Missing the gear between 5th & 6th, somehow hits neutral?? Help!!

MR_TiGGer · 04-08-2007, 8:29 PM

Happened twice now, tearing up through the box then change up from 5th to 6th and no gear and suddenly red lining, ease off the throttle give the lever a nudge and it's in 6th??
The first time it happened I "Thought" I was in 6th and got carried away and somehow jumped past 6th into neutral but I can't recall exactly, but the 2nd time defiantly in 5th and missed 6th.

Now I'm very very worried that this is seriously bad news, as I understood 2nd to 6th are all meshed in a way that there's no gaps at all, so how can this be??

Appriciate your thoughts

jhonda41 · 04-08-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MR_TiGGer

Happened twice now, tearing up through the box then change up from 5th to 6th and no gear and suddenly red lining, ease off the throttle give the lever a nudge and it's in 6th??
The first time it happened I "Thought" I was in 6th and got carried away and somehow jumped past 6th into neutral but I can't recall exactly, but the 2nd time defiantly in 5th and missed 6th.

I am also curious as to what this could be. I was had similar problems (false neutrals?) between what I thought was 3rd and 4th at the track a few weeks ago. Happened about three times.... it was scary because at one point I was rolling on the throttle mid turn and I almost redlined.

My other transmission issue is that no matter how much I try.... I cant get the bike to go into seventh gear.

-jh

MR_TiGGer · 04-09-2007, 7:00 AM

Is this what's called a "False Neutral" when you hit gaps between gears??
I've heard the term and thought it was the Green light on the dash but stalling cos it's still in gear??

I can't find 7th either

MR_TiGGer · 04-09-2007, 10:17 AM

Right done some investigation after talking to the friend who sold me the bike, I didn't fully understand when he told me about 'False neutrals' so yes I was being far too girly and need to adjust the gear lever down a little bit.

Cheers

*sinfuldragon* · 04-09-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MR_TiGGer

Right done some investigation after talking to the friend who sold me the bike, I didn't fully understand when he told me about 'False neutrals' so yes I was being far too girly and need to adjust the gear lever down a little bit.

Cheers

I'm sorry I must be missing something. You need to adjust the gear lever down a little because why again?

MR_TiGGer · 04-09-2007, 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sinfuldragon

I'm sorry I must be missing something. You need to adjust the gear lever down a little because why again?

Twice now when I've been accelerating and going up through the gearbox, I'd hit a false neutral between 5th & 6th. I was concerned that my gearbox might be damaged in some way but turns out it was a false neutral.
If I had been more firm with the gear lever it wouldn't have happened, according to research on the web, it generally happens because the lever is a little too high for the individual. Adjust it down a fraction and I can be more precise with the up changes.

.......... theoretically

Phadreus · 06-01-2007, 10:27 AM

I've been on Hondas (dirt and street) since Carter was in office and every Honda I've ridden can be coerced into "false neutrals" between 3-4, 4-5 and / or 5-6. I've always addressed this as Mr. Trigger said; lower the Shift Lever one spline notch or so. It always seemed to fix the problem, which is a little laziness on shifts (in my case); lowering the Shift Lever makes for a more deliberate shift.

I've always wondered if switching to a GP style shift pattern (push down to go up in gears) would also minimize this problem...hmm.

It's somewhat interesting; I've never experienced this on down shifts...

dattaway · 06-01-2007, 3:12 PM

You have three shift forks. At least one is bent. Bad. Gear dogs are sure to go next. Shift forks don't cost too much. But there's a lot more gears and they add up. Get it fixed soon!

Phadreus · 06-01-2007, 5:31 PM

Wow Dat, that's some pretty impressive diagnostics. My 954 exhibited the exact same behavior several times when I bought it new, I lowered my shift lever one spline tooth and the problem never surfaced again. I wonder if lowering the shift lever somehow straightened my bent shift forks? It’s the only conclusion I can deduce…or, it’s as simple as a short shift from my foot.

I personally would first make the free investment of lowering the shift lever, then; if that doesn't fix the issue, spend the bucks on buying new parts.

sidecar john · 06-02-2007, 4:20 AM

Hello

we had this problem on our sidecar outfit and we found the problem was the amount of play in the gear shaft ( the bit that goes right through the engine)

the shaft when pushed/pulled should have some play ie 2/3 mm but ours had about 6mm! we took of the circlip on the end slipped on a washer to take the slack up and wey hey no probs....for now!

hope this helps

john

MR_TiGGer · 06-02-2007, 7:21 PM

Well since I stopped being all girly with the upshift into 6th and adjusted the gear lever, all has been sweet. The box is fine just user error

Luvfender · 06-02-2007, 9:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Phadreus

I've been on Hondas (dirt and street) since Carter was in office and every Honda I've ridden can be coerced into "false neutrals" between 3-4, 4-5 and / or 5-6. I've always addressed this as Mr. Trigger said; lower the Shift Lever one spline notch or so. It always seemed to fix the problem, which is a little laziness on shifts (in my case); lowering the Shift Lever makes for a more deliberate shift.

I've always wondered if switching to a GP style shift pattern (push down to go up in gears) would also minimize this problem...hmm.

It's somewhat interesting; I've never experienced this on down shifts...

Yup, GP shift is one of the best mod's I have done. Stomp through the gears and have no fears!