[ConqSoft]

Got this from another site:

http://www.deathracing.com/rider_down/

Attached images in case URL goes away.

[Bacchus]

Ohh, that doesn't look good at all!

[Tavish]

holy crap! I REALLY hope everyone was ok, or atleast treatable from that crash!

[symonjester]

Any idea if they made it out okay?

[Chain]

Yeah, that's a fairly bad one...

[Kookie]

I am guessing he was not going that fast, since the bike appears to have minor damage (usually the front end is totally gone in a high speed T-bone - based on the accidents I have viewed). Anyone have more details, i.e news article, etc?

I hope the rider and auto driver faired well (it appears the driver got it bad). The rider saw it before it happened (note the long skid mark).

Best wishes to both persons and families involved.

[SuperDave]

Saw his shoe there, oh boy. I've seen and heard of more accidents in the last 2 weeks than the last 2 years.

[OSIRIS]

Too familiar I was way luckier

[RedTalon]

"deathracing"....I guess they took it too literal.

[BigDaddyJ]

Wow, hope every come's out of that one OK.

[Holeshot]

Check the Napa news websites... I'm sure they'll be doing a big smear-piece on riders. That crash looks bad any way you slice it.

Damn near happened to me ast night aroud 11:30 pm. I knew the f**cker was going to pull out right in front of me so I was already on the brakes. Danm that sh*t happens SO FAST...

Sort of looks like some white-topper pulled out in front of the bike...

[Holeshot]

Just found it...


Napa High teen killed on Lincoln Ave.
Saturday, June 12, 2004

RIP dude...

[RRWANTR]

RIP....that sucks.
My brother in law had a elderly lady pull right in front of him with him going about 50 with no chance to slow down at all. He struck her in the front quarter panel and ended up laying on smashed windshield. His groin struck the tank of his V65 magna so hard that you could see the imprint of the jean material imbedded in the tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[freq]

Sad indeed. I could not imagine a brand new F4i at the ripe old age of 16, not that that is what got him killed.

[Chain]

Deathracing.com - just caught that. What a frickin a-hole to even have a domain name like that.

Next comment directed in the air, not to anyone here: As for the accident, don't be too quick to judge the cager. I've seen countless car-bike collisions like this one where the bike pilot was riding way to fast in the city.

Cager comes to intersection, looks both ways, either doesn't see the fast moving bike or sees it and totally misjudges the speed (easy to do); cager pulls out and the inevitable ensues.

Point is, this very well might be the dead sportbiker's fault.

[Chain]

Originally Posted by freq

Sad indeed. I could not imagine a brand new F4i at the ripe old age of 16, not that that is what got him killed.

It could be what got him killed - see my post above.

Generally speaking though freq, I wholeheartedly agree. New riders, especially new riders with the maturity, judgement and life experience that a typical 16 year old possesses, DO NOT MIX with 100 hp 600's. Flat ridiculous that kids can get their hands on these sorts of motorcycles IMO.

I know, I know, infringement on personal rights and liberties, I'm down with all that, but something has to be done IMO.

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by Chain

Next comment directed in the air, not to anyone here: As for the accident, don't be too quick to judge the cager. I've seen countless car-bike collisions like this one where the bike pilot was riding way to fast in the city.

Cager comes to intersection, looks both ways, either doesn't see the fast moving bike or sees it and totally misjudges the speed (easy to do); cager pulls out and the inevitable ensues.

Point is, this very well might be the dead sportbiker's fault.

Possibly (especially with the age, experience, etc) but I'd put money on the elderly woman not seeing him and pulling out in front. I've had WAY to many cages pull in front of me when I'm not going fast to not put my money on that.

[freq]

Originally Posted by Chain

It could be what got him killed - see my post above.

Generally speaking though freq, I wholeheartedly agree. New riders, especially new riders with the maturity, judgement and life experience that a typical 16 year old possesses, DO NOT MIX with 100 hp 600's. Flat ridiculous that kids can get their hands on these sorts of motorcycles IMO.

I know, I know, infringement on personal rights and liberties, I'm down with all that, but something has to be done IMO.

WE NEED TIERED M/C LICENSING IN THE US. Yes i was yelling. Threadjack complete.

[Holeshot]

Don't like the domain name or the title one the top of the home page.. send him an e-mail.. or.. perhaps a phone call?

registrant-firstname:           Isaiah
registrant-lastname:            Craig
registrant-street1:             Box 142
registrant-pcode:               94558
registrant-state:               CA
registrant-city:                Napa
registrant-ccode:               US
registrant-phone:               +1.7072252927
registrant-email:               isaiahtecraig@yahoo.com

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by Chain

Cager comes to intersection, looks both ways, either doesn't see the fast moving bike or sees it and totally misjudges the speed (easy to do); cager pulls out and the inevitable ensues.

Point is, this very well might be the dead sportbiker's fault.

Totally agreed. Sort of odd that the forks looked pretty straing.. maybe he was pullin a 12-o'clock.. maybe not. He's dead though.. and at age 16. I don't know about the rest of you but at age 16 I was hardly the model of intelligence and self-control. I can just barely begin to image what his parents are going though...

[CBRVFR]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

Possibly (especially with the age, experience, etc) but I'd put money on the elderly woman not seeing him and pulling out in front. I've had WAY to many cages pull in front of me when I'm not going fast to not put my money on that.

You're probably right, RRW, but what do you think about the following?

1. It was in a 'slow school' zone. The bike could have stopped in that distance at 25.

2. There is a LOT of damage to the car, including a flat tire on the opposite side (?) Seems like a lot of kinetic energy was expended. The side air bags were deployed in the car.. probably saved that driver's life.

3. The skid mark isn't all that long, and looks like a rear wheel lockup. In the bright light of hindsight, the rider seems to have had room to evade, swerving to the front or back, if target fixation and lockup were avoided.

My uninformed guess? too much speed, not enough experience. RIP.

The lessons I learned years ago in the MSF course are ingrained in my riding method. Identify the next possible threat, decide in advance what to do, and practice the skills to get it done. It is tragic that this young man won't be here to learn that.

[Chain]

Originally Posted by freq

WE NEED TIERED M/C LICENSING IN THE US. Yes i was yelling. Threadjack complete.

Profound.

So true.

Agreed.

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by CBRVFR

You're probably right, RRW, but what do you think about the following?

1. It was in a 'slow school' zone. The bike could have stopped in that distance at 25.

Where'd you see that? Don't see that in the article posted...

2. There is a LOT of damage to the car, including a flat tire on the opposite side (?) Seems like a lot of kinetic energy was expended. The side air bags were deployed in the car.. probably saved that driver's life.

There does seem to be alot of damage. Doesn't take a whole lot to set off the airbags in a direct hit though right? IF it was a 25 mph zone it looks like the bike would have been going faster than that but with the way cars are made now days it doesn't take much to make them look this way.

3. The skid mark isn't all that long, and looks like a rear wheel lockup. In the bright light of hindsight, the rider seems to have had room to evade, swerving to the front or back, if target fixation and lockup were avoided.

Looks like lockup....but if you look at the pic and see then entrance to the road that it looks like the car came out of and where the lockup ocurred it's very close....so who knows the situation. I agree that experience almost definitely came into play here, but not sure it's the end all.

The lessons I learned years ago in the MSF course is ingrained in my riding method. Identify the next possible threat, decide in advance what to do, and practice the skills to get it done. It is tragic that this young man won't be here to learn that.

Agreed. Wouldn't want to be the woman that was in the car no matter what the circumstances were. Would be hard to live with.

[Chain]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

Wouldn't want to be the woman that was in the car no matter what the circumstances were. Would be hard to live with.

I think it will prove alot harder to be the parent living with the decision to allow their 16 year old boy access to a 600cc I4. STUPID.

[fl-929]

You can see school painted on the street.

It was probably a combination of things that caused his death. Either way RIP.

[RedTalon]

Originally Posted by freq

WE NEED TIERED M/C LICENSING IN THE US. Yes i was yelling. Threadjack complete.

I'll Third that motion and add that not only does motorcycle licensing need to be tiered, but regular driving licences.

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by fl-929

You can see school painted on the street.

It was probably a combination of things that caused his death. Either way RIP.

DOHH!!! I'm blind.