Sorry, Ian, I forgot to add my 10 bahts worth on this issue. Surely, with modern technology, the police should be able to radar and target one particular vehicle to obtain an accurate speed. By saying that I was doing 150 mph in order to catch up with you is a statement in irrelevance. It's quite clear to me that even a half-wit lawyer would be able to get that thrown out.
That is just it, where is the video. We have no idea if the cop even got the actual speed. All we know is the cop broke the department’s policy and he is being punished for it. The video must clearly show the officer was in the wrong and the motorcyclist was breaking the law but not anything remotely close to requiring a high speed pursuit. So they video is being kept under wraps because of that.
I also think the term high speed pursuit is used way too often. They consider 90MPH high speed. It’s is only 20 MPH over the speed limit; or 30%. In some places it would also only be 10 to 15 MPH over the speed limit; or around 10 to 15%.
maybe if that police officer didnt chase this biker nobody would have died.
There is a very good chance that no one would have died as it was the officer who caused the accident.
, i think that more cops need to be examples now-a-days. Where i am from, the cops do dam near what they want cause they have the city backin them up. Hell all it took was just a couple of sportbike riders for us all to be labled right? Put his ass prison. I dont condone dumb shyt that a lot of us bikers do (i said us because im no angel on two wheels) but i am glad that the biker got off. We dont know the circumstances behind it.
Some police forces allow way too much leeway in what the officers can do. In this case, the department had a policy and the city cannot back the officer as he broke it. For those that think why should one person be punished for one stupid mistake? The reason is simple; it is part of the job. Just like if you are a doctor and make a mistake, it can cost you your job and a good sum of money. Obviously doctors are paid more, but the fact still remains that both were trained. They both accepted the risks as well.
So maybe the days that some cops think they can’t be touched are over. They two must follow the law.
Ian, while I completely agree with you that this method of so-called "catching" the speeding biker is utterly crazy and needs to be brought to an end immediately, I've got to ask why (in your opinion) so many police are behaving in such a manner? What is it about sports bikes that gets the police so fired up? The answer to this might help us find a way forward with the problem. You see, I'm living in a country where the police do exactly what you've described. If you're lucky, they'll come and pick up your carcass before the wild-life get to it. They certainly don't ever stop you for speeding or riding recklessly. If they tried they'd have to stop the vast majority of the population. As a consequence, the number of deaths on the road here, per day, are beyond belief.
It seems to me, given the number of complaints made by so many members here, that a large number of police in the US (and Croatia according to Lowrider) are hell-bent on making sportsbike riders life a misery. So we need to collectively put our heads together and assess just what the hell it is that makes us public enemy number one and try to find a solution.
(Individuals such as Maholi must be considered exempt from blame as quite clearly they love sportsbikes as well as own them. However, I personally welcome their input, which has great value to us because they are police officers and have an insight into the less public opinions of those "other officers".)
First and foremost, I think it should be made law (not just policy) that any bike stop/check scenario should be carried out by an officer on a bike, not in a car. Where a bike chase has been engaged (if we are only talking about speeding and/or tickets) patrol cars should only act in a supporting role and not engage directly in the chase.
Secondly, I believe the bike patrol officers should be given bikes that are up to the task assigned to them. It's pointless trying to chase a CBR 1krr with a Harley (sorry to any HD riders here, no offense intended its just a fact of life that an HD isn't going to catch a 1krr if its rider has the bit between his teeth).
And thirdly, those riders should be so highly-trained (and refresher trained regularly) that the onus is completely on them to ensure either a safe stop or safe abortion of a chase. I also believe from the comments made here that if egos are a problem then new methods of evaluating an individual's suitability as a patrol officer have to be implemented. Having a thinly veiled ego maniac at the controls of any vehicle while armed and given permission to engage in a chase is (imho) worse than the nutter who's steaming full tilt down a public road on his two-wheeled crotch-rocket trying to beat the land speed record. But only just.
We bikers also have to take responsibility for our actions. Nay, we must take responsibility for our actions, both individually and collectively. Speeding already has fines set in place, I believe, however, it should be an automatic prison offense if a rider 'runs'. No if's or but's - prison. Plain and simple. As I said on another thread somewhere around here, two wrongs don't make a right. Unlike the chicken and the egg scenario, we know which came first. The biker got the horn and then the police gave chase.
Take the bike portion out of it. Some cops like to have their ego stroked and they like abusing their power. In Baltimore another cop has been suspended with pay as internal affairs is investigating. He used way too much force getting a skateboard from a kid and also yelled and threatened physical violence. This same cop also on video was shown kicking an R/C car around and threatening the owner to leave immediately.
The videos apparently will be used to train new recruits and the officer may very well lose his job. He was under investigation for the skateboard incident and then another video was turned in of the same officer. This officer never had any complaints. I highly doubt it, they were probably swept under the rug or people just didn’t report him as usually it doesn’t do much.
I know I have had an issue with an officer or two. Both of them were clearly in the wrong and they just thought I would roll over and take it. Both found out that they messed with the wrong person. One left to go to another post as he couldn’t get promoted and the other suffered even worse consequences. Mainly because the chief tried to protect him and I was going to have none of that. By the time I was done with the mayor and their city council and they were none too happy with the chief or the officer but the chief was still standing tall. Next was my attorney talking to theirs and the chief lost all footing he had. The only reason why I pushed was because it was obviously ok with the chief and the officer that they can violate some ones civil rights and get away with it. That officer was still there a few years after the incident but he hasn’t been able to go anyone else (I sent a letter of his apology to me) to the surrounding areas. It is also in his file and will have to pay the price for years to come. He was also told to leave me alone as they didn’t want him to try to make up for it.
Not all areas have motorcycle patrol officers and the ones that do usually use them for traffic enforcement only.
As for a bike to carry the job out. The patrol officers need to be on a comfy motorcycle as they are on it most of the day. They also need room for all the electronics and their accessories like a ticket book. So they would need a sport bike with saddlebags; which isn’t going to work.
As for someone that mentioned automatic prison sentence. The jails are already full and criminals are let go before they should because of the lack of space. Most of those criminals have done far worse things than run. I don’t condone running though.
Does the public really have a say in that speeding is enforced? If the cops try too hard then we complain. The cops started a week long citation area and rather than about and 1/4 to a 1/2 mile backup every day, it was 5 miles long. They kept at it until enough people complained they quit. This was all because people would drive on the shoulder to get on another major road. So rather than fixing the road and making an on-ramp that could be used (there was a light 100 feet up the road, so when people stopped for the light you would either need to use the shoulder or wait) they decided to ticket people. All they did was make traffic proportionally worse.
There are also areas where the speed drops for a mile and then picks back up again. I know one place where the road went into another county for ľ mile and in that space it went from 65 to 55 and then back to 65. There would always be a cop there.