[bigjoe87865]

hi i had a 2000 cbr 600 f4 for 5 months... and put in about 7k miles on it... i use it as a daily driver...

but i have wrecked it cause of a cage doing something stupid... it is a long story... the car who is at fault left the scene... and i hit a car... and was issued "no fault" since there was a witness...

anyways... i really dont feel like fixing it up... but rather sell it as is...
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but i dont know what to buy next... i always had my mind set on getting a liter bike in the future... but i dont know if i wanted it now....
929 , 954 or the blue yellow 06 1000rr .... till i heard that 08 will have a whole new model... have no clue what it would look like and how it would be *comfort power etc*

if it was going to be the 929 or 954 ,i would buy it out right... and the 1000rr would be financed.

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other than that...under 600 i was looking at the f4i *i had the f4* the old 600rr and kawi 636 w.e it was.. i wanted to buy it outright no finance on a 600

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now for the reasons i wanted a liter bike.... since i commute everyday... i liked the idea of having extra torque downlow... and not having to downshift on the highway.... and if i wanted some fun... i sure didnt want to wring it up.... plus... the constant high RPM on the highway... the bike just isnt cruising....

next was... once or twice a month on sundays... we do go on these back roads and let it rip.... i always felt left behind. but this isnt really a problem since i rarly like to ride like that.... but you know?
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tracking.... i havent gone to one yet... but i really do want to ... when ever i get time and money *looks to be like another 3-4 months* and i dont see my self as a regular at the track... maybe once every 2-3 months or something just because its something you have to dedicate your self for.

and in florida... there arent any twisties or anything... just straight roads and highway ramps... for some good roads you would need to ride for about 2 hours...on a long straight boring road.

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also things i am afraid of.... accidental wheelies...and loosing the rear wheel during a turn... how easy is it to do both on a liter? ...

and maintanace... and riding cost of a liter vs a 600 *tires... and stuff* and do tires last less on a liter?..... also... i was running pilot roads on my 600 cause they last longer w.o sacraficing TOO much grip.... is it safe to run non soft tires on a liter?

[analogbear]

All of the liter bikes you mention are absolutely hard core. That being said, as long as you don't ride like an idiot, take the course, etc, there should be no problem stepping up to a 1k.

Ok, so, regarding financing vs. buying a used one, I am all about brand new, because I want to in control of all miles on the bike...We have folks here who get their bikes crated, and do the assembly themselves...I am too afraid for that. I have no doubt I would have extra parts when assembly was complete, and those would look innocuous, but hold the whole thing together so...

Now, about the more specifically-focused questions, I would think if you are NOT doing twisties, and just want a fast bike, why not a 'Busa?

A liter bike will not consume tires that much faster than a 600, all other factors being equal. More Hp and higher weight do not always equate to tire wear...It is riding style, keeping up with the pressure requirements, conditions, etc...

Sure, a liter bike can wheelie, but don't turn your right wrist so fast, and you wil be fine.

If you were "feeling" behind on the occaisional back road rip, since you can't go that fast on streets anyway, it isn't the bike, but the level of skill (no offense) of the rider...I have no doubt that if I had Nicky's bike, and he had, oh, a ninja 500, he could dust me on any track with at least 1 turn on it...

So, I am not at all sure that a "liter bike" is some magic bullet for you...The new 6oo's are absolutely awsome, and fast enough for all but the most experienced and/or heavy rider...

If you are really looking for "low end" I would suggest a leftover RC-51 or a Ducati...

[dattaway]

A literbike is just a bigger hammer. It has the torque of getting hit by a freight train, which can help get you out of a bad situation or into one too. The 600 is fun as the engine spools up like a jet engine, from a gentle roll at low rpms to full delivery. The 1000 is brutally hard at any time. If you like tears yanked from your eyeballs, there might be no talking you out of it.

[fl-929]

Originally Posted by bigjoe87865

hi i had a 2000 cbr 600 f4 for 5 months... and put in about 7k miles on it... i use it as a daily driver...

but i have wrecked it cause of a cage doing something stupid... it is a long story... the car who is at fault left the scene... and i hit a car... and was issued "no fault" since there was a witness...

anyways... i really dont feel like fixing it up... but rather sell it as is...
----

but i dont know what to buy next... i always had my mind set on getting a liter bike in the future... but i dont know if i wanted it now....
929 , 954 or the blue yellow 06 1000rr .... till i heard that 08 will have a whole new model... have no clue what it would look like and how it would be *comfort power etc*

if it was going to be the 929 or 954 ,i would buy it out right... and the 1000rr would be financed.

-----

other than that...under 600 i was looking at the f4i *i had the f4* the old 600rr and kawi 636 w.e it was.. i wanted to buy it outright no finance on a 600

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now for the reasons i wanted a liter bike.... since i commute everyday... i liked the idea of having extra torque downlow... and not having to downshift on the highway.... and if i wanted some fun... i sure didnt want to wring it up.... plus... the constant high RPM on the highway... the bike just isnt cruising....

next was... once or twice a month on sundays... we do go on these back roads and let it rip.... i always felt left behind. but this isnt really a problem since i rarly like to ride like that.... but you know?
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tracking.... i havent gone to one yet... but i really do want to ... when ever i get time and money *looks to be like another 3-4 months* and i dont see my self as a regular at the track... maybe once every 2-3 months or something just because its something you have to dedicate your self for.

and in florida... there arent any twisties or anything... just straight roads and highway ramps... for some good roads you would need to ride for about 2 hours...on a long straight boring road.

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also things i am afraid of.... accidental wheelies...and loosing the rear wheel during a turn... how easy is it to do both on a liter? ...

and maintanace... and riding cost of a liter vs a 600 *tires... and stuff* and do tires last less on a liter?..... also... i was running pilot roads on my 600 cause they last longer w.o sacraficing TOO much grip.... is it safe to run non soft tires on a liter?

It's all up to your right hand. Easy on / easy off with the throttle. All the bikes are the same, it's up to you how they behave.

And stop hanging with those squids in SoFla

[bigjoe87865]

Originally Posted by fl-929

It's all up to your right hand. Easy on / easy off with the throttle. All the bikes are the same, it's up to you how they behave.

And stop hanging with those squids in SoFla

gummo??

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i limit my self to the exposure of gayness.

[bigjoe87865]

Originally Posted by analogbear

All of the liter bikes you mention are absolutely hard core. That being said, as long as you don't ride like an idiot, take the course, etc, there should be no problem stepping up to a 1k.

Ok, so, regarding financing vs. buying a used one, I am all about brand new, because I want to in control of all miles on the bike...We have folks here who get their bikes crated, and do the assembly themselves...I am too afraid for that. I have no doubt I would have extra parts when assembly was complete, and those would look innocuous, but hold the whole thing together so...

Now, about the more specifically-focused questions, I would think if you are NOT doing twisties, and just want a fast bike, why not a 'Busa?

A liter bike will not consume tires that much faster than a 600, all other factors being equal. More Hp and higher weight do not always equate to tire wear...It is riding style, keeping up with the pressure requirements, conditions, etc...

Sure, a liter bike can wheelie, but don't turn your right wrist so fast, and you wil be fine.

If you were "feeling" behind on the occaisional back road rip, since you can't go that fast on streets anyway, it isn't the bike, but the level of skill (no offense) of the rider...I have no doubt that if I had Nicky's bike, and he had, oh, a ninja 500, he could dust me on any track with at least 1 turn on it...

So, I am not at all sure that a "liter bike" is some magic bullet for you...The new 6oo's are absolutely awsome, and fast enough for all but the most experienced and/or heavy rider...

If you are really looking for "low end" I would suggest a leftover RC-51 or a Ducati...

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about liter bike being a magic bullet or not... the back roads im talking about are just long straights....barly any turns... like 21miles of nothing but a straight road in the middle of no where.... so its the faster bike that wins.... but this is really only 20% of my deciding factor... cause i only do this like twice a month... and could care less.

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i thought about busa...or one of those sport tourer... i dont know.. .i just love the sporty looks of sport bikes....

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rc51 n ducatis are more of a race bike right?...

i would be riding this everyday.... most reviews made the 1000rr a good street bike... and the same with the 9 series...

[1sterion]

I just bought a used 929 and it is a blast to ride. The tranny ratio is closer than I expected it to be though. So you might do more shifting than you think. It has enough power to keep me happy for a few years though. New is nice but if you find a good deal on a clean 929 and up I would go for it. I know I'm getting tired of financing vehicle when I can get a used next best thing for a lot less cash.

[fl-929]

Originally Posted by bigjoe87865

gummo??

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i limit my self to the exposure of gayness.

[analogbear]

Different ducatis/hondas for different purposes, but if you can see the bike on the street, it's a street bike, not a race bike. They are all way to fast, but hell, they are all also so much fun. The -51 handles great, and has lots of torque coming off the line. For me, I think the 51 has the stop-light race for the first 25 feet, then the 929 really starts to pick it up, and takes over with a near turbo-like surge of power from around 4500rpm (i have a custom map for that very purpose...Who needs top-end if you are not racing?) and so will ultimately leave the 51 behind...

[pbbreath]

Yeah the 08 1000rr will probably walk all over the 06-07's just like the 06-07s walk all over the 04-05's. However how long do you want to wait for a bike? Honda isnt like everybody else with early releases. Expect the o8 1000rr to come in around april of next year.

Im super biased to my 06 1000rr, not only did I get a super deal because the dealer was trying to get rid of old stock ($8800!) But because its just super bike. No complaints at all, good torque, smooth linear power band, corners (not that it matters to you) like a 600. And if you dont romp on it too hard gets 45mpg.

TIRES: Unless you consistantly ride like an "environmentalist" you will see tire life be significantly less than that of a 600. I went from a 94 CBR f2 and was getting about 5000 miles out of a rear tire to an 06 1krr and now Im getting 2000-2500 miles out of a rear tire. Granted I ride like smokies are on my tail non stop.

ZX14's arent that much more money however and are a good bike that keep you outa the wind and have a much more commuter friendly sitting position. I rode one the other day and was amazed at how tame the thing was (until you get it high in the rpm's) but even then it was super smooth power.

Best of luck on your decision, never can go wrong with any Honda sport bike.

[stolenF4i]

Originally Posted by analogbear

Different ducatis/hondas for different purposes, but if you can see the bike on the street, it's a street bike, not a race bike. They are all way to fast, but hell, they are all also so much fun. The -51 handles great, and has lots of torque coming off the line. For me, I think the 51 has the stop-light race for the first 25 feet, then the 929 really starts to pick it up, and takes over with a near turbo-like surge of power from around 4500rpm (i have a custom map for that very purpose...Who needs top-end if you are not racing?) and so will ultimately leave the 51 behind...

So if I don't care to go over 130 or so, go with the RC51? I would rather have the fast acceleration then to go 170+ mph and looking for input.


Also - if you are a daily commuter, and not a lot of twisties, look at the Kawa 636. Super comfortable (i have ridden 5 hours straight), and the fact that the weight is a little goofy inspiring less confidence nailing twisties then my honda did, if you are talking all straight roads you will find that you have nice power on the highway.

I did have an F4i, and found that it had pretty good power at lower rpms and was therefore a better "commuter" bike then my buddies 600rr, so i would give a vote to either the F4i or ninja if you stay in the 600cc.

If you are iffy on a literbike, why not try a GSXR 750? I would also be curious about how much you weigh. If you are smaller the liter bike would have more impact.

I was at the dealership the other day, and the new 07 600 RR's have better power throughout low rpms, so if you go new, that would be an okay option.

[stolenF4i]

Originally Posted by pbbreath

Yeah the 08 1000rr will probably walk all over the 06-07's just like the 06-07s walk all over the 04-05's. However how long do you want to wait for a bike? Honda isnt like everybody else with early releases. Expect the o8 1000rr to come in around april of next year.

Im super biased to my 06 1000rr, not only did I get a super deal because the dealer was trying to get rid of old stock ($8800!) But because its just super bike. No complaints at all, good torque, smooth linear power band, corners (not that it matters to you) like a 600. And if you dont romp on it too hard gets 45mpg.

TIRES: Unless you consistantly ride like an "environmentalist" you will see tire life be significantly less than that of a 600. I went from a 94 CBR f2 and was getting about 5000 miles out of a rear tire to an 06 1krr and now Im getting 2000-2500 miles out of a rear tire. Granted I ride like smokies are on my tail non stop.

ZX14's arent that much more money however and are a good bike that keep you outa the wind and have a much more commuter friendly sitting position. I rode one the other day and was amazed at how tame the thing was (until you get it high in the rpm's) but even then it was super smooth power.

Best of luck on your decision, never can go wrong with any Honda sport bike.

Great deal on the 1000RR. Question on the ZX14R - my fiancee and I love the look and she inherits my 636 when I get a new one. I prefer the way that the center of gravity seemed lower and cornering really stuck on my honda, and the ninja just doesn't do the same thing. Had a dealer tell me that GSXR's keep better balancing, along with hondas, and that also probably explains why the back wheel actually kicks out periodically while cornering.

It might be a suspension problem, but I hate the thoght of getting a faster bike that I don't think handles turns as well as my old honda so I am curious about the ZX14.

Has anybody else had a preference on a honda to the zx6r?

[bigjoe87865]

Originally Posted by stolenF4i

So if I don't care to go over 130 or so, go with the RC51? I would rather have the fast acceleration then to go 170+ mph and looking for input.


Also - if you are a daily commuter, and not a lot of twisties, look at the Kawa 636. Super comfortable (i have ridden 5 hours straight), and the fact that the weight is a little goofy inspiring less confidence nailing twisties then my honda did, if you are talking all straight roads you will find that you have nice power on the highway.

I did have an F4i, and found that it had pretty good power at lower rpms and was therefore a better "commuter" bike then my buddies 600rr, so i would give a vote to either the F4i or ninja if you stay in the 600cc.

If you are iffy on a literbike, why not try a GSXR 750? I would also be curious about how much you weigh. If you are smaller the liter bike would have more impact.

I was at the dealership the other day, and the new 07 600 RR's have better power throughout low rpms, so if you go new, that would be an okay option.

i weigh 190 6'2

and about the 600... i really think they are great for in town... its just when i get on the highway.. i wish i had something else... how do the f4i and 636 compare on the highway?.... and which year 636 are you talking about?

[JeepinJeff]

I've ridden the ZX-14. A buddy of mine bought one this year. I was pretty surprised about how well it handles. It doesn't feel like a big bike.

[Quick 26]

i can hook you up with a clean blue and yellow 1k with some nice goodies. the milage is a touch high but i was using it as a work commuter. oil changed every 3k after break in

[Atreyu]

I thought you decided to keep your bike, why are you trying to sell it now

[Quick 26]

i will prob buy somethin different

i will not be bikeless

[1pcbr]

I have a 929 and a zx-14. The 14 is the ticket for unbelievable torque. It's also the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden. The engine, tranny and hydraulic clutch are smooth as silk, and like someone else said, the fairing does a great job. You can't throw it around corners the same way you would a 400 lb bike, but mine handles way better than stock since adding a Pilot Power to the front The HP can get you in trouble though so you have to have self control. The 929's great too, but it's for sale now that I fell in love with the Kaw.

[GMbusa]

Go for a Busa. Me biased?, Noooooo.

[GMbusa]

Plus, you can pick an 01' -03' Busa on the cheap and probly sell it for what you paid or more in a year or two.