clutch not disengaging 00 929

JORDAN N · 07-02-2009, 10:53 PM

hello,

I have a problem with the clutch not fully disengaging. When you start the bike in gear it wants to move. It will start but you can tell the clutch is dragging. I adjusted the clutch so it has no free play just to test and it still drags. I then took a pair of pliers and turned the clutch shaft as far as it would move and the clutch still has to much drag. I disassembled the clutch and found nothing drastic. The most wear was on the clutch hub where the steel plates have worn it. Other than that it looks okay. If the judder spring was backwards would it have this affect? I really dont know what else would cause the clutch to hang. I really hate how it clunks in to gear because of it. Any help would be great.

jordan

bladeracer · 07-03-2009, 7:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JORDAN N

hello,

I have a problem with the clutch not fully disengaging. When you start the bike in gear it wants to move. It will start but you can tell the clutch is dragging. I adjusted the clutch so it has no free play just to test and it still drags. I then took a pair of pliers and turned the clutch shaft as far as it would move and the clutch still has to much drag. I disassembled the clutch and found nothing drastic. The most wear was on the clutch hub where the steel plates have worn it. Other than that it looks okay. If the judder spring was backwards would it have this affect? I really dont know what else would cause the clutch to hang. I really hate how it clunks in to gear because of it. Any help would be great.

jordan

Did it just start doing this one day?
Has the clutch been apart?

JORDAN N · 07-03-2009, 5:02 PM

The clutch was acting this way when i bought the bike. I took it apart to find that the judder spring was missing and it didnt have the large I.D friction disk. I also found a crack in the clutch basket. I figured that the large id disk not being there wasnt letting it disengage. I got a complete basket, inner, and disks used. They seemed to be in good usable condition. I put it all back together and it didnt seem to change much. Is there something i could have missed putting it together. There is no missing parts.

bladeracer · 07-04-2009, 2:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JORDAN N

The clutch was acting this way when i bought the bike. I took it apart to find that the judder spring was missing and it didnt have the large I.D friction disk. I also found a crack in the clutch basket. I figured that the large id disk not being there wasnt letting it disengage. I got a complete basket, inner, and disks used. They seemed to be in good usable condition. I put it all back together and it didnt seem to change much. Is there something i could have missed putting it together. There is no missing parts.

I don't think there's much you need watch out for other than the judder spring/spring seat/friction plate combination and the outer friction disc fits on top of the basket fingers instead of between them with all the others.

JORDAN N · 07-04-2009, 11:51 AM

Does the judder spring have to go in a certain direction? I have it so the inside diameter of the spring is toward the outside. Also how hard of a shift from nuetral to first or second is normal?

bladeracer · 07-04-2009, 3:06 PM

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Does the judder spring have to go in a certain direction? I have it so the inside diameter of the spring is toward the outside. Also how hard of a shift from nuetral to first or second is normal?

You have the judder spring the wrong way around.
The inside of it should be touching against the spring seat that goes on first - ie toward the inside of the engine.
One other point, since it appears you don't have a manual, is that the last friction disc you install (on the outside, on top of the clutch basket fingers) has a different colouring on the outside edge of the tangs. I don't know if the disc is actually a different compound or not and I don't know what happens if you use a standard disc in its place.

From neutral to first is often fairly hard but it is worse if the idle speed is too high or low. It can be helpful to put the bike into first and rock it back and forward a couple of times without pulling the clutch. This will free up any sticking plates, especially on cold morning starts.
The bike should definately not be pulling with the clutch disengaged though.
How old is your oil?

JORDAN N · 07-04-2009, 5:50 PM

will the judder spring being backwards make a difference?

bladeracer · 07-04-2009, 5:53 PM

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will the judder spring being backwards make a difference?

I assume it would but I've never put one in backwards to find out what the result is :-)

JORDAN N · 07-04-2009, 8:07 PM

I have a honda service manual and it only shows a picture and i could not tell which way it went. I guess I will pull it apart and switch it. So the inner side of the judder spring is supposed to be on the spring seat an the outer is supposed to be toward the outside correct? thanks for the help

bladeracer · 07-05-2009, 1:27 AM

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I have a honda service manual and it only shows a picture and i could not tell which way it went. I guess I will pull it apart and switch it. So the inner side of the judder spring is supposed to be on the spring seat an the outer is supposed to be toward the outside correct? thanks for the help

Yep.
I wish I knew how to pull a single page from a PDF so I could post it for you.

Actually, I just took a photo of the Haynes manual :-)

JORDAN N · 07-06-2009, 12:17 AM

I switched the judder spring. It didnt make a whole lot of difference. What i did notice is, the more I ran it the better it was and it only wanted to move the first time i started it after putting the clutch together. It seems to be ok. I guess the only thing that bothers me now is the harsh shift to first or second from nuetral. I think by what others say its pretty normal. (I hope it is anyway) :-) Thanks for the advice and anymore is welcome.

bladeracer · 07-06-2009, 12:32 AM

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the more I ran it the better it was and it only wanted to move the first time i started it after putting the clutch together.

This is fairly normal after replacing a clutch.

alexheath11 · 07-06-2009, 4:05 AM

Did the clutch recall get done to your bike? the 2000 had the recall and the 01 they fixed. If the clutch is the one frome the factory then honda has a replacement one for you. I dont think it costs anything either. Just time.