Ram air for 954

larddog954 · 06-05-2003, 7:53 AM

Hi everyone. I am a new member so pardon my ignorance. I sent Abtech a message about ram air and wanted to get all of your opinions also. I have a '03 954 and I am considering adding ram air. Does anyone make premade scoops? Are there HP gains to be had? Has anyone dyno'd a 954 before and after adding ram air? Any info would be a big help. Thanks.

glory452 · 06-05-2003, 3:46 PM

i'd love some ram air too......the only thing is where to find it??

PATBAROK · 06-05-2003, 6:49 PM

try hardracing.com

abtech · 06-05-2003, 6:51 PM

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PATBAROK : try hardracing.com

Don't bother, it doesn't work . . .

PATBAROK · 06-05-2003, 7:36 PM

hey abtech,
so what does work?? i wanna know! plus let me know where i can get the motul 5100 oil for a decent price,like internet or mail order???

abtech · 06-05-2003, 8:07 PM

Look in the archives from the old site. I spent about 100 hours developing a system that did work and believe me, if you don't have a working knowledge of fiberglass work, exponential horn flow and lot's of time (and a decent amount of money), you will be disappointed.

Try StreetandComp.com for the Motul. Call and ask for Dan Bowen and mention .org

fastjester · 06-06-2003, 10:10 AM

Hardracing quit makeing the ram air but, they say they are making an air box that will give you 6-8 hp.

glory452 · 06-06-2003, 11:50 AM

i'm right down the road from hardracing. They quit making the ram air because the molding company wanted to charge a butt-load to redo the molds or something. I've never heard him talking about the airbox.........i'll ask him about that today if i can get down there.

954spider · 06-06-2003, 12:16 PM

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larddog954 : Hi everyone. *I am a new member so pardon my ignorance. *I sent Abtech a message about ram air and wanted to get all of your opinions also. *I have a '03 954 and I am considering adding ram air. *Does anyone make premade scoops? *Are there HP gains to be had? *Has anyone dyno'd a 954 before and after adding ram air? *Any info would be a big help. *Thanks.

What about these people. They are international but they seem to have something that work. Ram-Air and CAI.

http://www.motopower.co.uk/Products/...s.php?catid=12

NineFiftyFour · 06-06-2003, 7:43 PM

I'm curious, has anyone tried removing the snorkles, and just letting the engine draw the air into the box naturally?

Those snorkles look pretty small at the opening....

roger954 · 06-06-2003, 8:09 PM

Hot bodies racing has one it just came out this week a friend of mine just put it on his bike we are supposed to ride tomorrow I will let you know it looks good he says and supposedly performs well. website is boxrair.com,not on site yet but it is available.

ratter · 06-06-2003, 9:11 PM

This may be but
let me be the first to you to the org

Bacchus · 06-06-2003, 9:38 PM

Is anyone listening to abtech? He has been down this road - save yourself some time and money and do a search on the old forum. Not trying to be a dick, but I think the voice of experience is worth listening to

fusion929rr · 06-06-2003, 11:28 PM

Don't get me wrong abtech knows quite a bit, but he is quite capable of being wrong. *I know for a fact that it is possible to
install ram air with noticable results, a buddy of mine has a 929 and i rode it before and after the ram air install, and yes i noticed a difference. *A local machinist made the system and he is making me a set. I will try to get some info from him so that others can benefit from his system. *He charges $150 for the set. *Wanna buy one abtech??

Bacchus · 06-07-2003, 12:16 AM

fusion, don't get ME wrong. I don't know abtech personally, but from what I've read of his posts, he seems to be quite knowledgeable in the ways of m/c engines. I would love to see your results posted here on the forum - seriously! The question is, is what your local machinist fabricating true ram air, or a semblance thereof?

ratter · 06-07-2003, 11:35 PM

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Bacchus : fusion, don't get ME wrong. *I don't know abtech personally, but from what I've read of his posts, he seems to be quite knowledgeable in the ways of m/c engines. *I would love to see your results posted here on the forum - seriously! *The question is, is what your local machinist fabricating true ram air, or a semblance thereof?

Plus abtech takes his bike to the track to see if the mods have resulted in a faster bike and lap times, not just a seat of the pants type dyno which most of use

fusion929rr · 06-08-2003, 12:30 PM

Abtech's lap times went down, and a dyno would'nt show the effect of the ram air. Unless it was in a wind tunnel.

Cowboy · 06-08-2003, 9:38 PM

Larddog, If your talking about adding ram air to race bodywork you can get a brief discription of what I did here, scroll down to bottom. My bike is definately stronger than last season but I have also added a full Hindle since then.

Ninefiftyfour, I ran w/o the snorkels last season w/o any notice change in performance from stock.

abtech · 06-09-2003, 9:50 AM

If someone had actually taken the time (and my advice) to read in the archives, they would have known what that funny box shaped hole in the nose of my bike (pictured in my avatar) was all about. I said that it DID make a difference and have some 50 plus hours on track testing and tuning the system (along with the 100 or so hours of design and contruction) to prove it.

What most people don't understand is that it is quite impossible to see any real effect while sitting on a dyno unless you use a compressor driven attached air ram that can be calibrated to duplicate air pressure at speed. If I had to guess, I would say that the total HP gain was in the 4 to 5 area, but very consistent once you get above 80 mph or so. The only real empirical data was the trap speeds which were between 1 and 3 mph higher with the ram system on the front straight at Grattan.

If you read through the archive material, you will see that I did quite a bit of work on sealing and isolating the airbox from engine heat. The whole reason behind the project was to get some additional power without any internal engine work. I wanted to keep the motor entirely stock except for external mods.

abtech · 06-09-2003, 9:51 AM

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fusion929rr : Don't get me wrong abtech knows quite a bit, but he is quite capable of being wrong. *I know for a fact that it is possible to
install ram air with noticable results, a buddy of mine has a 929 and i rode it before and after the ram air install, and yes i noticed a difference. *A local machinist made the system and he is making me a set. I will try to get some info from him so that others can benefit from his system. *He charges $150 for the set. *Wanna buy one abtech??

Do you want to buy one that works?

larddog954 · 06-10-2003, 11:24 AM

Thanks for all the info guys! It sounds like to me that unless your a bodywork/fiberglass/plastic guru-it isn't worth messing with. Which does't explain factory ram air scoops and why they work (or if they work) such as the ones on the F4i. A couple of you gave me some good ideas. I'm waiting to hear back from you to see if your ram air 'connections' provide real world gains. Thanks everyone!

Kookie · 06-10-2003, 11:38 AM

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larddog954 : Thanks for all the info guys! *It sounds like to me that unless your a bodywork/fiberglass/plastic guru-it isn't worth messing with. *Which does't explain factory ram air scoops and why they work (or if they work) *such as the ones on the F4i. *A couple of you gave me some good ideas. *I'm waiting to hear back from you to see if your ram air 'connections' provide real world gains. *Thanks everyone!

NOTE: the factory provided scoops are not a RAM Air system, but simply 'forced induction'. *When a certain air pressure is achieved in the airbox the air begins to be forced out of the other duct, thereby negating the affects that true RAM Air provide (a pressurized air box). *Cold air induction IS better than nothing, but doesnt provide the benefits that RAM Air do - requiring more fuel to be added with the extra air that is being ingested.

I am by no means an expert in this Field, but I have learned quit a bit via the info. posted through the years on the forum, what I have read, and what I have learned through the Aerospace industry.

Have fun!

*edit* grammatical error got the best of me

BDA116 · 06-10-2003, 11:46 AM

When a bike comes from the factory with air induction scoops, it has had an hour (or two) spent on the design work. Honda has an R&D department that has a couple bucks and a man or two to spend on this kinda stuff. The factory race teams benefit from a couple bucks of R&D also. There are full kits out there, like the one from QB Carbon, that actually make a difference, but other than that you will have to spend time and money for something that will only make a difference when you are racing the bike - and to the limits where you need an extra 2 or 3 percent.
Honda decided it wasn't worth the extra investment to put it on the 929/954, as they knew the bikes would be ridden on the street by a majority of the buyers.
Now that air induction has become a huge fad that everyone 'needs' on their sportbike, you can bet that the next gen bike will have it.

luvtolean · 06-10-2003, 1:10 PM

I have the QB Carbon airbox, and I think it did make a minimal difference. If you have a trackbike, I'd be happy to sell it to you.

Note, this was the system used by Honda on the IOM, so it probably isn't the worst design out there.

Hardracing selling an airbox that makes 6-8 HP? They're . Don't Bogart that joint...

drussell101 · 06-12-2003, 10:30 PM

I got one fromMy Webpage It is suppost to give 10-14 bwhp. I have gottin it fully installed and have put about an hour on it. I can not power it up in 2nd and 1st is crazy cool. I am going for a dyno on next Tuesday at 5:00pm. By the way that is 10-14 on a normal dyno. Most are seeing 150 to 155 depending on the dyno. It is not a bad mod but does take a while to put in. About 5-6 hours. Check out My Webpage under tech. Good luck

drussell101 · 06-12-2003, 10:34 PM

Sorry I do not know what the happened www.hotbodies.com
It is 450.00. Not bad even it you get 8hp that is about 2hp per 100.00. Most of us spend about 100.00 per hp. Pipe and pc3 or pc3r 1000.00 to get 10 to 15 hp gain. Makes good sense to me.

superRR · 06-13-2003, 3:32 PM

i removed the snokles on my 54 and have noticed a difference in peformance and sound quality. u can get the hotbodies airbox from tobefast.com for alot cheaper then 450.

ConqSoft · 06-13-2003, 3:33 PM

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drussell101 : Sorry I do not know what the happened www.hotbodies.com
It is 450.00. Not bad even it you get 8hp that is about 2hp per 100.00. Most of us spend about 100.00 per hp. Pipe and pc3 or pc3r 1000.00 to get 10 to 15 hp gain. *Makes good sense to me.

I think you mean: http://www.hotbodiesracing.com/

And there's no way it will give you 8hp.

Trackho · 06-13-2003, 8:24 PM

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drussell101 : I got one from<a href='www.hotbodies.com' target='_blank'>My Webpage</a> It is suppost to give 10-14 bwhp. *I have gottin it fully installed and have put about an hour on it. *I can not power it up in 2nd and 1st is crazy cool. *I am going for a dyno on next Tuesday at 5:00pm. *By the way that is 10-14 on a normal dyno. *Most are seeing 150 to 155 depending on the dyno. *It is not a bad mod but does take a while to put in. About 5-6 hours. *Check out <a href='www.954rr,com' target='_blank'>My Webpage</a> under tech. Good luck

Just curious--how do they simulate moving air on the dyno for 01-15HP??? The dyno must be in a wind tunnel--sounds FUBAR to me