[CBRmatt]

Maybe more technically savy persons can explain this to me. In 2002/2003 the 954 came out with a dry weight of 370 lbs, since then litre bikes have gained weight and none have made it down below that weight (that I know of). I know that new emissions standards may have added a couple of pounds to the exhaust system. Maholli, on this site, and "MetalScorpio" on 1000rr.net are both at the show in Anaheim and are talking of an amazingly low weight of "370ish" and "370 to 380". The May issue of Superbike magazine places the 2007 GSXR 1000 at 379 lbs.

My question is, why 6 years later can the major manufacturers not get considerably below the 2002 litre bike dry weight of 370 lbs???? (btw – I know, “dry weight” is a stupid measure for comparison purposes. Wish they would all publish “empty gas tank” weights).

[slickwill]

Originally Posted by CBRmatt

Maybe more technically savy persons can explain this to me. In 2002/2003 the 954 came out with a dry weight of 370 lbs, since then litre bikes have gained weight and none have made it down below that weight (that I know of). I know that new emissions standards may have added a couple of pounds to the exhaust system. Maholli, on this site, and "MetalScorpio" on 1000rr.net are both at the show in Anaheim and are talking of an amazingly low weight of "370ish" and "370 to 380". The May issue of Superbike magazine places the 2007 GSXR 1000 at 379 lbs.

My question is, why 6 years later can the major manufacturers not get considerably below the 2002 litre bike dry weight of 370 lbs???? (btw – I know, “dry weight” is a stupid measure for comparison purposes. Wish they would all publish “empty gas tank” weights).

I heard that it is due to the increasing cost of lightweight materials and the goal to keep a similar pricepoint. Not sure if it is true but I've heard it more than once.

[cbronxrocket]

yo gang, i am kinda lost as to how years ago i grabbed an 900RR when they hit, made me get off my GSXR1100, was much more confortable, and light? no contest!!! my 929 & 954 felt much quicker than my 2005 1000rr, until i did the mods to it. i like the rock-solid feel of my '05, just hope honda can take some weight off the new one and maintain that carved -from - billet solid feel that they have now. i just rode an '07 zx-10, and my buddy who owns it sez he's gettin' rid of it- soon. nasty tank slapping stuff at speed, dealer sez "nothing" wrong with it. LONG LIVE THE CBR!!

[Maholli]

Originally Posted by CBRmatt

The May issue of Superbike magazine places the 2007 GSXR 1000 at 379 lbs.

Thats not accurate, the GSXR1000 is now the heaviest of all the 1000's.. It gained 18lbs from 06 to 07, which almost negated that horsepower gain it got... 7lbs for 1hp.. The R1 gained weight also... The for 07 the CBR went from one of the heaviest until the 06/07 model to know pretty much tied with the ZX10 for the lightest.. All the bikes pretty much exaggerate their "dry weight" the 07 CBR1000 claim 388 but every bike needs fluids and stuff so really 421.. and with gas 450...

2007 Superbike Smackdown IV - MotorcycleUSA.com

So what Honda has claimed with this new bike, is new engine design and frame which will set a new standered in power to weight ratio and torque numbers.. The New 600RR redesign put out the lightest, fastest most torque of any 600 ever. Thats what honda tried to do with the new 1000RR.. Im not saying they got it right, know one really nows the tech or spec numbers on it.. Only rumors and speculation.. Like I said before I didn't really like the looks but man it looked like it was made to slice threw the air and the competition on the track.. I almost thought it was smaller than the 600RR but it wasn't.. But I can say with alot of confidence that it is a totally new engine that puts out ponies close to 160 @ the rear wheel.. So I can't wait until I think the 28th when they gives us some real numbers on the bike, and then make my mind up.. I must say that I was really disappointed in the " Dream" stuff that honda was saying... But some rumors say that the "Dream" bike is really a cruiser.. But who knows.. Im not into Cruisers...

[Maholli]

Originally Posted by CBRmatt

Maholli, on this site, and "MetalScorpio" on 1000rr.net are both at the show in Anaheim

Not their anymore, I got home yesterday, I was lucky enough to go with my Uncle who owns a Dealership.. I just really went to see the new RR then head back home.. Its hard for me to leave my wife and kids and job for too long.. So I was really disappointed, they really just kind of teased us with the showing of the new RR.. I must say I heard a alot of people who didn't like the looks of it but the bike did kind of grow on ya, plus with a few mods its ready to go... Im more concerned with the performance and tech issues of the bike.. I always will ride honda and find a way to like all there bikes... SO I guess Im a biased Honda lover.. My boat and other boats always had honda outboards and my jet ski is honda, my wifes car is a honda.. Well there ya go.. I love honda.. Just the best engines that money can buy.. And man I work hard for my honda toys... So I want something thats reliable and lasts.. Which is a HONDA!
I will stop rambling on... sorry..

[lcorey]

Originally Posted by CBRmatt

Maybe more technically savy persons can explain this to me. In 2002/2003 the 954 came out with a dry weight of 370 lbs, since then litre bikes have gained weight and none have made it down below that weight (that I know of). I know that new emissions standards may have added a couple of pounds to the exhaust system. Maholli, on this site, and "MetalScorpio" on 1000rr.net are both at the show in Anaheim and are talking of an amazingly low weight of "370ish" and "370 to 380". The May issue of Superbike magazine places the 2007 GSXR 1000 at 379 lbs.

My question is, why 6 years later can the major manufacturers not get considerably below the 2002 litre bike dry weight of 370 lbs???? (btw – I know, “dry weight” is a stupid measure for comparison purposes. Wish they would all publish “empty gas tank” weights).

They are incredibly lighter ther reason those number are so different is because the dry weights are fudged so much, such as the 06 GSXR1000 claimed 365 dry yet you stick it on a scale and it was about 415 dry, the older bikes were even heavier never believe a dry weight claim from manufacture except for honda's new all inclusive "curb weight" which is the first accurate number i have heard. the 954 was probably around 440-450 dry. bikes have always been getting steadily light and lighter its just the claimed dry weights jump all over the place, if the new bike was actually 370lbs it would be truly revolutionary, like ground-breakingly so, it would be far lighter then the 1098 and even with the 06-07 bikes horsepower it would leave the other bikes in the dust in a straight line

[Repsol Rider]

Well hmmmmmmm.

I have been waiting until the new 08's came out before buying a new bike. I love the 07 1KRR. If those pics are what the new 08 looks like, I guess my mind can be pretty much made up. From what you all have said, I hope the performance in the 08 is as good as you say. Because as far as the looks go.........

[CR5DUB]

The new Blade looks great. To all those who are trashing it ... please .

[Phadreus]

Originally Posted by CR5DUB

The new Blade looks great. To all those who are trashing it ... please .

I think you have to understand that the appearance of bikes are subjectively judged; some like it and think it looks great to them, others hate it and think it looks bad to them. The people who like it have just as valid opinion as those who do not. One can not objectively say "The new Blade looks great", just as one can't objectively say "The new Blade looks terrible" and be taken seriously. You have to remember; these people are just voicing their own personal subjective opinion of the bike''s appearance. Those opinions are not definitive, they are just opinions. Telling people to stop voicing their opinions is a completely unreasonable request. I think this is something you are just going to have to deal with my friend!

[Maholli]

Originally Posted by Phadreus

I think you have to understand that the appearance of bikes are subjectively judged; some like it and think it looks great to them, others hate it and think it looks bad to them. The people who like it have just as valid opinion as those who do not. One can not objectively say "The new Blade looks great", just as one can't objectively say "The new Blade looks terrible" and be taken seriously. You have to remember; these people are just voicing their own personal subjective opinion of the bike''s appearance. Those opinions are not definitive, they are just opinions. Telling people to stop voicing their opinions is a completely unreasonable request. I think this is something you are just going to have to deal with my friend!

... Plus like I have been saying this new RR is going to set the standard in weight.. A 1000 that weighs in 420-430 wet... 20-30lbs less than anything out there.. With true 160rwhp.. That used to be all I heard from RR people, " make it lighter", "make it more powerful".. As far as looks people can do differant mods to it...

[cbronxrocket]

well gang, as usual, i guess i will just haveta wait n see the new 1KRR in the up close & personal. i have seen pics kinda mislead at times. I do hope they got ridda the undertail exhaust. power & torque is something we can all fix as we like. CR5DUB, i gotta agree so far. i kinda like what i've seen. but phad is correct. we cannot expect everyone to agree with what you or me may see. hey, i know quite a few people like myself who got ridda their 954's to get 1000RR's, then complained about the 1000 not being as "rev-happy", also felt a tad heavy. ya can make yer bike what ya want!!! JUST KEEP IT A HONDA.

[CBRmatt]

Originally Posted by Maholli

... Plus like I have been saying this new RR is going to set the standard in weight.. A 1000 that weighs in 420-430 wet... 20-30lbs less than anything out there.. With true 160rwhp.. That used to be all I heard from RR people, " make it lighter", "make it more powerful".. As far as looks people can do differant mods to it...

I was one of those people screaming "make it lighter", "make it more powerfull". Honda has the resources and is due to come up with a revolutionary bike like the 900 Fireblade was in its day. If the rumours are true this could be that bike. Unfortunately even on Sept 28 we may not know the whole story. The only time we will know for sure is when the first independent comparisons are done next spring.

BTW when you say "wet weight" do you mean empty gas tank or full gas tank?????

[Maholli]

Originally Posted by CBRmatt

BTW when you say "wet weight" do you mean empty gas tank or full gas tank?????

Wet weight is only one that matters... Nobody can ride a bike without gas and the proper fluids..... Yes wet weight is with gas... Dry weight doesn't mean much, plus most dry weight numbers are 10lbs or more off...

[CBRmatt]

You have to be careful with the term "wet weight" as well though as to some this means "full of fuids ready to go but with the gas tank empty". I wish the mags and maunfacturers would agree to all use the gas tank empty definition as it is the most relevent and takes out the factor of different sized gas tanks.

[slickwill]

Honda has been posting up "curb weight" numbers in a few places which are fairly accurate wet numbers with a full tank of gas.

[slickwill]

Here is an example of what I mean. This is from the "specifications" section of the 600RR on their website. Says it includes, "all standard equipment, all fluids, and a full tank of gas."

[lcorey]

Originally Posted by Maholli

Wet weight is only one that matters... Nobody can ride a bike without gas and the proper fluids..... Yes wet weight is with gas... Dry weight doesn't mean much, plus most dry weight numbers are 10lbs or more off...

I would say even if it is only including w/out gas, it would be a lot more than 10lbs, considering a full tank of gas weighs about 30lbs or more

[Maholli]

your correct its usually 30-40lbs... What I was talking about was the fact that in my owners manual my bike states 388lbs "dry" but when It came in the crate i bet if u removed and weighed the bikes "dry" weight and it would be wrong, by about 10lbs.. All I was saying was the dry weight numbers put out by most manufacturers are a little off.. "Dry weight" to "wet weight" ranges from 30-50lbs swings.. Hopefully they all will start using curb weight like slickwill stated...

[vin]

Okay folks... if this is what the 08 Fireblade looks like, I'm buying a Kwak... if this article is true, then what a disappointment...

Exclusive first pictures of the 2008 Honda Fireblade CBR1000RR - Motorcycle News - MCN

[vma]

New 1000RR is ugly

My 2006 1000RR will stay in my garage.

[06CBR1KMFNRR]

Originally Posted by vin

Okay folks... if this is what the 08 Fireblade looks like, I'm buying a Kwak... if this article is true, then what a disappointment...

Exclusive first pictures of the 2008 Honda Fireblade CBR1000RR - Motorcycle News - MCN

If there is any liter bike uglier than the new Blade, it's the Kwak. I loved my '05, but they missed their mark in '06. That thing looks like ten pounds of sh** in a five pound bag.

Hopefully the Blade is fast enough to make up for its aesthetic weaknesses. Form follows function!

[CR5DUB]

Originally Posted by CBRmatt

I was one of those people screaming "make it lighter", "make it more powerfull".

I was one of those people screaming "make it lighter, make it handle better, I don't particularly care about more power"

If the bike is dramatically lighter your going to think it's more powerful anyway and it will handle so much better than any Blade before it (or any other liter for that matter).

Originally Posted by vin

Okay folks... if this is what the 08 Fireblade looks like, I'm buying a Kwak... if this article is true, then what a disappointment...

You own a Busa and you think the new Blade is ugly? Ah, the irony.

[svjhonda]

Uhh, guys, when will we get to know the details and tech specs of this bike? On the 28th?

I am kinda new to this forum, so forgive me if I have missed out on something.....

[Phadreus]

Originally Posted by svjhonda

Uhh, guys, when will we get to know the details and tech specs of this bike? On the 28th?

I am kinda new to this forum, so forgive me if I have missed out on something.....

I think you typically will see accurate specs in the late winter months; march of '08 if memory serves. Correct me if I'm wrong on this guys!

[simihondajoe]

international release is supposed to be at the paris show end of this month. It looks a little weird in photos but I thought it looked great in person. acording to a few guys who have ridden it, its loads and tons faster then the 07, or anything else they could find to test it against.

[maxgee]

I don't like the side profile.