Originally Posted by Mako
Just a few Observations about the Motorcyclist Liter Bike Shootout Part I that was released in the issue received today (yes, I know that its results have been discussed before):
1. The Honda 1000rr was a bit under performing compared to the one they had before. HOWEVER, it was only down by 0.06 sec in the 1/4--this is not significant.
Absolutely not. Maybe for dragracers or something.
Note: I have voted with my $$$ and sold my awesome 954 w/arata to get the 1000rr when I could have purchased the 10zr or the R1 for less). .
I might have kept the 954rr but I totally understand wanting a new bike.
2. The Honda is a FAT PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! The biggest saving grace is that the Honda has a stainless steel exhaust exhaust that looks very heavy. A full Arata should shave at least 10-14lbs off the bike. The R1 is 17 lbs lighter than the 1000rr and comes with a TI exhaust stock). I believe the 10zr has TI plus it uses a traditional exhaust. .
I don't think it's a fat pig, if it was 50 lbs heavier than its' closest competitor I'd give you that. What is it like 17 lbs. heavier than the R1. If I was racing maybe, but Honda has always built the best streetbike.
3. The entire R1 midrange is MIA--this is the biggest reason I passed on the R1 (I ride at least 80% canyons and street and the rest track).
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. The RR's bottom end looks very good and feels very nice. My RC's power comes on hard at 4500 RPM's, seat o the pants, feels like the CBR starts to really bring it at 5500 RPM's.
Either way, the holes in the R1's powerband are noticeable on the graph.
4. The 10zr appears to be a handful in ways that hamper full use of its power.
This should be a very important detail to people purchasing any of these new bikes. Bwhip posted some of the Performance bike comparo, and from what he posted they really liked the Blade and the '03/'04 GSXR1K. With that light weight and that power, sounds like a very nervous front end (note the wheelbase also) and a very tank slap happy bike.
5. The R1 has headshake issues.
I can confirm that yes it does and the CBR does NOT, finally!
I rode with a guy that wrecked his R1 on the track (was riding his FJR at the time) and while commented on the riding position of the CBR, and the weight, I asked what happen on the track. "The R1s have always had nervous, tank slap front ends, this one does too. I came out of a corner hard on the gas and the front end got light, tankslapped..." etc, etc. No thanks, I'll take the extra weight if it means added stability.
6. The Honda is still down on power. The only saving grace here may be that the stock Honda exhaust appears to be very restrictive--may be some ponies hiding!
I really don't think so. You have to look at all that magazine crap, and this is if you knitpicking #'s. From what I gather from looking at zine comparos from across the pond and here in the states, and exhaust mfr results for their new slipons/full systems, the new Blade is like 150-153RWHP, and in the same comparos I see the Ninja having like 5 more HP. 5HP? With 150RWHP on tap? With this amount of power, it comes down to the package, and how it all works together.
7. What is up with the Honda website video promising, "the best handling and the fastest lap times in its class"? Seems like a tall order right now, although Part II of the test hopefully will cover this.
I'm in agreement with most of what you have said along with this line. But maybe, just maybe, fastest lap times for average riders, IE not fuggin' journalists and racers. What about the rest of us? I don't ride bikes for a zine daily or have the $ or desire to race. Which bike is going to be fastest, or the easiest to go fast on? Which bike is probably going to be the fastest for the average rider out there, and the majority of people buying these things (please excuse the jackass squids here)? Just an opinion, but I'd bet the Honda.
No flames please--I love my bike, but just wish Honda would have turned up the heat a bit right out of the box.
For them, I think they have. They are a very conservative company. Routinely, their compression ratios are lower (at least I think so), and they don't completely string out the compression or capabilities stock. They do this so the bike is more reliable than anything out there. In fact, I think their bikes are the most reliable bikes on the market. When I buy anything, i ask myself, if I get stuck with this, will it last? I can't say that for some of the other mfr's. I can't recall reading someone saying that put X amount of miles on a Ninja or a gixxer, I can say this about Hondas.
It honestly sounds like you are trying to evaluate this to the fullest before you plop down your hard earned currency, very understandable, and aren't trying to start some gay Taz type comparo thread
I've only put 400 miles on my new Blade, but I really like it. Think 929/954 with more power, seat o the pants (opinion) more down low (I think Torque at this point, still breaking my engine in so I haven't hammered the throttle from different RPMs, only short bursts, shortshifting at the same time), much more solid front end, much more stable chassis (more confidence for me leaned over), and a better overall package. The bike doesn't feel heavy to me (yes, yes I know I own a RC) and when you get going, the thing flicks fast and stable. And I don't really think it's off or that far off from anything in the class, they are all right there in acceleration, you won't notice the difference on anything but at the track running at 9/10ths or 10/10ths, streetrider forget it, they are all too damn fast. I think as a package, the bike is very fuggin good, and I don't regret my purchase one bit, despite some bs zine articles. And anyway, seems as if the europress begs to differ from what we are reading stateside. I'll know more when I've broken the engine in to my liking and I'm able to flog the thing for a full day (true test). The guy with the R1 admitted that the fairings on the Honda are of much higher quality, I'd agree, but I would say that about the entire bike.