[blackrider600rr]

thread closed... thanks for all who did post

[denzee]

Not quite sure I understand what you're saying but I think in the dirt you may be able to play around with that stuff but unless you are Nicky Hayden, asphalt isn't the place for that. One of the biggest mistakes you can make is coming into a turn too hot. Survival mode kicks in and if you lock the rear it's going to come around on you and it's over. It happens in a milisecond too.
You may be talking about squaring off a turn which is also best learned on the dirt and is an advanced manouvre. Not doing that correctly on the street could launch you into another time zone with a wicked highside.

[blackrider600rr]

would it work if u did everything fast enough without panic and total control?

[ldavis]

in theory.. NO>>> there is no doing it fast enough without panic and total control.. if you're that good, you shouldn't be on the streets.. you should be trying out for AMA/Moto gp..

[dicknose]

A highside is usually when the rear is going faster than the front, if you slow the front all you are doing is bringing the rear around faster - seems to me this would cause a highside quicker.

[-Z-]

Yeah...it's been a while since I've been on the track, but could you do it fast enough? I'm not sure. I think you'd have to have it all planned out down to the millisecond and have total control over how fast into the corner you're coming, what lean angle, stuff like that. Maybe if you had extremely superb control and modulated the rear brake instead of locking it up fully, you might be able to pull it off. I'm pretty damn certain I sure couldn't do that. I'm thinking highside....

[low-rider]

i dont understand what u just said. my advice is dont get into the turn with to much speed cause probably u will not be able to do much anymore. about braking...if you are already in the turn breaking with front brakes will transfer weight on front wheel and you really DON't wanna do that in the corner. the idea is to put as much weight on the rear end and transfering weight on the front will result with going out of the corner. unless u r valentino rossi with motogp suspension on the bike and race tires...then u can do it.

[nedro]

I don't get the question or any of the responses.
If you come into the turn trail braking, there isn't any weight on the rear wheel. You can't use the rear brake. Period. Why are you even asking?

[nedro]

Originally Posted by blackrider600rr

I just had a thought about turning.. my thought was if ur going in to a turn to fast and use the rear brake to shed speed and accidentally locked it..

No problem! You can't bleed off any exessive energy/speed with the rear brake. End of story.

[CBR929RE]

do a search on google for an article titled "The Pace" it should come up with
an article about riding a motorcycle on the street. the biggest thing it advocates is keeping your speed down to where you can handle whatever is going to come at you. basically you ride the whole ride without touching the brakes. you set your speed way before a turn, don't come shooting out of the turn at ludicrous speed only to have to jam on the brakes for the next turn.

[robert mcvey]

dont be so stupid you will end up in hospital or worse

[speedy.929]

you would highside, a friend "tried" that at the track. not really, just went into a corner too hot and what you asked is exactly what he tried. poor little 636.

[nedro]

Originally Posted by speedy.929

you would highside, a friend "tried" that at the track. not really, just went into a corner too hot and what you asked is exactly what he tried. poor little 636.

See blackrider600rr? At the track, it's funny.
What do you suppose would've happened if it were on the street???

[speedy.929]

he may have been okay if the street had a haybale wall and a puddle on the other side. it was a very soft landing. the bike i think was trying out for the olympic diving team with all its flips and turns.

[Ol' Gravy Leg]

Originally Posted by blackrider600rr

I just had a thought about turning.. my thought was if ur going in to a turn to fast and use the rear brake to shed speed and accidentally locked it.. while happening if u were to apply the front enough wouldnt that slow the front enough to but the rear in proporsion with the front enough for the turn, then slowing letting off the front while accelerating to avoid a highside.. can this work is it possible i want some thoughts before i try it.. and please stay on topic.. thanks in advance

isn't this your first street bike that you've had just a few weeks? stay off the rear brake for a long while.

cbr929re reminded me of this guy: "The rider was brand new to the sport. Only two weeks with a bike, no MSF, no gear, no training"

Tragic - Forums

"Basically he locked up his brakes and hit the guard rail perpendicular and got launched over the fence to a 50 ft drop to cement."

[wingerdor]

Great comments! First off dude, if you panic enough because your coming in to hot and lock the rear brake leaned over, YOU WILL CRASH. you will tense up, stare off the road and go to whatever gets in the way.

What you see if you watch MotoGP is the guys with the Number 1 plates powersliding into corners. They are planning ahead of time to do this and it doesn't always work for them!!

You have picked a hell of a starter bike, but reading your other posts, you seem to understand that.

You would benefit greatly from 2 classes. 1) MSF Experienced RiderCourse - It will give you good collision avoidance techniques. It will also sharpen your slow tight turns. 2) Total Control Advanced Riding Clinic (ARC) - I will teach you advanced vision and line selection, tricks to maintain focus and stayin in a Relaxed Alertness, suspension setup, throttle/brake transitions(trail braking) and techniques on body position that will increase your traction. I see that you are dragging a knee already, so this class will allow you to understand what dragging your knee can do for you and how moving your body at the right and wrong times can greatly effect traction. Setting your suspension properly for your weight and riding style will make a HUGE difference in your traction and overall feel of control. There are a number of ways to deal with coming in to a corner too hot or to tighten up a corner, but you need to understand trail braking, rake, trail, bike attitude, etc to take advantage of them. they are all advanced skills that require focus and practice. The most important thing on the street is to make sure that you don't come in to hot, period! You will run out of ability to corner way before your bike does. Go to the bookstore or Amazon and get a copy of "Total Control" High performance riding techniques, by Lee Parks. All the skills are street based but also work on the track. This book and class will help to bring you into the small percentage of Advanced motorcyclists that take advanced clinics and trackdays. Congrat on a great start, be careful and keep learning!

Remember, to actually own the skills you learn, you must put them into practice in your daily riding. They don't just happen by putting on miles, they come from specific, organized training and practice.

You will enjoy the hell out of this bike for years to come and at your age you're probably in a lot better shape than a few of us on the board and have the potential to become a really good rider with proper guidance! Just don't rush things.

Ask most of the riders that ride the technical tracks, they are happier with smaller cc bikes, rather than liter bikes.

I wish I fit on a smaller bike than my 929 but I'm 6'5 so I feel like a giant on my buddies sv650

[ReDevil]

Originally Posted by blackrider600rr

I just had a thought about turning.. my thought was if ur going in to a turn to fast and use the rear brake to shed speed and accidentally locked it.. while happening if u were to apply the front enough wouldnt that slow the front enough to but the rear in proporsion with the front enough for the turn, then slowing letting off the front while accelerating to avoid a highside.. can this work is it possible i want some thoughts before i try it.. and please stay on topic.. thanks in advance

I will stick to the question.
Technically speaking it will not help and you will make the rear come over quicker. Why? Consider this simple experiment.

Take a toy bike. Tie two strings to it. One to the top of handle bars and one to the rear seat or somewhere there. Now join the two threads on the other side and pin it to a piece of thick broom stick at the same point. Now spin the bike around the stick while the broom stick is also turning. This creates the motion of the bike cornering. Now spin the bike around without moving the brrom stick. The front thread will tighten quicker than the one of the rear around the stick creating the same action as you would have applied the front brakes harder when the rear was comoing over.
Result - at the end of the spin your bike is going side ways into the exit rather than straight. The only way I have seen someone safe a slide and avoid the rear come off at high speeds is Doohan, by sticking his knee into the ground and using it as a brake preventinig the bike from loosing the rear.

[Shamrokpwr]

For whatever it is worth, I was taught that if you lock up your rear wheel, regardless of the situation, keep it locked, don't try to come off it. Hasn't happened to me (yet) so at this point, it's just theory. Good luck.

Paul

[speedy.929]

that's what i've heard. if it locks, leave it locked. but I've also seen one of my friends come into a turn too hot, and the rear locked, he popped the clutch and hammered the throttle, the tire spun up then caught and shot him straight out of the corner. he was very lucky IMHO.

[blackrider600rr]

exactly finally.. see it can be done. thats exactly what i was describing

[nedro]

Holy ****!
You get chapters on how to learn to ride. Then one guy describes an incident that he calls "Lucky", where A guy actually doesn't kill himself,
And you're all over it like it's ****ing normal!
Ah, Screw it!

[HondaGalToo]

Yeah, what nedro said. You're picking up ONLY what you want to hear. The guy who did that was just damned lucky. In general, hitting the brakes in a turn because you came in too hot will cause you to crash. Take the courses that wingerdor recommended and learn how to ride. Trying stupid techniques like locking your brakes in a turn because you have not learned to correctly judge entry speed can only go badly.

[speedy.929]

the guy that did that afterward said the only reason he even tried was because we were in the mountains and he would have slid off the road down the cliff. but yes, he was very LUCKY not to have killed himself.

[denzee]

Popped the clutch and hammered the throttle? Sounds like a real good plan. Maybe just give it a try and let us know how you make out. I don't mean to be sarcastic but come on, this is getting silly. I don't even think Moto GP guys talk like this.

[Ol' Gravy Leg]

who the eff bought this kid a brand new 600rr? do his parents hate him?

they better have bought all the safety gear to go with it.

[nedro]

Nobody that responded to your question hates you. And I would go so far as to say that we probably care more about you than your very best friends. I know that might be hard to believe right now. But if you live through this thing, you will come to realize this as the truth.