[MSGT-R]

Then a law needs to be implimented that won't let you purchase a car unless you have a license and insurance to drive it. That would solve the problem.

Driving is a priviledge, not a right in any state. It can be granted, and it can be taken away.

[Cornfedwhitey]

Originally Posted by MSGT-R

Then a law needs to be implimented that won't let you purchase a car unless you have a license and insurance to drive it. That would solve the problem.

Driving is a priviledge, not a right in any state. It can be granted, and it can be taken away.

Agreed.

You have to have a licence and insurance in order to finance one, it should be the same for private sale.

[MSGT-R]

That was pushed by the financial institutions to protect their investment. It can also be pushed to be an "across the board" law. It could be made a part of the registration process, or as a responsibility of the seller with penalities for violations.

All it takes is a petition - a large one.

As far as the registered cars in your yard goes, the city gets a "cut" of the registration fees from the state, so they send Code Enforcement out to look at tags, during the day when everyone's gone to work.
Here, they are not satisfied with a Non-Op certificate unless its in the garage or in a fenced back yard under a cover (out of sight). If its accessable from the street (in the driveway), their gonna give you a warning notice.

[abtech]

Originally Posted by MSGT-R

That was pushed by the financial institutions to protect their investment. It can also be pushed to be an "across the board" law. It could be made a part of the registration process, or as a responsibility of the seller with penalities for violations.

All it takes is a petition - a large one.

As far as the registered cars in your yard goes, the city gets a "cut" of the registration fees from the state, so they send Code Enforcement out to look at tags, during the day when everyone's gone to work.
Here, they are not satisfied with a Non-Op certificate unless its in the garage or in a fenced back yard under a cover (out of sight). If its accessable from the street (in the driveway), their gonna give you a warning notice.

Maybe they need to cruise past a NASCAR team garage and start towing all the non-licensed hardware parked alongside the building.

That would fly right? I don't think you will find many race vehicles with tags or conventional insurance . . .

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Cornfedwhitey

Laws are not made for no reason. Just because you or your friend or family doesnt agree with them doesnt mean that their is not a darn good reason for them.

If you feel differently, write your congressman or run for Mayor.

In my state, and my city, I have none of your issues.

To you illegals are a minor issue? Are you hispanic?.. I'm taking a wild guess/ shot in the dark here.
In AZ its a HUGE deal. not minor.

What the hell does the color of my skin have to do with anything? Does my color make my opinion for naught? Sure, I'm Mexican. How's that? Maybe now you'll feel better about dismissing my opinions?




Sorry, I lied.

Race has nothing to do with this issue. The news article may have made it look like a race issue hoping to turn community opinion over it into one, so people like yourself, get behind it "to fight all dem Hispanics ruinin' mah city". Meanwhile, you've now become a law breaker.

YOU should hate this law. Race hasn't a damn thing to do with it. If what you are telling me is true, your city and/or state has the right to come take away your legally owned property (the truck) sitting next to your house. You should be mad as hell about this. At the government. The fact illegals are on TV spewing anything shouldn't matter a damn to you.

And as far as who cares? I do.. When Juan or Pablo hits me in his 85 un insured Thunderbird I care .. I care when my rates go up because of it, or my medical insurance has to pay for it. Yes, I care.

Fine. Then you get behind things that impact illegals. Not behind a rule that effects many people, such as yourself, in a very negative way.

Don't let yourself become a media pawn...

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by abtech

Maybe they need to cruise past a NASCAR team garage and start towing all the non-licensed hardware parked alongside the building.

That would fly right? I don't think you will find many race vehicles with tags or conventional insurance . . .

Or 4x4 shop, any chopper shop, any restoration shop, any customization shop...hell, they should just use the Discovery channel to go find all those law breakers!

[nedro]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Or 4x4 shop, any chopper shop, any restoration shop, any customization shop...hell, they should just use the Discovery channel to go find all those law breakers!

I'd like to know how those choppers even get registered in the first place. They barely run and are a death trap as far as safety goes. The most engineering that goes into one of those frames is when Jethro looks over at Billy Bob to ask, "How's this look, Clem?"

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by MSGT-R

Then a law needs to be implimented that won't let you purchase a car unless you have a license and insurance to drive it. That would solve the problem.

Driving is a priviledge, not a right in any state. It can be granted, and it can be taken away.

You need to go re-read this.

Driving is a privelage.

Buying property legally is a RIGHT.

It is OK for the state to take away your license and thus, driving privelages.

It is NOT OK for them to steal your legally owned property.

I bought my first car when I was 14. I had no license, no insurance. I bought it so I could get the restoration done by the time I could drive it.

When I was 16, I took the tests, and was given the right to drive. After this, I drove my car for the first time.

The argument owning an unlicensed car is to commit a crime is like saying someone buys a high powered sportbike to break the laws.

The state should have to catch you breaking the laws, not strike pre-emptively because you might use your property to break a law.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by nedro

I'd like to know how those choppers even get registered in the first place. They barely run and are a death trap as far as safety goes. The most engineering that goes into one of those frames is when Jethro looks over at Billy Bob to ask, "How's this look, Clem?"

That's a good question...

[QuikMike]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

In my state, and my city, I have none of your issues.



What the hell does the color of my skin have to do with anything? Does my color make my opinion for naught? Sure, I'm Mexican. How's that? Maybe now you'll feel better about dismissing my opinions?




Sorry, I lied.

Race has nothing to do with this issue. The news article may have made it look like a race issue hoping to turn community opinion over it into one, so people like yourself, get behind it "to fight all dem Hispanics ruinin' mah city". Meanwhile, you've now become a law breaker.

YOU should hate this law. Race hasn't a damn thing to do with it. If what you are telling me is true, your city and/or state has the right to come take away your legally owned property (the truck) sitting next to your house. You should be mad as hell about this. At the government. The fact illegals are on TV spewing anything shouldn't matter a damn to you.




Fine. Then you get behind things that impact illegals. Not behind a rule that effects many people, such as yourself, in a very negative way.

Don't let yourself become a media pawn...

Amen, brotha!!!

[Cornfedwhitey]

I personally don't care what color you are, as formentioned in my 1st post. I am not racist, I hate every color equally! Joke for those with no sense of humor.. You just seemed to take things personally about the illegal matters and sounded like you may be hispanic, is that bad or does that change you're opinion? Nope.. Saying that illegals are not a issue. LOL RIGHT!! You're in so cal , correct?? Again, I could care less what color or race or height you are

I think this whole thing is taking a turn off the original meaning...

When I heard the news program it mentioned that there is a new law stating that unlicenced, un insured cars are being impounded. Okay, cool.. If its a pile of a car sitting on the side of the road, or a house and its not licenced, or the owner ( being white, black, mexican whatever) does not have current insurance or a licence then they are impounding it. My original point was why were the illegals taking this personally like a strike against them? Well, its because they are statisticlly more likely to drive un insured, illegal cars! Well, they take it personally, great, then go home!!

The only thing that upsets me about this is that illegal people drive around illegally and when they are in accidents really cannot be held accountable..

If you want to go off on a tagent on what I should be upset about , be my guest. This law doesnt effect me in a negative way. My trucks out back and all my other cars are licenced and insured.

I just LOL when I saw 17 mexicans crying their eyes out as if they are being "cheated" by this law , when they dont even abide by it in the 1st place.

[Cornfedwhitey]

Originally Posted by SPY

Wow License2ill no need to attack... He has an American right to own said car in his garage restored or in pieces. It is his car in his garage in his home that he obviously owns because of his reference to HOA fees. If he wants to spend his hard earned money on a car then guess what? He can without worrying about someone starving somewhere. If you want to worry about all the poor people in this world or even this country... then all that money you are spending on Internet connection could ALSO go a long way to feeding someone!

No back to the Subject about illegals...

As a Arizona resident as well, (and closer to the border) It is very frustrating to constantly be worrying about being hit by an uninsured, unlicensed, illegal alien. I am so sick of hearing about thier rights, or about spending govt. money by putting watering stations out in the desert for these people. I think every where there is a watering station should also be a f**king Border Patrol Guard shack with 24 hour coverage. I want to move back east just because of the illegal immigration problem.

If they come into OUR country legally, then Fine whatever, but just because they step foot on our soil gives them no right to our "rights as AMERICAN citizens"

I see Protests all the time about this in the streets of Tucson, about how Mexico is so great and we suck... THEN GO BACK TO MEXICO! If they would fight half as hard at making Mexico better, as they do coming and trying to stay here, Mexico would be a lot better place to live.

A couple months ago all the mexican population here in Tucson, (and probably elsewhere) closed down their businesses or did not show up to work one day to protest and show how much they affected our everyday life and how much they contributed to our society. Well Nothing was different, Our life as we know it did not come to a screeching halt, the economy did not collapse around us, nothing. All that happened was I did not eat Losbetos that day


Sorry for the rant Cornfed but I feel your pain brother!

Wow. lol

[abtech]

Originally Posted by CornfedWhitey

The only thing that upsets me about this is that illegal people drive around illegally and when they are in accidents really cannot be held accountable..

You need to change the words "cannot be" to "are not". They can be arrested, just like any other felon, but unless you become a thorn in the side of the local constabulary, they will likely be dismissed as a statistic and you will be told that you are wasting your time.

Try prosecuting a bad check in Michigan sometime. The law states that intentionally writing a bad check or not covering the funds within a reasonable amount of time (14 days according to the statute) on a check for over 300.00 is a felony punishable by up to 3 years in jail.

I could wallpaper my office with bad checks in excess of $5K each and the City/Township/Distict Attorney just laughs at you if you demand that they enforce the law. Best case is they send a boilerplate warning letter to the writer (you need to pay them $15.00 for the effort). These warning letters are summarily dismissed by the asshats that write the checks in the first place . . .

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by abtech

You need to change the words "cannot be" to "are not". They can be arrested, just like any other felon, but unless you become a thorn in the side of the local constabulary, they will likely be dismissed as a statistic and you will be told that you are wasting your time.

Try prosocuting a bad check in Michigan sometime. The law states that intentionally writing a bad check or not covering the funds within a reasonable amount of time (14 days according to the statute) on a check for over 300.00 is a felony punishable by up to 3 years in jail.

I could wallpaper my office with bad checks in excess of $5K each and the City/Township/Distict Attorney just laughs at you if you demand that they enforce the law. Best case is they send a boilerplate warning letter to the writer (you need to pay them $15.00 for the effort). These warning letters are summarily dismissed by the asshats that write the checks in the first place . . .

In Huntspatch the DA goes on collecting sprees periodically. Also the Army is REAL good about getting you paid if you have a SSN. Sounds like you need to do some letter writing and campaigning against the lazy DA there come season

[abtech]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

In Huntspatch the DA goes on collecting sprees periodically. Also the Army is REAL good about getting you paid if you have a SSN. Sounds like you need to do some letter writing and campaigning against the lazy DA there come season

Lazy DAs as in all of them. Bad checks (even those for 100K+) are ALWAYS referred to civil action in Michigan these days. Unless the writer also shoots you in the kneecap at the same time, they aren't interested.

It is probably due to the multi billion dollar plus yearly collection business in Michigan and the effective lobby they have in Lansing. It is easier to get someone's wages garnished than getting a drivers license in this state. Unfortunately, the thieves that write us bad checks are rarely employees with garnishable wages (they are usually the owners or presidents or controllers).

[luvtolean]

Wow.

The DA in one of the towns I lived in prosecuted bad checks for a couple of dollars vigorously.

You did not think about floating a check in that town, much less writing a truly bad one.

[navydevildoc]

Regarding seizure of property located on private real estate, they can do it in San Diego too. It's known informally as the "White Trash Law". It states that any vehicles visible from the public street must be legal for operation on public roads. If not, they serve you with a notice, and if you don't get rid of it, it gets towed. Off of your property.

How do I know? Happened to one of my roommates while he was living here. Got an itch up his ass to refurb a VW Bug. He stripped it, then lost interest. So, the cops came a month or so later to let us know to get rid of it, or they would take care of it themselves.

We looked the laws up, and it clearly states that in the SD Municipal code. I am assuming that the people that have junkers in their driveways don't know the law, or can't afford a lawyer to fight it.

[MSGT-R]

I agree.
My Mom (who lives in Riverside County) was given a warning about the two cars (with non-ops) in her driveway, even though they were complete, running, clean and covered. We sold the Mach-1 and keep the registration current on the 63 Pontiac now, just to keep the city away.

As far as wanting a law for being licensed to purchase a vehicle:
Anyone who is convited of DUI and has their car impounded can (and often does) turn around and purchase another soon after exiting jail. Anyone who has their license suspended for excessive moving violations can do the same. Orange County is not as bad on this as is other areas of California, just come on out to Riverside sometime and you can loose count on the expired tags running the streets along side of you! God forbid if you're ever hit by one.

If you're 14 and buying a first project, I'm sure your parents are licensed for the purchase...