Honda FireBlade: Discussion of the Honda CBR 900RR, Honda CBR 929RR, Honda CBR 954RR, and Honda CBR 1000RR Motorcycles.
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04-25-2004, 2:58 AM
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Join Date: 12-21-2001 Location: NorCal
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| 1000RR Review 1000RR Review
Ill keep it short--Go buy one, this bike is friggin awesome. I have only put 350 mi on mine, and I have nothing but good to say about it.
0)The HRC version did NOT come to fuition so I bought a street version (R/B)
1) The motor is incerdibly smooth--rivals the Blackbird
1.5) It is deceptively fast, you think you are cruising along and you are into triple digits (in a controlled environment of course--)
1.6) the steering dampner is a trip, it combined with the longer swingarm keeps the bike hella-stable at speed, but it still turns in really fast(takes some gettin used to)I havent noticed any interfence with the bikes flickability(as pointed out by a magazine review)--Ill have a better idea after Laguna Seca
2) Power is totally linear, and it has tons of grunt
3) Handling is wicked-front biased as promised which I love, Doesnt feel overweight at all to me, very flickable, also feels lower than the 929--but theres a lot of ground clearance.
4) Brakes--couldnt ask for anything more
5) Suspension--for the track--needs an Ohlins in the rear--for the street its fine as is(with some adj)
6) Jacked a bunch of preload in the front forks, feels great for the street. Im gonna have Dan Kyle revalve/spring next week prior to trackdays/racing.
7) You can put your wallet, cell phone, smokes in the back "trunk"-- good enough for me
8) After my current 1000RR turns into a dedicated trackbike, I am going to sell the CBR1100XX, and get an 1000RR for the street
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04-25-2004, 9:58 AM
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Join Date: 05-26-2001 Location: Concord, NH, USA
Bike(s): 2001 929 Age: 34 Posts: 4,725
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| Re: 1000RR Review Sweet. How are the ergos compared to the 929? |
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04-25-2004, 11:01 AM
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Join Date: 01-03-2002 Location: Sydney, Australia. I'm American, just ask Baketech
Bike(s): CBR1000RR Posts: 593
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by nhfirefighter13 Sweet. How are the ergos compared to the 929? | The bars are lower but I find it pretty comfortable (I had a 929 before). The pegs are higher but again I find it fine. |
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04-25-2004, 11:50 AM
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Join Date: 11-26-2002 Location: S2KI.com
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| Re: 1000RR Review and I'm still waiting.......................................  |
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04-25-2004, 12:02 PM
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Join Date: 08-09-2001 Location: Vermont
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| Re: 1000RR Review I would be interested to see what degree the trunk gets up to? I imagine it might cook the cell phone! |
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04-25-2004, 1:30 PM
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Join Date: 11-26-2002 Location: S2KI.com
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Originally Posted by showmethebombs I would be interested to see what degree the trunk gets up to? I imagine it might cook the cell phone! | the vibrations might be even more detrimental to the celly than the heat? |
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04-25-2004, 3:11 PM
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#7 | | Mr. Brownstone
Join Date: 02-07-2002 Location: UT
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by Trackho ....dampner....... | Hehe - you said dampner.
I'll admit I'm fighting picking one up, but I just have to remind myself how much fun I had on the street with my 954.
Congrats, though.  |
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04-25-2004, 8:28 PM
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Join Date: 02-22-2004 Location: Melb, Aust
Bike(s): 2004 CBR1000RR RIP @->->-- Age: 33 Posts: 3,585
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by showmethebombs I would be interested to see what degree the trunk gets up to? I imagine it might cook the cell phone! | Doing it a couple of times should be ok but regularly throwing it into the boot wouldn't be a good idea, it gets pretty damn warm in there. The repeated heating and cooling would probably be a bad thing for the mobile and I'm sure you could arrange it so that the phone was wedged in there nicely to overcome the vibes.
In the colder months you might be able to do some kind of ducted heating arrangement. |
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04-25-2004, 8:43 PM
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Join Date: 08-09-2001 Location: Vermont
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| Re: 1000RR Review I think its cool how you guys call it the mobile...that's what I have starting calling mine. Seems to be a US thing, to call it a cell, I mean.
It would be an interesting thing to see the temp, and one could check it out with an indoor outdoor thermo. Whos going to do the test for us? I would, but I am lacking in the 1000RR dept. Those big ass vents must duct some in there right? not much though I bet...wonder if they could be rerounted to the air box. ( totally kidding ) |
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04-25-2004, 8:48 PM
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Join Date: 06-13-2001 Location: Raleigh, NC
Bike(s): 2003 BabyRR Age: 32 Posts: 3,986
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| Re: 1000RR Review it gets hot as hell in the trunk of my 600RR, this I know! No way am I putting my "mobile" back there...
In the trunk of my RC, I "eff'd" up my 2 way pager because of the vibration, never again I say...
Good review trackho! |
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04-25-2004, 8:48 PM
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Join Date: 02-22-2004 Location: Melb, Aust
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by showmethebombs I think its cool how you guys call it the mobile...that's what I have starting calling mine. Seems to be a US thing, to call it a cell, I mean.
It would be an interesting thing to see the temp, and one could check it out with an indoor outdoor thermo. Whos going to do the test for us? I would, but I am lacking in the 1000RR dept. Those big ass vents must duct some in there right? not much though I bet...wonder if they could be rerounted to the air box. ( totally kidding ) | Mobile works for me too.
I'm not sure how effective the rear vents are, my legs would seem to be largely blocking the air flow into them. Plus they only direct the air around the outside of the boot so the warm air in there isn't going anywhere. I'll grab a thermometer and see what happens today. |
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04-25-2004, 11:01 PM
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Join Date: 02-22-2004 Location: Melb, Aust
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| Re: 1000RR Review the ride into work only took about 10 minutes and the bike got a little bit of stick on the onramp to hte freeway.
The temp was 22 before I took off. At the end of the ride the engine was sitting at 93 degrees celcius once I stopped moving, and the boot was only at 30 degrees celcius after I parked and checked it out. So I guess its not too bad, but a longer ride might be different. |
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04-25-2004, 11:53 PM
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Join Date: 04-11-2004 Location: Western Nebraska, USA
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| Re: 1000RR Review The biggest concern for the mobile would be the battery. Hot and cold reduce it's life. It will get to where it doesn't hold a charge as long WAY before the phone is hurt from the heat. |
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04-26-2004, 12:32 AM
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Join Date: 07-26-2001 Location: NorCal
Bike(s): 2000 R6 (no lights, speedo just a number plate) Age: 34 Posts: 191
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| Re: 1000RR Review I'm not sure how functional the "vent" is in the back. If you take the rear cowl off, you will see there is only a tiny slit for the air to enter.
I'd think the seat cowl replacement would be much more effective in releasing heat. |
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04-26-2004, 1:26 AM
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Join Date: 01-03-2002 Location: Sydney, Australia. I'm American, just ask Baketech
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| Re: 1000RR Review I can confirm that the boot will hold ONE dvd case. Albeit a little tight. |
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04-26-2004, 1:27 AM
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Join Date: 01-03-2002 Location: Sydney, Australia. I'm American, just ask Baketech
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by knip I'm not sure how functional the "vent" is in the back. If you take the rear cowl off, you will see there is only a tiny slit for the air to enter.
I'd think the seat cowl replacement would be much more effective in releasing heat. |
I was shattered to find out that the ram air ducts on the front are fake!! The real ram air duct is just above the radiator.
Little cheesy from Honda I reckon. |
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04-26-2004, 3:09 AM
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Join Date: 01-26-2002 Location: DeeFDubya
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| Re: 1000RR Review Since Trackho started it, I'll add some comments about the bike. I got to flog it for the first time today. Busy keeping up with Holeshot's throttle happy ass today on the Olympic Peninsula...
Between 8-11k, this fuggin bike is like riding a bull who has just had his nuts chopped off. It's very fast, the motor is so smooth doing it, the speed just creeps up. Leaned over, this bike is just as stable as the RC51 or at least close, and that is saying heaps, Honda has done their homework again. The bike simply puts the power to the ground, I wasn't getting wheelspin today at all. The BT014s grip well, they don't stick like the M1s, but they are grippy, predictable, and phenomenal tires, a definitive step up from the BT010s that I once used. With the RC, I can (comparison sake here) lean it over on the edge of the tire at will once the tires are somewhat heated. I can hang off of it, whatever, I was close to doing that today on stock suspension. My RC has full ohlins all the way around.
What else... The damper you don't even think about it. I felt it actually once today, because I hit the throttle on a crest and the front wheel got a few inches off the ground and started skipping, I could feel the pull of that damper somehow.. I kept leaning it over, and whacking the throttle with a gradual motion from slow to fast, not WFO all at once, a nice smooth roll...
The bike just stuck to the ground and tookoff, no light front end, no nothing, solid stability. I'm in awe of how stable this thing really is, with a Ohlins in the back and DK forks, Omgoodness, I might be going to jail if caught
It's really frikkin hard to upset the suspension, between the chassis and shock/forks, the damn thing just soaks it up.
The ergos will take a little getting used to. Feels a lot like the RC when it was stock (no Sato Clip Ons), semi rack. It is comfortable enough for 100-150 miles, longer days (We rode a little over 300 today), my upper back was sore. I'll definitely be looking forward to Mr. Satosan making some bars for this one  The seat didn't really bother me much today, I just move around a lot so that helps, Corbin couldn't hurt.
This is the best stock bike I've ever ridden. That whole bike or whole package **** that Honda has advertised isn't just marketing, it's the truth. The bike as a package is unlike anything I've ridden (stock), when you are riding it, the bike just feels solid, and like each part was made perfectly to go with the other perfect part if that makes any sense. I think the press and many others have underestimated this bike. If all the magz hated it, I'd still laugh at them. Some (MO, Cyclenews, and the Europress) are hailing it. Trackho saying he wants 2 of them should speak heaps. You've never ridden a bike like this. The bike just sticks to the turns.
Last thing I can think of is the sound and exhaust when you get in the upper RPM range, it sounds nice, very growly instead of that high whine that I associate with a Yosh piped Gixxer (sorry Chain  ).
Whatever they are charging for it, is a steal.
Edit: Forgot to mention the flick and the stick.
It flicks as easy at the 929/954.
The stick. These brakes are fuggin incredible. The feel is as good as the stopping power, they are progressive. I lofted the rear a couple of times (inches not feet). Following Holeshot today, he and I both overshot some turns (fargin no riding winter  ) and I had to get on the brakes while leaned over, let's just say they are very forgiving, and the bike in a whole is forgiving. With stainless lines (from the master cylinder to the Y, is rubber, I think the rest is stainless/kevlar) and HRC pads, you'd be hard pressed to find a better braking system anywhere, including some racebikes.
Last edited by booth23 : 04-26-2004 at 3:50 AM.
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04-26-2004, 11:06 AM
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Join Date: 12-21-2001 Location: NorCal
Bike(s): 1000RR Posts: 925
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by matt232 Doing it a couple of times should be ok but regularly throwing it into the boot wouldn't be a good idea, it gets pretty damn warm in there. The repeated heating and cooling would probably be a bad thing for the mobile and I'm sure you could arrange it so that the phone was wedged in there nicely to overcome the vibes.
In the colder months you might be able to do some kind of ducted heating arrangement. | Bullshit--it doesnt even get warm--charging your phone will get it waaaaaaaaay hotter
I do find it interesting that given the entire review, what some people focus on is the cell-phone friendliness of the trunk---why I dont post that often on the org---what a bunch of blingin posers 
Last edited by Trackho : 04-26-2004 at 11:08 AM.
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04-26-2004, 11:27 AM
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Join Date: 07-25-2002 Location: Ridgecrest, CA
Bike(s): 04 600RR, 03 XR50, 05 TC250 Age: 66 Posts: 4,668
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by Trackho 1000RR Review | All i hear is bla bla bla bla bla...  I don't want to hear it....I am happy with my 954....*talking to myself*...*.my 954 is all I need...resist the urge*...  So when you letting me ride it?  |
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04-26-2004, 11:33 AM
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Join Date: 05-08-2003 Location: Plano, Texas (DFW)
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| Re: 1000RR Review I SAT on one this weekend. It FELT HEAVY. That worried me. Compared to the 954, it feels like it has an extra 50 lbs up high. Good to hear all the postives about it. Congrats to you guys and hope you have lots of fun with the bike!
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04-26-2004, 1:02 PM
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Join Date: 04-17-2002 Location: Cool, CA
Bike(s): 929, EX250rrr Age: 46 Posts: 1,666
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| Re: 1000RR Review I couldn't finish reading your review after the HRC comment...too busy trying to figure out why it took me two years to realize you have a dual personality.
You guys make the 1000RR sound great. The comment about replacing an XX with one pretty much sums it up (for a street guy like me). |
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04-26-2004, 3:42 PM
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Join Date: 04-26-2003 Location: Oslo, Norway
Bike(s): 2001 CBR929rr Silver of course : ) Age: 37 Posts: 692
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| Re: 1000RR Review The Norwegian Honda importer arranged a "test ride day" today, and it rained like hell... I booked a flight after work and got to ride it in pouring rain for 30 minutes
The shitty weather made performance testing hard, but at least I got to try it..
What really amazed me was how incredibly stable it was! Guess the HESD does what it's supposed to even when riding on the highway. The footpegs are noticably higher than on my 929, but I doubt they'll ever be a problem even on longer rides. I found the instruments/speedo harder to read on the 1000rr compared to my 929. I did one U-turn with it, and I think it can turn in a smaller circle than my bike at walking speed. Never noticed the weight everybody talks about. I found it very easy to ride even at very slow speeds. Didn't check out the boot.. Seat felt harder/more narrow but I could live with that..
Loved it, but I think I'll stick with my 929 for a while longer.  Sucks not being loaded
If it wasn't for the sick pricetag here in Norway, I would have bought a Red White Blue one  |
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04-26-2004, 6:54 PM
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Join Date: 01-03-2002 Location: Sydney, Australia. I'm American, just ask Baketech
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by figment I SAT on one this weekend. It FELT HEAVY. That worried me. Compared to the 954, it feels like it has an extra 50 lbs up high. Good to hear all the postives about it. Congrats to you guys and hope you have lots of fun with the bike! |
LOL I think you might need to actually go out and ride one! It craps all over the 954. |
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05-13-2004, 7:04 AM
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Join Date: 02-22-2004 Location: Melb, Aust
Bike(s): 2004 CBR1000RR RIP @->->-- Age: 33 Posts: 3,585
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| Re: 1000RR Review I've been riding around with the thermometer in the boot now for a couple of weeks......with a ambinet temp outside of around 20 degreee celcius the hottest I have seen the boot is 36 degrees, usually it is around the 30 degree mark. So its nothing worse then a hot day.......It seemed a lot hotter though before I chucked the thermometer I guess that's why experiments are a little more structured then subjective opinion.
For those that use Fahrenheit here is a converter |
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05-13-2004, 9:08 AM
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Join Date: 03-03-2003 Location: Sydney, Australia
Bike(s): 2003 CBR954RR-For sale, 2004 CBR1000RR race bike Age: 34 Posts: 999
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Originally Posted by aussie_929 LOL I think you might need to actually go out and ride one! It craps all over the 954. | I dont know where people are feeling this extra weight  It may be a few kilos heavier, but it definately has a lower center of gravity so I think it pretty much evens out! as for the extra weight being up high the 1000rr is a lot shorter (height) than the 954 so it doesnt even have places that the 954 does up high! just checkout mine and Aussie 929 comparo Pics!
I rode them back to back at the track and the 1000rr was just beautiful to ride, more flickable, could change line mid turn with ease, In away felt quite similar to the 954 just "Nicer" in every department! 
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05-13-2004, 10:51 AM
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#26 | | Activate Interlock, Dynotherms Connected
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| Re: 1000RR Review A Couple of Things - IMO of course
Weight - I do not think that most of us will notice it, I know that I could stand to loose a few kgs, unless you are 140 lbs I do not think it will play out much.
Heat - Have some one over there in Perth, WA or something Sit still at the stop lights for five minites in 40+ Celcius, let us know what the temp reading is  - oh ya you all are heading into winter now. Man I miss that place - need to move back
The mobile temp thing should not affect most people after all how hot does a bike get riding down to the starbucks  |
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05-13-2004, 10:52 AM
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Join Date: 04-23-2002 Location: Tampa, FL
Bike(s): 2002 954RR Age: 31 Posts: 210
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| Re: 1000RR Review Damn, I need to get me a 1000RR......I just might be able to break the lap record at Jennings with that thing. I'm only about 13 seconds off the record now.  ****-ass 954 is slower than ****. 
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05-13-2004, 11:04 AM
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Join Date: 03-28-2004 Location: Abilene, TX
Bike(s): 2005 black 1000RR Age: 30 Posts: 117
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| Re: 1000RR Review Quote: |
Originally Posted by aussie_929 I was shattered to find out that the ram air ducts on the front are fake!! The real ram air duct is just above the radiator... | You know, I was about to ask you 1KRR guys what the deal with that was untill I finally saw one 2 weeks ago. I always noticed them closed up from the close-ups shots on the AMA race bikes, etc.  |
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05-13-2004, 11:56 AM
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Join Date: 03-20-2004 Location: Perth Australia
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| Re: 1000RR Review No Starbucks here yet ( guess that Free Trade deal hasn't fully kicked in) but 40C over here means the coast, the Cotts and nuthin less. We were still in the low 30's just 2 weeks back and slaloming the traffic through scarbs had me sittin on 106C briefly but it quickly makes it's way back to round 80C once she spins up. This thing really needs some tracktime and Wanneroo is where I'll be booking to get some real ambient readouts soon!! One thing it sure does get warm under the old fella at lights. Asbestos linings for my threads maybe
Purpdust can I take it u r from Perth originally? Yes Winter is upon us but no hybernating over here. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Purpdust A Couple of Things - IMO of course
Weight - I do not think that most of us will notice it, I know that I could stand to loose a few kgs, unless you are 140 lbs I do not think it will play out much.
Heat - Have some one over there in Perth, WA or something Sit still at the stop lights for five minites in 40+ Celcius, let us know what the temp reading is  - oh ya you all are heading into winter now. Man I miss that place - need to move back
The mobile temp thing should not affect most people after all how hot does a bike get riding down to the starbucks  | |
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05-13-2004, 12:07 PM
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Join Date: 03-20-2004 Location: Perth Australia
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| Re: 1000RR Review hmmm,
maybe we're onto something that George Foreman could add into his ever growing grillin range.
should be great for keepin those Waffle things warm you guys have up there and these muffins that we eat down here Quote: |
Originally Posted by matt232 the ride into work only took about 10 minutes and the bike got a little bit of stick on the onramp to hte freeway.
The temp was 22 before I took off. At the end of the ride the engine was sitting at 93 degrees celcius once I stopped moving, and the boot was only at 30 degrees celcius after I parked and checked it out. So I guess its not too bad, but a longer ride might be different. | |
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