting it a few extra HPs.

[FuTAnT]

There's now three reports of Gixxar 1thou K5 models snapping.

[MrFurious]

[Purpdust]

Originally Posted by FuTAnT

There's now three reports of Gixxar 1thou K5 models snapping.

From what I know about physics allt he bike out there will "snap" when they hit staionary objects while doing 100mph.

As far as weight - It always cracks me up when so many people are worried about the weight of the 1000rr when most of use do not know how to use the bike to start with and we could lose a few pounds are selves. It is much cheaper to go and a diet.

[SpookyjacK]

Originally Posted by Purpdust

From what I know about physics allt he bike out there will "snap" when they hit staionary objects while doing 100mph.

As far as weight - It always cracks me up when so many people are worried about the weight of the 1000rr when most of use do not know how to use the bike to start with and we could lose a few pounds are selves. It is much cheaper to go and a diet.

Amen to that, I was diagnosed with diabetes 3 years ago, the doctor says you have to get into shape or you will die!! So I do, I start running and lifting weights again and I'm now down to a comfortable 170lbs. down from 202lbs. and guess what my 929 feels like a raped ape on the juice, turns faster and accelerates faster as well or so it feels I'm in better shape than in my 20's and I'll be around alot longer for my kids bike feels faster guess it is easier to diet than finding horsepower or lightening the bike.

[CBR929RE]

well I personally can't afford to lose even a pound of 2 (I need to add some but eating like a fat man just doesn't do anything to my weight). From just sitting on the 1000RR (I've never ridden one) I'd say it could lose a few more pounds, or atleast get them lower. Its a little hard for a short extremely light person such as myself to tip the bike up off the stand. And you can be damned sure if it ever tried to fall over there's no chance of me saving it.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by Purpdust

From what I know about physics allt he bike out there will "snap" when they hit staionary objects while doing 100mph.

As far as weight - It always cracks me up when so many people are worried about the weight of the 1000rr when most of use do not know how to use the bike to start with and we could lose a few pounds are selves. It is much cheaper to go and a diet.

Yep I recently lightened the 1000RR and RC by 12lbs. Plus the reduced wool should reduce drag also

[FuTAnT]

Originally Posted by Purpdust

From what I know about physics allt he bike out there will "snap" when they hit staionary objects while doing 100mph.

As far as weight - It always cracks me up when so many people are worried about the weight of the 1000rr when most of use do not know how to use the bike to start with and we could lose a few pounds are selves. It is much cheaper to go and a diet.

Yes, I'm sure alot of bikes will snap if hit hard enough. The point of the gixxar crashes is that they either snapped *before* crashing, or snapped during the crash. It's quite simply a rather weak point in their design. There's been plenty of other bikes crash and go down the road, and yeah, they've snapped if it's been bad enough, but the K5 seems like it has a definate week point in the welded sections up near the cam covers.

And as far as weight goes, I don't really care that much, except that you would atleast think that it would be a little closer to the other bikes. Plus the marketing spiel they put on it to say how light it is, pure shite.

[The Sook]

This maybe why they are stopping the 05 model production and starting 06 so early too. I've heard of this frame thing somewhere else as well.
As for masterbike, big deal, magazines are tools to sell ****, that is all. If Kawasaki has looked after the people involvedmore than the others, guess who's gonna get the vote? Also, one of the riders said he would pick the CBR over the lot, and for 90% of us guys, that can't ride for **** compared to the real fast guys, the bike that's the easiest to ride is gonna be the bike you are faster on, and that without a doubt would be the CBR. Anyway, I fukt the graphs up (naming them) and you couldn't tell which one was which, so I gotta do it again. Will be up today.

[Getsome]

As stated time and time again, HP and weight have very little to do with how well most of our bikes perform on the street. The riders are the deciding factor. I have gone out to our local riding haven The Playground ( www.motorcycleplayground.com ) ( www.shadyvalleycountrystore.com ) and just this last couple of weeks gotten back to riding somewhat like I used to since my wreck in Feb. It proves to me each time I go out there that it doesn't matter what you ride in the last few years of 600's or literbikes but how well you can ride. You may leave a person behind in a straighth because you have more power but the better rider passes you int he turns if he is better.

I have passed and been passed by ( as i am sure most of us have, because there is always someone better) all sorts of sportbikes. People who are hung up by a few horsepower or a few pounds have a lot to learn. Yes a few pounds off of the 1krr would be nice but it won't make a whole lot of difference on the street.

The 05 Blade that I own is the perfect bike for me and my riding preference. I love the HESD, the power, the handling and everhything else about this motorcycle.

I have ridden a new R1, Hayabusa, and am waiting to find a gsxr1k to try out but I am betting I won't like it as much as my Blade. The only way you can really make a judgement is if you have ridden them and have the skill to have really used them..

[luvtolean]

Don't kid yourselves...the K5 is a better racebike than the 1000RR.

[davef]

Bah...my old F3 will spank that gutless slug

[jaim]

I think WSB and AMA superbike have proven that the Suzuki GSXR1000 is the top race bike this year. I just wonder why Kawasaki's 10R isn't up there with it?

[FuTAnT]

I'm sure it's got the potential, but very minor differences at that level of racing can make the difference. It's set some lap records here on Australia recently, but didn't win the races.