[ConqSoft]

I tell ya what; you run whatever oil you want, and we'll run whatever oil we want. How about that?

[Baketech]

Gimme a V....

[ConqSoft]

V!

[abtech]

Gimme an "O"

[llhank]

Originally Posted by ConqSoft

I tell ya what; you run whatever oil you want, and we'll run whatever oil we want. How about that?

I said that same thing a while ago, if using expensive motorcycle oils make you happy than do it. All I'm tirying to do is get to the bottom of this oil business by reading some facts and proofs. Lighten up, no one's attacking anyone here.
My claim is pretty clear. If someone can prove otherwise, that expensive oils perform best, then I'll be the next customer for them.

[Baketech]

O to the R...

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by 02FBlade

Tighten by hand snug. No need to put a wrench to it....or it will be a beotch to get off.

NO!!

As a racer it freaks me out to see you put that up.

The filter on your 929/954 absolutely must be tighter than hand tight, put a wrench on it, preferably a torque wrench! Read the manual kids.


....and TO THE "T"!

[02FBlade]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

NO!!

As a racer it freaks me out to see you put that up.

The filter on your 929/954 absolutely must be tighter than hand tight, put a wrench on it, preferably a torque wrench! Read the manual kids.


....and TO THE "T"!

When I take mine off they're pretty tight...plus it's wired. Guess I got a tighter grip then most?!! ...I was single for a long time!

What's the spec..it can't be much.... 9-12? and how do you get a torque wrench on a stock filter anyways....

btw...I've never had any leaks or lost due to my hand tightening....I don't just finger snug it....

[luvtolean]

Seriously, I doubt you could do it by hand but...how long you been single?

I believe it's 25 ft pounds. It's much tighter than most think.

[abtech]

Originally Posted by llhank

I said that same thing a while ago, if using expensive motorcycle oils make you happy than do it. All I'm tirying to do is get to the bottom of this oil business by reading some facts and proofs. Lighten up, no one's attacking anyone here.
My claim is pretty clear. If someone can prove otherwise, that expensive oils perform best, then I'll be the next customer for them.

Maybe you just haven't looked in the right places:

NASA testing

Pacific Northwest National Laboratory

Molyduval

CTL-Formicary

[Oldskool]

I love these types of debates.

We still havent heard from the guy that "works in the field" or was the founding memeber of "WHO?? AGAIN" and can offer us some "Insight" or the "I was told by above mentioned guy" guy that this oil is better. Then we're supposed to get at least one long winded wordsmith that breaks down his total opinion based view as fact. I beleive we need to follow that up with a bunch of half hearted "I love you man" postings to unruffle feathers...Jeeeezuz IT'S Just OIL....it's all good

But in case you wondered I am the founding memeber of the OASJC and worked in the industry for 15 years as a viscositoriator (level 3 dont hate all you level 2 and 1's) where my findings on "oil and it's seductive features", or as it became known "How oil ruined my marriage" were published and used by everyone from NASA to KY...please refer to my 700 word posting on the subject. And I LOVE YOU MAN!!!

[02FBlade]

26 Nm or 20lbs. states the maunal. Tighter than I thought...

[llhank]

Originally Posted by abtech

Maybe you just haven't looked in the right places:

NASA testing

Pacific Northwest National Laboratory

Molyduval

CTL-Formicary

This is so funny! None of your references apply to anything we're talking about in motorcycle oils.


The NASA study coversa backup lubricant for turbine engines for when the regular oil burns off.

The Pacific Northwest paper is about detecting water in oil.

The Molyduval reference is basically an advertising data sheet for electric motor and powdered metal bearing lubricants.

The CTL study is about corrosion of copper heat exchanger tubes.

I guess there still is no independent proof that expensive motorcycle oils are superior to automotive oils.
Keep wasting your money if you want but there are plenty of us who won't.

[Baketech]

T to the E....

[02FBlade]

Someone pay for the oil & my tuner and I'll run a comparo. That should shutup the non believers that synth is better. Numbers don't lie...(but can be manipulated! )

[evl_twn]

Originally Posted by bjay51d

I was wondering how many miles other people ride before an oil change.I been changing my oil after 2000 miles for years.I dont do the synthetic ever since I tried it in my 95 900rr and the clutch slipped.So I just use regular 1040 honda oil....Do you thing I change it to soon?

You're supposed to change it?

[abtech]

Originally Posted by llhank

This is so funny! None of your references apply to anything we're talking about in motorcycle oils.


The NASA study coversa backup lubricant for turbine engines for when the regular oil burns off.

The Pacific Northwest paper is about detecting water in oil.

The Molyduval reference is basically an advertising data sheet for electric motor and powdered metal bearing lubricants.

The CTL study is about corrosion of copper heat exchanger tubes.

I guess there still is no independent proof that expensive motorcycle oils are superior to automotive oils.
Keep wasting your money if you want but there are plenty of us who won't.

All of those links demonstrate the superior lubricating/sheer resistance/high temperature performance qualities of ester based lubricants which you won't find in garden variety/cheap/dino/PAO oils. You will find it in certain versions of the 4 oils I mentioned earlier.


... and the letter is "X"

[Baketech]

Ester....was she Lamont's aunt on Sanford & Son....

[abtech]

Originally Posted by Oldskool

I love these types of debates.

We still havent heard from the guy that "works in the field" or was the founding memeber of "WHO?? AGAIN" and can offer us some "Insight" or the "I was told by above mentioned guy" guy that this oil is better. Then we're supposed to get at least one long winded wordsmith that breaks down his total opinion based view as fact. I beleive we need to follow that up with a bunch of half hearted "I love you man" postings to unruffle feathers...Jeeeezuz IT'S Just OIL....it's all good

But in case you wondered I am the founding memeber of the OASJC and worked in the industry for 15 years as a viscositoriator (level 3 dont hate all you level 2 and 1's) where my findings on "oil and it's seductive features", or as it became known "How oil ruined my marriage" were published and used by everyone from NASA to KY...please refer to my 700 word posting on the subject. And I LOVE YOU MAN!!!

I'm not an oil expert, but I play one on the world wide web . . .

[ND4SPD]

Does that spell VORTEX?

[abtech]

OK, after reviewing all the pertinent information, pie charts, web forum discussions on oldmgsneverdie.org and all related SAE white papers since 1991, I have revised my opinion regarding this subject.

I now recommend using only this oil in your $10,000.00+ high performance sportbike. For racing you need to add the contents in the second picture.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by abtech

All of those links demonstrate the superior lubricating/sheer resistance/high temperature performance qualities of ester based lubricants which you won't find in garden variety/cheap/dino/PAO oils. You will find it in certain versions of the 4 oils I mentioned earlier.

Yeah...I'm trying to understand why it's so difficult to make the leap.

Maybe they specify polyol ester oils just 'cuz it sounds all scientific and stuff?

Jet engines started synthetic oil R&D. Early land based race converts went to the jet people already making the stuff for info. They were the early experts by necessity.

I don't think anyone is saying there aren't some "TRULY" (and by that I mean not the bullshit synthetic definition forced on us by the assholes at Castrol and the courts) synthetic "automotive" oils that are good lubricants, however they must be appropriately formulated for a motorcycle. IE not all high end car oils are good for bikes.

But they will all be expensive to a certain degree, and they will use polyol ester base stocks. You know...like in those papers.

[sheepofblue]

OK getting ready to do some oil changes to some nice Motul 300V 5w40 and am wondering if there is anything extra to know when changing the first time? I plan on the normal warm engine change oil and filter cycle.