STEALING BIKES AT GUNPOINT!!!!

VFReee · 09-19-2006, 3:48 PM

What they do is stop real abruptly in front of the bike, the passenger gets out of the car with a gun and demands the bike. I thinks its happened about five times so far, around the Quick Trip on Mt. Zion in Clayton County, Georgia but it could happen anywhere. Just be careful and keep your guard up more than usual.

Eddie

qoelet · 09-19-2006, 4:13 PM

It's actually quite common here in Brazil. Much more that regular theft. It kind of makes sense, why would the scum get through all the trouble of circunventing security measures like chains and locks when you can get it with the key on, up and running?

It seems to be making its way up though. Sad thing.

LITEITUP · 09-23-2006, 10:55 AM

That brings up a good question. For those of you who live in big city areas do you or have you carried your gun with you on the bike? For reasons like this or otherwise?

JBAXX · 09-23-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LITEITUP

That brings up a good question. For those of you who live in big city areas do you or have you carried your gun with you on the bike? For reasons like this or otherwise?

Not worth getting killed over. You'd get shot for sure.

LITEITUP · 09-23-2006, 11:32 AM

Well thats kinda my point shoot before you get shot.

9two9rider · 09-23-2006, 12:23 PM

Certain states permit the use of deadly force in the prevention of a forcible felony such as a car jacking (motorcycle jacking in this case). Depending on how many they are, how many weapons they have, should help you decide whether or not to shoot them. Where I'm at, there aren't many carjackings, due to a new law not only enabling you to use deadly force, but the new law virtually guarantees no retribution from the state for using your weapon.

Getsome · 09-23-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LITEITUP

That brings up a good question. For those of you who live in big city areas do you or have you carried your gun with you on the bike? For reasons like this or otherwise?

Of course...

phobiaphobe · 09-23-2006, 1:03 PM

By the time you've stopped and got it in neutral that ****er's got a gun in your face. Are you really gonna fumble around with your gloved hand for a gun? If the dude's serious you're dead before you've even got your finger on the trigger. Unless you're Wild Bill Hickock or something.

Keep cool, take a good mental picture of the guy's car and face, and call the police and insurance company. I love my motorcycle but I won't take a bullet for it.

luvtolean · 09-23-2006, 1:57 PM

BDA116 · 09-23-2006, 2:11 PM

Of course, he has to put the gun down to grab the bars to ride away.

luvtolean · 09-23-2006, 2:14 PM

Of course you wouldn't in that case...but you'd sure want to.

phobiaphobe · 09-23-2006, 3:19 PM

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^^

I guess I was wrong. A badass gangsta like yourself would probably bust a cap in his ass.

Mojave954 · 09-23-2006, 3:26 PM

Give them the bike. Can always get a new one. Kinda hard to stop this kinda crime. Usually doesn't stop until one othe assailants gets killed and makes it non-profitable. Just like the car jacking craze until about 4 of them got shot-dead did it really come to an end.

luvtolean · 09-23-2006, 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

I guess I was wrong. A badass gangsta like yourself would probably bust a cap in his ass.

You're wrong because of your assumptions.

There are so many scenarios where having a gun in a bike-jacking would be handy.

What if you're at a gas station? Gloves off, you're off the bike, etc etc.

The assumtion that handing the keys over means he's just going to hop on your bike and cruise away without assaulting you further is lame at best. If the criminal decides to shoot you anyway, why leave a witness, being in a gunfight instead of an execution is a much better option.

You are being assaulted with a deadly weapon by a criminal, this is a life threatening, unpredictable situation. This is exactly why laws allowing the carry of guns are permitted.

I personally couldn't care less about the bike, AFAIAC it's gone. **** it, I have insurance. But I do care about my ass being assaulted...

phobiaphobe · 09-23-2006, 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

You're wrong because of your assumptions.

There are so many scenarios where having a gun in a bike-jacking would be handy.

What if you're at a gas station? Gloves off, you're off the bike, etc etc.

The assumtion that handing the keys over means he's just going to hop on your bike and cruise away without assaulting you further is lame at best. If the criminal decides to shoot you anyway, why leave a witness, being in a gunfight instead of an execution is a much better option.

You are being assaulted with a deadly weapon by a criminal, this is a life threatening, unpredictable situation. This is exactly why laws allowing the carry of guns are permitted.

I personally couldn't care less about the bike, AFAIAC it's gone. **** it, I have insurance. But I do care about my ass being assaulted...

Slow down. My only assumption is that criminals, by nature, are cowardly and lazy. If they weren't cowardly they would go to school, work hard and make their living legitimately. The last thing a petty thief wants to do is murder someone in cold blood.

The only advantage I can see to having the gun would be as a deterrent to getting jacked in the first place. But that's only valid if it's worn outside your leathers in full view, assuming you had the permit to do that type of thing.

Repeater · 09-23-2006, 4:55 PM

If your gun is in full view you might just get jacked for the gun.

I think it is just about impossible to get a concel carry license in la or for that matter califonia. sucks only gangstas have the guns and they could care less about going to jail.

luvtolean · 09-23-2006, 5:48 PM

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The last thing a petty thief wants to do is murder someone in cold blood.

Jacking a motorcyclist at gunpoint is NOT petty theft. It is the comission of at least two felonies. If the gun is illegal, it hits 3. In a place like Cali with "3 strike laws" (3 felony convictions trigger automatic long prison terms) getting caught for that carjacking can equal decades in the clink. The lazy way out is to kill the witness.

Happily Repeater, you are wrong.

Many counties in Cali it's actually pretty easy. LA is pretty tough, but not impossible like SF. The OC it's actually supposed to be almost shall issue. Packing.org has a great chart of CA showing the counties by color code for ease of getting it, and has specific county forums helping people get them. (their site seems to be down right now or I'd link you)

In Cali CCWs are up to the discretion of the elected Sheriff, something to remember around voting time. Part of the OC sheriff's platform was streamlining the process and allowing more law abiders to get them.

doct0rxnick · 09-23-2006, 7:31 PM

if i was rollin' an mv f4, i'd probably carry a fackin' .45 and murder any fool tryin' ta take it.

gangsta off/

I've considered getting a concealed handgun license (i'm from texas) because I go to school in a really rough area. There's lots of crimes and people getting held up around here. It's like a 30k/year school in one of the poorest areas of texas, so all these naive kids walking around with Daddy's credit cards are free game for hardened street thugs, or even someone with a tough attitude.

I'd particularly be interested to be carrying it when I'm riding because I've been a lot of places on Saturday nights where people are staring me down and looking over my bike. I just take the long way home and haul ass to avoid being followed.

I'm not a jumpy sort, but it seems like it'd only take once for one of these gunpoint on-road jackings before I thought "damn, I should have just gotten the weapon."

Getsome · 09-23-2006, 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

You're wrong because of your assumptions.

There are so many scenarios where having a gun in a bike-jacking would be handy.

What if you're at a gas station? Gloves off, you're off the bike, etc etc.

The assumtion that handing the keys over means he's just going to hop on your bike and cruise away without assaulting you further is lame at best. If the criminal decides to shoot you anyway, why leave a witness, being in a gunfight instead of an execution is a much better option.

You are being assaulted with a deadly weapon by a criminal, this is a life threatening, unpredictable situation. This is exactly why laws allowing the carry of guns are permitted.

I personally couldn't care less about the bike, AFAIAC it's gone. **** it, I have insurance. But I do care about my ass being assaulted...

What he said.... It's not about keeping someone from taking the bike, or my truck or car. It's about keeping myself and my family or friends that may be around at the time of any type of violent crime that would happen in my presence out of harms way...

Too often these days does some asshole walks into a mini mart in the middle of the day, pulls out a gun and robs the place with multiple customers in the place. 95% of the time they are able to walk in and walk in and out and disappear because no one in the place does anything, mostly out of fear.

It's the times when people who are not willing to put up with that **** that the ****ing criminal ends up in a body bag cause he put the wrong mother ****er in danger and they drop his ass.

Most criminals are unskilled, untrained idiots who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn from more than ten feet away. And alot of them are actually afraid to use a gun to kill someone...

If more people would step up and start dropping alot of these assholes who commit alot of the crimes across the country you would see a serious decline in violent crimes cause the criminals would be too damn afraid of getting their ass killed.

I have been in situations where a crime was "about to happen". And it's quite often that the would-be criminal alot of the time will turn tail and run if they are made to realize "accidentally on purpose" that one or more of the people in the place they are about to cause a problem in are armed and probably wouldn't hesitate to use what they have.

There are situations where it might be best to keep your weapon concealed and not bring it out. Others it may just need to be made known that you have it. And I would never wish on anyone that you would have to use it, but if it comes down to keeping myself, my family or others close to me out of harms way I don't hesitate..

phobiaphobe · 09-23-2006, 8:29 PM

Well Getsome, you're obviously highly trained in armed combat and can probably come out ahead in those situations.

To everyone else: I wish you luck.

rb1 · 09-23-2006, 9:26 PM

Let's all live in constant fear and arm ourselves to the teeth, why don't we? After all, it's not just motorcycles that are stolen at gunpoint. Even ice cream truck drivers must live in constant fear of the kids that buy their ice cream bars: Ice Cream Truck Stolen At Gunpoint

SomeStrangeGuy · 09-24-2006, 3:52 AM

Corpses have no chance of parole, I like that option.

MACI4LIFE · 09-24-2006, 3:18 PM

i think the best thing to have in these situations is the low jack or boomerang device.

I'd give them the bike, clean my drawers after having a gun being pointed at me, then call the company so they can begin the tracking.

i terms of force during the actual theft, i'd love to kick the **** outta the person especially with the smx plus boot, and carbon fiber knuckles, but it would really have to depend on the situation.

*Fastrr* · 09-24-2006, 4:32 PM

It apparently does happen, bike/car jacking by gun. In Arizona there is a relatively new law: the owner of a vehicle being car-jacked can shoot to kill if their life is being threatened. This is as far as i know ONLY an Arizona law.

On a lighter note... always leave 10-15 feet of space between your front wheel and the rear bumper of the vehicle in front of you at all traffic stops. I had a guy try to run me into oncoming traffic once when he went roadrage on me