[rockyz1000rr]

If the manufacturer fails to make a part that is safe, your family can atleast sue them, and have a chance at making the payments for your funeral, now that you are deceased. If you make your own, don't you feel that it isn't really fair to the person(s) that your maim or kill, because you wanted to save a few bucks? I hope that you are atleast considerate enough to ride with those brakes on a private road away from the rest of the motoring public. But most of all I find it difficult to believe that you are making brakes that are better than the manufacturers who spend millions of dollars on R&D, and have years of experience. I also don't find it to be interesting that you are trying to find the destructive limits of brakes at 150MPH, because if you can't afford real brakes you surely don't own a stretch of road long enough to where you are not going to endanger other people.

[dattaway]

Originally Posted by rockyz1000rr

If the manufacturer fails to make a part that is safe, your family can atleast sue them, and have a chance at making the payments for your funeral, now that you are deceased. If you make your own, don't you feel that it isn't really fair to the person(s) that your maim or kill, because you wanted to save a few bucks? I hope that you are atleast considerate enough to ride with those brakes on a private road away from the rest of the motoring public. But most of all I find it difficult to believe that you are making brakes that are better than the manufacturers who spend millions of dollars on R&D, and have years of experience. I also don't find it to be interesting that you are trying to find the destructive limits of brakes at 150MPH, because if you can't afford real brakes you surely don't own a stretch of road long enough to where you are not going to endanger other people.

That's the usual stock collection of fear right there. Just who do you know has sued the manufacturer? Can you say this has happened in your life or affected you? Has anyone sued Honda for several bad stators in a row that they spent millions of dollars on R&D? Did I say that I tested this on a public road? Should you try this? No. You should not. Your fear might save your life. Respect it. Some others might find this information useful. I've worked with machinists for many years and spend my time improving parts that constantly fail. Sometimes I make entire shafts. If something fails to my satisfaction, I can always find some way to improve upon that. Are you suggesting that there's too much liability to try and improve upon what's available in the market place?

[MT Wallet]

Originally Posted by dattaway

That's what makes it interesting. I doubt many riders would consider trying to find the limits of their own brakes. I tried testing to the point of destruction. Try 150mph, full throttle with the brakes until they fade. Repeat. I learned about the limitations of the OEM pads and the ones I made. These were also tested in the rain, snow, and down to 0F as I ride to work every day. I like the strong braking with minimal effort, lack of chatter, or grabbing of the rotors. I feel I can make an informed opinion about what makes a good reliable brake.

That's good you were able to test the brakes you made.

I myself don't have the ability to make my own.

But if you trust yourself and have worked with the materials for a long time, anything is possible

[rockyz1000rr]

First try reading again what I wrote. I never said you did drive on public roads. Which manufacturer of which product? Google class action lawsuits and you should be able to find a few thousand past and current lawsuits for product liability. Are you so simple that you can't recollect the near demise of Firestone, how many lawsuits were spun off of their tire failures? Yes, it affected me I received cash for a set of tires, as well as several friends that owned Ford products. You are also the same guy who said to put magnetic tank bags on the plastic tank of the CBR 1000RR, and said, "Don't let anyone tell you otherwise", well I am here to tell you that magnets don't work on plastic, went down to Cycle Gear last night and they tried them all, they DONT work, just a test of your supreme knowledge and skills. Look Francis, bottom line.......my only fear is that people like you are polluting the gene pool without consequence. Wear a condom. Peace.

[dr_love]

i just read the title of this out loud and laughed. maybe its just me but i dont value my brakes a lot. homemade brakes vs. brakes engineered to perfection. i dunno?

[dattaway]

Originally Posted by rockyz1000rr

First try reading again what I wrote.

Sorry I am unable to help you.

[slickwill]

Originally Posted by rockyz1000rr

First try reading again what I wrote. I never said you did drive on public roads. Which manufacturer of which product? Google class action lawsuits and you should be able to find a few thousand past and current lawsuits for product liability. Are you so simple that you can't recollect the near demise of Firestone, how many lawsuits were spun off of their tire failures? Yes, it affected me I received cash for a set of tires, as well as several friends that owned Ford products. You are also the same guy who said to put magnetic tank bags on the plastic tank of the CBR 1000RR, and said, "Don't let anyone tell you otherwise", well I am here to tell you that magnets don't work on plastic, went down to Cycle Gear last night and they tried them all, they DONT work, just a test of your supreme knowledge and skills. Look Francis, bottom line.......my only fear is that people like you are polluting the gene pool without consequence. Wear a condom. Peace.

All those millions of dollars of R&D sure didn't get firestone anywhere did it. How do we get better products?...by someone figuring out a better way. Most great businesses started in some dudes garage because he decided he was tired of the crap that other people were making. We wouldn't get anywhere if it wasn't for people like dattaway who are willing to try something new.

If I remember right dattaway also pointed you to the exact tankbag that he used. He didn't say they would all work. He said his works.

[ratchetman]

Originally Posted by 06CBR1KMFNRR

I will restate my position that there is nothing magical taking place at the factories that produce these pads. If you think there is, you're sadly mistaken.

Many people who know shi* about bikes make the same argument about every level of maintenance that takes place on this bike. I'm sure you've heard someone say that they're bike is too important to them and there's too much at risk, so they're going to let the dealer do the work. Those of us who know better know that this false sense of comfort is based on misplaced faith in dealership mechanics. Is it so hard to believe that the same logic applies to the people that assemble your brake pads? Who do you think these companies have working in their facilities? How much do you think they get paid?

Exacly

Originally Posted by rockyz1000rr

But most of all I find it difficult to believe that you are making brakes that are better than the manufacturers who spend millions of dollars on R&D, and have years of experience.

Do you think they spend millions to make brakes safer or better? Just goes to show how brainwashed you are. I'll let you in a secret, they spend millions on development to improve profits!

Originally Posted by dr_love

i just read the title of this out loud and laughed. maybe its just me but i dont value my brakes a lot. homemade brakes vs. brakes engineered to perfection. i dunno?

engineered to perfection. Thats a good one. My brother in law works at a brake pad factory. They are engineered for maximum profit. There is no legislated standard to which they are held. Therefore no accountability. Yes they could be sued, but you don't need much quality in order to avoid that. They have pads that fall apart in the factory all the time.

Originally Posted by slickwill

All those millions of dollars of R&D sure didn't get firestone anywhere did it. How do we get better products?...by someone figuring out a better way. Most great businesses started in some dudes garage because he decided he was tired of the crap that other people were making. We wouldn't get anywhere if it wasn't for people like dattaway who are willing to try something new.

This may be a good business opportunity unless there's asbestos in the material or some other toxin that causes a problem with commercialization

[Fastrr]

You probably don't have a hydraulic press or similar to what brake pad mfg's are using to compress the materials enough. Ask Dattaway if he still runs his own homemade brake pads. Some things you just shouldn't make. imo.

Besides all this the pad mfg's have tens of years or more of experience and scientific testing than you have at your disposal.

[dattaway]

Originally Posted by Fastrr

You probably don't have a hydraulic press or similar to what brake pad mfg's are using to compress the materials enough. Ask Dattaway if he still runs his own homemade brake pads. Some things you just shouldn't make. imo.

Besides all this the pad mfg's have tens of years or more of experience and scientific testing than you have at your disposal.

Have you ever made anything in machine shop? Why do I need a hydraulic press when the pad material is already made? Yes, I'm still running the same homemade brake pads. They are lasting quite a bit longer on two of my bikes, so I may not have to make any new ones for a while.

I have years of experience fixing manufacturer's defects. Not everything they make is perfect. Sometimes they get something horribly wrong, year after year. Want me to give some defects unique to the 1000rr?

[Phadreus]

Originally Posted by dattaway

That's what makes it interesting. I doubt many riders would consider trying to find the limits of their own brakes. I tried testing to the point of destruction. Try 150mph, full throttle with the brakes until they fade. Repeat. I learned about the limitations of the OEM pads and the ones I made. These were also tested in the rain, snow, and down to 0F as I ride to work every day. I like the strong braking with minimal effort, lack of chatter, or grabbing of the rotors. I feel I can make an informed opinion about what makes a good reliable brake.

Well there you have it; it's hard to argue with reality! The only concern I would have is the Pad material coming loose from the Holder Plate and if that's not a problem, things would probably be fine. Good job Datt!

[dattaway]

Originally Posted by Phadreus

Well there you have it; it's hard to argue with reality! The only concern I would have is the Pad material coming loose from the Holder Plate and if that's not a problem, things would probably be fine. Good job Datt!

I scraped the plate with a course grind just before applying epoxy. The bond appears to work well. I found it interesting epoxy still holds when burned by a torch. For some reason the heat from a boiling caliper doesn't get that hot on the epoxy. I prefer this over using rivets, which can be a rotor's worst enemy.

[phobiaphobe]

Wow.

[yardsale]

06CBR... Do you ride at the track in Albuquerque???

[phantom45]

sorry to break up the flame fest, but have you considerd rivits in place or paird with bonding. i know its a bit old school.....

[Jaranden]

Throwing my 2c out there...keep in mind these brake pad manufacturers want not only reasonable brakes, but they want repeat customers. i.e.: brakes designed to wear out as quickly as they think a consumer will accept, and buy another set from them. many things we use on a daily basis could be made to last much, much longer, but then they wouldn't be something we're so accepting of replacing more often. so, cut costs, cut life, increase repeat buys. if I had the knowledge and tools, i wouldn't buy a darn thing that was built by anyone with more than A shop or at most, two. think about it...just how fast did we advance when everyone was doing their own thing, making things their own way? like I said, my 2c.

[Parks]

I am collecting scrap plastic to make my own helmet, what kind of JB weld should I use for that. I want to save about $200. I once tested a KBC on asphalt and it wore right through it so I can make one that pavement wont grind down. Any thoughts????

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Parks

I am collecting scrap plastic to make my own helmet, what kind of JB weld should I use for that. I want to save about $200. I once tested a KBC on asphalt and it wore right through it so I can make one that pavement wont grind down. Any thoughts????

Just use Duct tape, if you crash you can go down to the local hardware store and make the necessary repairs, and ride with a good helmet.

[Parks]

Good idea, Hammer, and do you know what? I saw some used duct tape down at the scrap yard. Now my savings are really starting to pile up. Now I am going to start knitting my own air filter, distilling my used oil into gas, and using a wood burning kit to make the treads on my tires deeper.

New 1000cc Bike: $11,500
Insurance : $1,000
Gear/Mods : $2,000

Hearing the story about wrecking it all over $50 brake pads : PRICELESS

[MACI4LIFE]

Originally Posted by Parks

Good idea, Hammer, and do you know what? I saw some used duct tape down at the scrap yard. Now my savings are really starting to pile up. Now I am going to start knitting my own air filter, distilling my used oil into gas, and using a wood burning kit to make the treads on my tires deeper.

New 1000cc Bike: $11,500
Insurance : $1,000
Gear/Mods : $2,000

Hearing the story about wrecking it all over $50 brake pads : PRICELESS

last time i checked oem, or hrc brake pads weren't 50 bucks. if you can minimize the costs of riding your bike then so be it.

I love doing new projects therefore am quite intrigued with this project. my only question is what type of epoxy was used? or did he mean jb weld as the epoxy?

[ghbzorro]

A few years back I had a colleague who built his own airplane in his basement from some plans. He had to modify the house to get the airplane out of it.

He surprised me by fabricating so many of the parts by himself, even the small ones. A good example would be that he even cast his own elevator counter-weights. He was a meticulous craftsman.

Yeah, he bought an engine (then re-built it) and all of the required instrumentation, plus a fuel tank and propeller.

He and his wife were out flying when suddenly there was a tremendous vibration. Later it was found that his purchased prop had lost a blade. Before he could shut the engine down, the purchased fuel tank ruptured.

He was over a residential area and ended crashing in order to stay away from peoples' houses. His wife was able to get away from the ensuing fire. He wasn't.

Nothing that he built himself from scratch failed (at least until the impact and fire). It was bought-out components that were the problem.

[saf]

Originally Posted by MACI4LIFE

if you can minimize the costs of riding your bike then so be it.

Reminds me of the guys who do their first trackday ... "Ill get new tyres and brakefluid, on monday , cause im not going to get new rubber and ride hard on sunday to destroy it".

[CR5DUB]

I'm going to make my own brake lines out of surgical tubing and some rotors cut from metal trash can lids.

[MACI4LIFE]

Originally Posted by saf

Reminds me of the guys who do their first trackday ... "Ill get new tyres and brakefluid, on monday , cause im not going to get new rubber and ride hard on sunday to destroy it".

almost but not quite

[Parks]

Good idea with the trashcan lids. I have been using manhole covers. They are so large they dissipate heat well and I havent had to replace them in FOREVER. They are lasting way longer than the stock rotors. I work in a hospital so I will need to bring home some tubing for new brake lines.

[jj_long]

Originally Posted by saf

This thread is going to get funnay !.

Making exhaust, frame sliders, axle sliders, clip ons, rear sets, fairing stays .... etc, yea sure i agree. Brakes ?. Ok ill go as far as making your own braided lines, i run all my bikes on lines ive made, but the physical brake, thats crazy.

lines huh... tell me more in very interested. ive got a new old bike project that would need somthing like this. how about cost and supplies? thanks.

[jj_long]

Originally Posted by saf

06, I totally 100% agree with you on that, he nickname was "penis" for about 6 months after that. The only reason i said what i said was the end result is the same. I know that off the shelf pads can fail, its highly unlikely as you dont hear of it, but i just wouldnt want to see you hurt over $50.

i think its a great idea. even oem pads are simply purchased from a manufacturer. you probably could have better pads and be able to change them out more often. im interested.

[jj_long]

some people are leaders and some people are followers. i cant bielieve how many followers are also whiners. if you dont like someones way of thinking it dosent make it wrong. but mocking and disrespecting anothers knowledge makes you wrong.

[Hasdrubal]

I've been following this thread for a while now, and the thing that bugs me most is that people are _still_ making fun of dattaway for running substandard pads when he repeatedly tells us that he is experiencing better performance.

If you can't understand how different pad materials work, or if you can't understand how the pad is bonded to the plate, or if you just don't care enough to get the tools and try it (which is absolutely fine), then don't do it.

I'm going to try this myself. Why? Because I like fabrication and I'm willing to go through some trouble for _better_ performance. It's not about money, either. My other upcoming project is a supercharger for my NSX.

Nick

[sheepofblue]

Interesting pool of Darwin awards candidates... surprised I missed this. Yes you can create stuff and may even come up with the next great thing. However the difference between engineering and D. award winner usually is one starts with controlled experiments and analysis while the other starts with "hey y'all watch this"

Good luck with your brakes but I doubt you have the self control to properly analyze and think through what could be a deadly mistake. Hopefully you never find out.

Unlike the poster who blamed the airplane death on a prop and "Nothing that he built himself from scratch failed" I realize he did build THE PLANE from scratch. This includes fail modes (yes you do plan for failure just in case). The prop failure that could result in a catastrophic tank failure is bad design. No companies are not prefect but in the words of my Dad "it is funny how many people think that they can come up with something in 10 minutes that 60 engineers missed in a year"