SPOOGE in my throttle bodies!

Warchild · 07-17-2003, 5:09 PM

Finally got around to replacing spark plugs last night (waaaaay overdue at 12,000 miles... I've been negligent... * )

I don't really tear into the airbox all that often, so upon close inspection, I was bummed to find all this crap you see below... what the hell is this dark grungy spooge collecting on the outside edge on the top of my throttle body valves? *Anybody?

http://www.superblackbird.com/929/TB_spoo1.jpg

Another closer shot of it:

http://www.superblackbird.com/929/TB_spoo2.jpg

So what the hell is this, gentlemen? The bike appears to run just fine as it always, no real issues there.... but I'm guessing this spoo just shouldn't be here.....

2OHOH2 · 07-17-2003, 5:12 PM

Are you talking about the oily crap, or the dark, almost black stuff?

The oil is probably normal (PAIR and whatever else enviro-friendly recirc stuff), and the dark stuff is normal too (from the factory - seen it on cars, boats, and bikes).

Warchild · 07-17-2003, 5:24 PM

The dark, almost black stuff.

The stuff that appears to be collecting only on the outer edge of the *aft* portion of the valves....

yellow arrows point to what I'm referring to:

http://www.superblackbird.com/929/TB_spoo3.jpg

Mattress · 07-17-2003, 5:25 PM

Looks like a lubricant of some sort, was it there before?

2OHOH2 · 07-17-2003, 5:27 PM

That's what I meant. I'm almost certain it's from the factory. Leave it

luvtolean · 07-17-2003, 5:31 PM

I agree with 2OHOH, that is a coating applied by Honda. Leave it.

TAZ · 07-17-2003, 5:32 PM

I don't think it's 'collecting'; it looks deliberately placed. Perhaps it's a lubricant, or perhaps it acts as some sort of sealant on that edge of the valve? (I'm just a guy who likes to ride, not a mechanic&#33

Mattress · 07-17-2003, 5:33 PM

I bet if you ground down those screw heads you could increase the flow and horsepower

2OHOH2 · 07-17-2003, 5:35 PM

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TAZ : I don't think it's 'collecting'; it looks deliberately placed. Perhaps it's a lubricant, or perhaps it acts as some sort of sealant on that edge of the valve? (I'm just a guy who likes to ride, not a mechanic&#33

TAZ

I thought you had foresaken us

luvtolean · 07-17-2003, 5:40 PM

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Mattress : I bet if you ground down those screw heads you could increase the flow and horsepower

Hehe, I put stainless button heads in mine after Fireblade_rr bored them. Less than 1 hp though.

ConqSoft · 07-17-2003, 5:40 PM

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TAZ : I'm just a guy who likes to ride

Yet also a guy with no bike to ride.

Kookie · 07-17-2003, 5:42 PM

Agreed - gasket sealant applied by OEM Honda. The concern I would have is - why the hell do you have so much oil residue in your intake chambers?!!!

abtech · 07-17-2003, 5:42 PM

That ain't spooge, it's rust-proofing. Looks like Tuff Kote got ahold of your throttle bodies . . .

BizJetGuy · 07-17-2003, 5:50 PM

looks like dynatrol (aircraft corrosion inhibitor). Nasty stuff...

TAZ · 07-17-2003, 6:00 PM

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ConqSoft : Quote (TAZ @ July 17 2003, 4:32pm)I'm just a guy who likes to ride

Yet also a guy with no bike to ride. *
Wrong! I've got a shiny Liquid Silver '02 R1 with 4500 miles on it in my garage. Mine to use as needed until it's sold. Let's just say it's very good to have generous friends with multiple bikes! (BTW - anyone looking for a low-mileage, stock, Liquid Silver '02 R1?)

I get out when I get the itch, and I even got some track time a few weeks ago. I've been very busy working a 'regular job' in addition to my nights/weekends on the event photography biz, so I don't actually have a ton of free time to ride, anyway.

(Sorry to derail the thread. Hey, wait! Conq did the derailing&#33

Fire929blade · 07-17-2003, 6:06 PM

My manual says: ' Do not apply commercially available carburetor cleaners to the inside of the throttle bore, which is coated with molybdenum'

Is this the black goo??

luvtolean · 07-17-2003, 6:10 PM

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Fire929blade : My manual says: ' Do not apply commercially available carburetor cleaners to the inside of the throttle bore, which is coated with molybdenum'

Is this the black goo??

Sounds right. Carb cleaner wiped it right off.

Warchild · 07-17-2003, 6:14 PM

Quote Looks like a lubricant of some sort, was it there before?
Hmmmm.... well, like I mentioned, I don't get into the airbox very often. In fact, only once before, to replace the air filter with a K&N. Since I didn't have to remove the stacks to do that, I really didn't peek down into the throttle bodies... so I can't say if it's 'always' *been there or not... *

Quote I don't think it's 'collecting'; it looks deliberately placed.
In a way, it does.... but why only on that one side? The side that is slightly 'lower' that the forward portion of the valves?

Unless, of course.... there is an equal 'coating' on the *underside* of the forward portion of the valves? (that we can't see since *the valves are closed)

*sigh* I'm bummin'..... *

2OHOH2 · 07-17-2003, 6:45 PM

Don't worry be happy. It's there for a good reason, and that's good enough. Just because a platypus has a beak and we don't know why (ok, so now we do, but at one point we didn't), doesn't mean it shouldn't be there

luvtolean · 07-17-2003, 7:29 PM

I always think of it this way, Honda is in this business to make money. They would not add something like this, which costs money, if they didn't think there was a good reason.

NineFiftyFour · 07-17-2003, 7:52 PM

It's not a rust stopper, or goop, or anything like that.

It is a sealant used to make sure no air gets past it when the throttle is closed. There is a small inlet for idle speed that is regulated. If you remove the 'goo' you will have gaps between the throttle plates and walls, thus causing the engine to idle erratically.

All throttle body manufacturers use this stuff to ensure a good seal. Leave it be.

Mattress · 07-17-2003, 10:06 PM

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luvtolean : I always think of it this way, Honda is in this business to make money. *They would not add something like this, which costs money, if they didn't think there was a good reason.

If they were in the business to make money, they'd make the fookin CRF450 green sticker legal....like yesterday

Heavy-Dee · 07-17-2003, 10:35 PM

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abtech : That ain't spooge, it's rust-proofing. *Looks like Tuff Kote got ahold of your throttle bodies . . .

Like Rusty Jones?

luvtolean · 07-17-2003, 10:43 PM

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Mattress : Quote (luvtolean @ July 17 2003, 10:29am)I always think of it this way, Honda is in this business to make money. *They would not add something like this, which costs money, if they didn't think there was a good reason.

If they were in the business to make money, they'd make the fookin CRF450 green sticker legal....like yesterday *
If you had an 02 or earlier, it would be. Fawkers.

abtech · 07-18-2003, 12:08 AM

WC: Are you certain this isn't nail polish left over from a Marilyn Manson concert? I just noticed the color, and it isn't quite Onyx, it's more of a cross between 'Black Pearl' and 'Jet' . . .

Warchild · 07-18-2003, 1:08 AM

Quote I just noticed the color, and it isn't quite Onyx, it's more of a cross between 'Black Pearl' and 'Jet' . . .

Dunno if your video card is rendering proper colors, Abtech...

Well..... the consensus seems to be: leave the dark spoo alone... but maybe clean *off the other spoo-age....
I dunno, gents; I think I'll leave it all alone and just go about starting the next *

BlueToy · 07-18-2003, 3:15 AM

my 'spooge' has been removed with no adverse effects, I think it's purpose is to make a better seal, but when it's old it can crumble and make synching the throttle bodies very difficult, it doesn't do any harm if you take it off or leave it on.

if you're not going to sync the TBs then leave it on, but if you're trying to get them balanced then it'll be heaps easier to clean them off first so they snap back to the same place each time as opposed to being effected by bits of moly grease.

HTH

Ben.