F2 vs F3 vs F4?

segraves1 · 04-08-2008, 3:54 PM

Trying to decide on a bike. Money is tight so the more "high tech", the longer I have to wait. My goal is to have a good (reliable) 600cc bike that I can go out and have fun with. Don't plan to race the bike (street riding only). I also don't care about the plastic since I want to strip it all off and go for the street fighter look.

So with all this in mind, is their really any difference between the F2, F3, and F4?

vipercnc · 04-08-2008, 6:07 PM

I like the F4I's. It's a good street bike that's good on insurance.
I live the SV's for the track though.

Mr_RC · 04-08-2008, 6:31 PM

I wouldn't mess with anything but an f4i. It is a reliable bike with more juice than those dinosaurs. You can get a used f4i for around $3500 or less now.

segraves1 · 04-08-2008, 6:55 PM

thanks guys....I'll just wait it out for an f4i....

slickwill · 04-08-2008, 7:07 PM

I'd say the same. The fuel injection is worth it.

rokitt51 · 04-08-2008, 8:49 PM

what they said. F4i all the way.

f4imakeover · 04-09-2008, 12:33 AM

I have an f4 thatI have converted to an f4i. Not really much of a difference in power. the top speed from an f4 was very equivalent to an f4i. They chaged the 5th and 6th gear ratios with the injection but the cams were redesigned to give a 700 rpm higher redline. in all honest the looks and the benefits of not having a choke is all you get from an i.

slickwill · 04-09-2008, 1:38 PM

Yeah, it's not really a power upgrade from the F4 to F4i but it is a huge "liveability" upgrade to not deal with carbs. Less of an issue since you are in AZ though. In cold climates FI is the only way to go.

BTW, the '01 was the first year for fuel injection on the F4i and it had some minor glitches that they smoothed out for the '02 year. Something to consider when purchasing. However if you add a PCIII to the '01 you can smooth it out on your own, and even without the PCIII I think the injected '01 is better than a carbed F4.

segraves1 · 04-09-2008, 6:00 PM

I was kind of questioning that (the carb vs FI). In AZ it's never really cold (enough to cause problems) and questioned if perhaps the carb (F4) version might somehow have an advantage (is there?).

captainconk · 04-09-2008, 8:12 PM

carbs are defiatley easier to work on; but i went from a carburated bike to an f4i and i'll never go back. all i have to do is start it up and go, unless i'm riding with my roommate, then i have to wait for his f3 to warm up a bit.

SoCal94F2 · 04-15-2008, 12:14 AM

Carbs can be just as much of a hassle in warm weather too. Evaporating fuel will leave resin on the pilot and idle jets making them run crappy at lower rpms/load. But if you ride frequently or drain the bowls, its not really an issue at all.

quickslick444 · 06-01-2008, 4:30 PM

They might be dinosaurs but they still haul major tail. Ive beaten a F4I on my 91 F2.

cbr ty · 09-12-2008, 9:48 PM

you aint lying.....i just smoked my cuz on my 1992 f2 the other day and he has a 2002 f4i....not the bike ya'll, its the rider

TX_CBRRIDER88 · 09-15-2008, 1:12 AM

Depending on how much you want to spend, and of course how quick you want a bike is how I would decide what to get. I just bought a 94' f2 for half of what you'll spend for a f4. Yes it might be a little older, but you can always sell it when you can afford to upgrade to something newer. You can find good bikes on craigslist.com from private partys, instead of paying tons at a bike store. Of course you know what you want, so go for what you desire. You only live once.

Rickracer · 09-15-2008, 4:16 PM

Unless you pay waaay too much for an F2 or F3, you can always get your money back out of it pretty quickly when you're ready to upgrade.

TX_CBRRIDER88 · 09-15-2008, 8:05 PM

I payed 1,500 for my 94' F2.

Yes of course you get what you pay for, but a few tweaks and mods, it'll be a bad ### bike. As long as the frame, motor and tranny are in good condition, the rest can all be fixed or replaced.

cbr ty · 09-15-2008, 8:36 PM

HELL YEAH.....ALL BIKES ARE FAST....WHO EVER GETS THRU THE GEARS FIRST.........LOL

600f3 · 05-04-2009, 6:49 PM

wats a reasonable price for a 97 honda cbr 600f3

whiteknuckled08 · 05-04-2009, 9:39 PM

i had a 1998 F3 with a yosh full race pipe, jetted, k&n,power commander, down one tooth in the front that would walk all over a F4i. I was clocked at 169mph in between the main gate and the pistol range driveway at Edwards afb back in 01 by one of my friends that was a mp.

Not bad for a lil 600 with a 200lb rider..

Skikamukazi · 05-12-2009, 5:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteknuckled08

i had a 1998 F3 with a yosh full race pipe, jetted, k&n,power commander, down one tooth in the front that would walk all over a F4i. I was clocked at 169mph in between the main gate and the pistol range driveway at Edwards afb back in 01 by one of my friends that was a mp.

Not bad for a lil 600 with a 200lb rider..

No you weren't clocked at 169.

Going -1 in the front sprocket (I think) lowers your max speed. And even if it doesn't lower it, I REALLY doubt a '98 F3 is going to hit that kind of speed unless you're on a 89 degree slope going down a ridiculous hill.

Oh, and since when can you put a Power Commander in a carburated bike? (sarcasm) I'm pretty sure PCs are for fuel injected bikes.

So next time you want to speak some BS (Most likely the case), at least make it seem more realistic. Cool?

whiteknuckled08 · 05-13-2009, 1:04 AM

well i tell you what that bike with the mods i had would run high 11s at the Palmdale,ca LACR raceway @116mph 1/4 MILE with my big a__ on it with more rpms to go. and yes you can or least you could get a power commander for a 98 f3 it has several settings inside the top cover with 4 different rocker switches for the different mods( ie; pipe,jets,cams, race pipe) it changes the timing and would raise the top rpms 500-1000 rpms if i remember right,i sold my pc on ebay to a guy in texas before i sold the bike back in 2004. check your facts before you run your pie hole next time. and the only reason i went down 1 tooth on the front was to be able to get the front end up in the air easier at higher speeds.how many 600 have you seen that can pull the front tire up with just the throttle with 200lb rider. 169mph was faster then my buddies r1 he brought back from japan with him, my other buddy on a gsxr 750, a cbr900 that was with me at the time, do you have any friends that are cops with a long straight road and nothing better to do then have friends see how fast they can go, to do high speed runs on late at night, that just happen to have a radar gun, heck we use to race the cop cars coming back on base . i will give you that those bikes should have been faster then mine but i was the craziest of all. I wrecked that bike 3 times because i was either checker or wreckers when i rode. i never followed i was always in the lead no matter what. some times it cost me but thats the way i was then, now with the 1krr i just tend to ride easy nothing more to prove i guess.

dondi · 05-13-2009, 11:16 PM

I'd go for the most recent bike you can afford from the F4/F4i group with a nod to the F4i just because living with FI is usually a little easier than living with carbs. But that shouldn't be a deal breaker if you can get a nice F4 for a great price.
As has been pointed out the F4 and the F4i are very, very similar bikes other than the FI and all the stuff that goes along with that.
A good rider on an F4 (or a F3,F2, or the old Hurricane) will ride away from a new rider on an F4i.

Skikamukazi · 05-14-2009, 11:03 AM

You are so full of crap, haha.

The fact that you claim to have a PC on your old carb'd bike says enough.

whiteknuckled08 · 05-17-2009, 3:03 AM

sorry wrong name it was a v&h powerpack it does the same thing as the pc but it was for non injected bikes. check out this link with a post about it.1998 CBR600 F3 Power Commander

still running your pie hole

Skikamukazi · 05-18-2009, 9:09 AM

That thread you posted a link to is talking about jet kits, not PCs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteknuckled08

i had a 1998 F3 with a yosh full race pipe, jetted, k&n,power commander, down one tooth in the front that would walk all over a F4i.

You said it was jetted AND had a PC? That thread you linked me to is about jet kits for your carbs. You then stated you didn't mean to call it a PC, but it was something else? Then why the hell did you post that it was jetted AND had a PC? You're really bad at covering your tracks.

And besides that, it wouldn't get to 169 MPH even if it had every mod you listed there. Specially with the sprocket you have on it.

And another thing I just noticed...

You said you didn't mean to call it a PC, then why did you say that you sold the PC to a guy from Texas? Or did you sell your used Vance and Hines Power Pack, taking them off your bike, putting them on ebay, and shipping them to Texas just to sell the bike? Come on... you know you were trying to say that your CBR had a PC on it, and now that you've been spotted you're trying to get yourself out of a hole.

whiteknuckled08 · 05-18-2009, 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skikamukazi

That thread you posted a link to is talking about jet kits, not PCs.

You said it was jetted AND had a PC? That thread you linked me to is about jet kits for your carbs. You then stated you didn't mean to call it a PC, but it was something else? Then why the hell did you post that it was jetted AND had a PC? You're really bad at covering your tracks.

And besides that, it wouldn't get to 169 MPH even if it had every mod you listed there. Specially with the sprocket you have on it.

And another thing I just noticed...

You said you didn't mean to call it a PC, then why did you say that you sold the PC to a guy from Texas? Or did you sell your used Vance and Hines Power Pack, taking them off your bike, putting them on ebay, and shipping them to Texas just to sell the bike? Come on... you know you were trying to say that your CBR had a PC on it, and now that you've been spotted you're trying to get yourself out of a hole.

Dude your f-in reading into this to much.

Yes I mistakenly

said that I had a pc when it was a v&h powerpack and yes I removed (v&h powerpack)it before i sold the bike. And sold it (v&h powerpack) on ebay to a guy in TX along with my race pipe.
And if you read the whole tread it went on to talk about the v&h powerpack in the last post by "socal94f2". Oh and by the way i hit 170mph on the speedo on my 1krr8 last night and it still had lots more to go. Do you want to tell me that this bike wont go that fast to.

And i love it when a newbie that has only been riding for a couple of months knows everything already. and here is another post from "socal94f2" F2 to F4i body Swap Complete - Pics & Questions where he got 157mph out of his f2. 169mph is what the radar gun was reading when my cop/MP buddy showed it to my friends and I.

Did I break this down enough for you. Or should I Barny (Big purple dino)it up some more for the newbie.
Heres a whole tread on the powerpack read up buddy!!! It's about what it is and when and where to find them.
Vance & Hines Powerpak?? - RRZone Forums

Skikamukazi · 05-19-2009, 9:00 AM

His 157 was indicated, not radar speed. Address the issue with the sprockets. You changed the sprockets for faster acceleration or to be able to bring up the wheel at higher speeds, but that lowers top end speed! The guy who did the F2 > F4i body swap would have a faster bike than you did buddy. After his fairings were changed he lowered the weight of the bike. And he had stock sprockets, which are better for top end speed than your sprocket kit. You have to consider that I've been researching riding for a long time. CCS and MotoGP have been my two favorite racing leagues since I was 11 years old. All the threads you have linked me to don't prove a single thing or validate anything. The fact is that 600CC bikes in the late 90's didn't have the technology to go that fast. And I can't stress enough how changing the sprockets the way you claim LOWERS top speed...

And yes, a 1krr8 will do 170, that I will not argue.

Rickracer · 05-19-2009, 10:34 AM

Changing to a lower tooth count up front does NOT necessarily lower top speed, if it allows the motor to use it's power better. I'm not a top speed kinda guy, but I don't know if the bike in question would be able to pull to redline in high gear with a stock sprocket, it definitely would with a 14 tooth up front. If it WOULD pull to redline or higher in high gear with the stock sprockets, then your argument is correct.

Skikamukazi · 05-19-2009, 10:56 AM

That's what I'm saying, that bike was too under-powered to get to red-line even with some of those mods. The bike wasn't aerodynamic enough and it weighed too much. A 14 tooth up front would help it get to red line, but would also lower the top end speed of the bike I think.

whiteknuckled08 · 05-19-2009, 11:46 AM

thank you Rickracer... and by the way Skikamukazi. I did have a set of airtech f23 fiberglass fairings on the bike that lowered the weight a lot. And for what it matters I don't really care if you beleave me or not I was there and you where not right. And I would hope that a radar would be more accurate at that speed then a speedo would be. And did you really understand what rickracer said in his post. He was saying that the bike would pull to redline or past with a 14 tooth up front.And going down 1 tooth really does not effect the top speed it just lets the motor provide a little more tq in higher gears to pull more rpms.
But anyways man just have fun and just remember there's only 2 kinds of riders. Those who have gone down and those that are going to go down.