Fireblade 2008 - oil

08silvercbr · 08-21-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chukky

If I can give you guys any advice,start dealing with the Honda head office in wich ever country you are.The dealers can do nothing for you and wont until they get a instruction from the official importer or Honda head office.Find out who the Thecnical manager is in either your state or country of the Honda head office and contact him directly via phone or even better via e'mail,then its on record.I can bet you Honda is aware of the problem,but from what I can read on this forum the dealers are giving you guys the run around.Since when does a bike have to do 8000km to be run in,what absolute rubbish.I would tell that dealer in his face he hasent got any bloody idea what he is talking about and should stop taking you for a fool.

Just a note...no matter what time you call you will be on hold for a long time. When i finally got through I waited 45 min. That was the third time over different days.

KrazyRdR83 · 08-21-2008, 11:19 PM

damn...and i'm thinkin of pickin an 08 next month. Now i'm wondering if I should wait...thing is I'll be getting an awsome deal on one cause there are 3 of the same color and they lookin to move them.

then i'm readin info from other forums on what to do and not to do as break-in....damn

08silvercbr · 08-21-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KrazyRdR83

damn...and i'm thinkin of pickin an 08 next month. Now i'm wondering if I should wait...thing is I'll be getting an awsome deal on one cause there are 3 of the same color and they lookin to move them.

then i'm readin info from other forums on what to do and not to do as break-in....damn

If you decide to get one my advice is to change the oil at like 200 miles. Changed mine 3 times in the first 1000 miles.

KrazyRdR83 · 08-21-2008, 11:36 PM

did that help at all?

oggydownunder · 08-21-2008, 11:59 PM

Quite rightly, if you dont break a bike in well, theres more chance of problems... but this issue is not to do with breaking in the bike... Ive have many many bikes and know how to run a bike in.... I had no issue with my last new bikess 05 blade and run in my wifes 07 600rr and a mates 08 gsx1000rr.. with no issues.

Fact is that there seems an underlying issue with the oil usage on some of the bikes.... my money is on the head gasket rumour where oil isnt draining from the head quick enough so there is a build up in the cam area... now this explains why the full power ones (auatralia and UK models) are using oil... they physically rev higher...so pumping more oil through same restriction.... explains why more usage on the track as well...

08silvercbr · 08-22-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KrazyRdR83

did that help at all?

Can't say that it helped, but it certainly didn't hurt. MY bike burns no oil, no paint problems...nothing. Alot of people are having problems...alot aren't. I'd have to agree with the last poster. If its gonna burn oil, its gonna burn oil. I also think Honda will take care of you if it does. As far as break in: changed oil frequently, rode normal verying rpms for 300 miles, then four 1/2 throttle runs and idling back down followed by cool off. Complete warm up again, Then 4 full throttle starts to redline idling back down without using the breaks. If it helped I have no idea, but I have no problems.

KrazyRdR83 · 08-22-2008, 9:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 08silvercbr

Can't say that it helped, but it certainly didn't hurt. MY bike burns no oil, no paint problems...nothing. Alot of people are having problems...alot aren't. I'd have to agree with the last poster. If its gonna burn oil, its gonna burn oil. I also think Honda will take care of you if it does. As far as break in: changed oil frequently, rode normal verying rpms for 300 miles, then four 1/2 throttle runs and idling back down followed by cool off. Complete warm up again, Then 4 full throttle starts to redline idling back down without using the breaks. If it helped I have no idea, but I have no problems.

i'll remember and/or come back to this when it's time to break in my 1k. I'm sure Honda is aware and will come up with a fix regardless...

Here's what I found on another forum, or could of been this one...you're thoughts?

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

JWTDuke · 08-22-2008, 9:40 AM

Hi all from Valencia, Spain. I called a Honda dealership in the UK this morning and spoke with the service dept. about the oil situation with the 08
Blades. They informed me that it was completely normal for the engine to
comsume 1 liter / 1.56 US quart per 1609 Km / 1000 miles. The reason they gave was because the 08 Blade has a completely different engine and the
bike is truly a RACE bike but just with decals. This is the reason why the engine is consuming oil. Also they said they use semi-synthetic oil in all of the blades from day one. I ask why they didn't use the HONDA PRO GN4 (non-systhetic) like Honda recommends in other parts of the world like the States. They didn't give any reason why they use the semi- synthetic oil instead of using a NON-SYNTHETIC oil. The service dept. said they don't carry the Honda PRO GN4. I then spoke with the parts dept. and they informed me they could order it and have it in two days. I'm from(Florida)

but I live in Spain so I know what happens on the other side of the world. You can order the correct oil from the dealers here in the UK /Europe because they will order it directly from Honda Europe so don't let them lie to you.

England: 15 pounds w/vat for a 4 liter bottle of Honda Pro GN4 10W-40 Oil
7 pounds w/vat for a 1 liter bottle of Honda Pro GN4 10W-40 Oil

They use the oil that they carry in the dealership and the service dept. doesn't realize the correct oil that is needed for our Blades which Honda say that needs to be in our engines during the break in-period. What a joke in these Honda dealerships around the WORLD. In the States the dealerships are more well informed about Honda products and the correct oil that needs to be in our engines from day one. The dealers here in Spain said that Honda doesn't carry a oil product which I know is a complete lie!

Now everybody knows the truth finally with oil the situation!

PS. Make sure to ask the dealer what kind of oil they use when they change the oil /filter on your Blade. Also ask when you buy your next blade ask what
kind of oil is inside the engine before you leave the dealership. If they have
the wrong oil inside the engine make them change it along with the filter before you get screwed later down the road.

*** Remember the customer is always right.*** PEACE

chukky · 08-22-2008, 10:27 AM

That all sounds good and with the choise of oil you are probably right,but at the end of the day,no new bike should use oil at such an massive rate.If its a new thing that the 08 blades oil consumption is normal,why dont they say that specificaly inthe hand book,Then they should put a small print in all the 08 ads ''PS this bike uses a lot of oil,maybe if your lucky,you'll get one that doesnt''.This discussion is becoming rediculous.A NEW ERA SUPERBIKE DOES NOT USE OIL PERIOD.Anybody that thinks its normal,YOUR WRONG.
A freind of mine once said to me''you have won the argument between us because you are clever,but you are still wrong!!!!!!!

S. A. Kruz · 08-22-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chukky

That all sounds good and with the choise of oil you are probably right,but at the end of the day,no new bike should use oil at such an massive rate.If its a new thing that the 08 blades oil consumption is normal,why dont they say that specificaly inthe hand book,Then they should put a small print in all the 08 ads ''PS this bike uses a lot of oil,maybe if your lucky,you'll get one that doesnt''.This discussion is becoming rediculous.A NEW ERA SUPERBIKE DOES NOT USE OIL PERIOD.Anybody that thinks its normal,YOUR WRONG.
A freind of mine once said to me''you have won the argument between us because you are clever,but you are still wrong!!!!!!!

You are right on the money here Chukky. If Honda UK is saying that these are racing bikes and that's why they're burning oil up to 1 liter per 1000 mies, I say bollocks! Not all of the bikes are burning oil and pure racing machines don't burn oil like this, this is no excuse. I have been carefully following this discussion for some time now and the head gasket theory makes the most sense so far from a technical standpoint. Return oil could be backing up and passing through the valve guides and into the combustion chambers. Only one problem with that theory, why only some bikes and not all of them? I think the poll is showing 60% roughly are oil tight. If the head gaskets are wrong you'd logically assume all the bikes would be having high oil consumption problems. I am really scratching my head over this one. We know the oil is being burned, smoking exhaust and carbon residue in pipe outlet tell us this and of course there are no external leaks. It has to be rings, valve guides or crankcase ventilation issues (which I highly doubt) causing the problem. There is a common denominator somewhere with the bikes that are burning oil and that has to be found. In the end, only Honda can find the problem and fix it.

Kruz

JWTDuke · 08-22-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chukky

That all sounds good and with the choise of oil you are probably right,but at the end of the day,no new bike should use oil at such an massive rate.If its a new thing that the 08 blades oil consumption is normal,why dont they say that specificaly inthe hand book,Then they should put a small print in all the 08 ads ''PS this bike uses a lot of oil,maybe if your lucky,you'll get one that doesnt''.This discussion is becoming rediculous.A NEW ERA SUPERBIKE DOES NOT USE OIL PERIOD.Anybody that thinks its normal,YOUR WRONG.
A freind of mine once said to me''you have won the argument between us because you are clever,but you are still wrong!!!!!!!

I agree that the 08 Blades shouldn't have any oil issues but unless you work for Honda in Japan you will never know the problem with the engine. We all can speak about this oil situation forever. I guess, we will live with the oil problems or trade it in for the 09 Blades in February. Maybe the oil issues, paint issues, exhaust color issues, and the small battery that loses it's charge in a short period of time if the bike isn't started or riden will be corrected in the 09 Blades. At this point we are screwed because Honda isn't going to address these issues because of the money factor.

BRICKS007 · 08-24-2008, 4:07 AM

Well I hope this oil consumption is normal, but it seems strange that some are and some aren’t burning oil.

When I first got my bike, I thought the oil around the exhaust was just a break in thing and that it will go away (hope so)... but after reading this thread I’m now concerned about this issue. The bike is coming up for its 1000km service tomorrow so ill ask them about this. they have a demo yellow RR there and its got no burnt oil on the exhaust what so ever.

Never in my time riding bikes have I ever seen oil around the pipe like this. normally burnt oil means "problems". could someone look at this pic and tell me its burning oil? and I only washed the pipe clean two days ago

dev435 · 08-24-2008, 4:47 AM

did you get water in the pipe when you washed it cos that looks like water has spat back out?

oggydownunder · 08-24-2008, 5:18 AM

Clean comapred to mine.... Notice the build up on the swinging arm that comes out of the small hole in the side...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...r/IMG_5199.jpg

setanta · 08-24-2008, 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by S. A. Kruz

You are right on the money here Chukky. If Honda UK is saying that these are racing bikes and that's why they're burning oil up to 1 liter per 1000 mies, I say bollocks! Not all of the bikes are burning oil and pure racing machines don't burn oil like this, this is no excuse. I have been carefully following this discussion for some time now and the head gasket theory makes the most sense so far from a technical standpoint. Return oil could be backing up and passing through the valve guides and into the combustion chambers. Only one problem with that theory, why only some bikes and not all of them? I think the poll is showing 60% roughly are oil tight. If the head gaskets are wrong you'd logically assume all the bikes would be having high oil consumption problems. I am really scratching my head over this one. We know the oil is being burned, smoking exhaust and carbon residue in pipe outlet tell us this and of course there are no external leaks. It has to be rings, valve guides or crankcase ventilation issues (which I highly doubt) causing the problem. There is a common denominator somewhere with the bikes that are burning oil and that has to be found. In the end, only Honda can find the problem and fix it.

Kruz

This is just a wild shot in the dark but do you think the engines are built in different factories, thus the reason that some do and some dont?

08silvercbr · 08-24-2008, 8:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BRICKS007

Well I hope this oil consumption is normal, but it seems strange that some are and some aren’t burning oil.

When I first got my bike, I thought the oil around the exhaust was just a break in thing and that it will go away (hope so)... but after reading this thread I’m now concerned about this issue. The bike is coming up for its 1000km service tomorrow so ill ask them about this. they have a demo yellow RR there and its got no burnt oil on the exhaust what so ever.

Never in my time riding bikes have I ever seen oil around the pipe like this. normally burnt oil means "problems". could someone look at this pic and tell me its burning oil? and I only washed the pipe clean two days ago

Mine did that too. I think its just condensation coming out. I wouldn't worry about that. Just keep an eye on your oil level periodically.

GRR929 · 08-24-2008, 5:35 PM

Update on my Blade. Dealership has torn the engine apart looking for the problem. When they started the teardown the engine only had 2 liters of oil in it ! Last oil change was 1000km's ago, it was topped up to the highest line. I was informed by the dealership that Honda does not offer crate motors and the only option is to rebuild mine

. That sucks if I wanted to buy a bike with a rebuilt motor I would of got a used bike not new. Has anyone had their bikes repaired yet if so post up or pm me with the results and what Honda did for you

. Thanks GRR929

setanta · 08-24-2008, 6:12 PM

Slightly off topic here but has anyone else here getting oil coming from where the clutch meets the casing, its really thick and black first thought it was tar at first??

BRICKS007 · 08-24-2008, 7:31 PM

I hope its only condensation or water from washing it, might give it a rub and see if it spits any more out..

I feel for ya GRR929, i would be pissed if that was me, id be wanting my money back or a new bike if that were me... is there any laws in the US that protect you from fault vehicels/bikes? id be taking it all the way to try and get your money back, a rebuilt motor on a new bike (F&$K that) keep us updated

gxtoast · 08-25-2008, 7:42 AM

Yeah, don't accept an engine rebuild from a dealer! Tell them to stop wtf they are doing and get Honda involved, pushing them for a new bike.

Rebuilding the engine is unacceptable, no farking question.

GRR929 · 09-11-2008, 11:41 PM

Update everytime I call the dealer someting has changed. Now Honda teck is claiming that I don't use the proper fuel B.S. I only use Cheveron 94 it the highest octain available. Honda had the engine sent off to a machine shop to be measured. The upper valve guides were slightly oval, the rings were worn. Now they wan't to tear down to the main bearings. This bike is pissing me off. Not so much as that there is a problem but the service or lack there of from Honda. I believe the dealer is at the mercy of Honda. I will be asking for a full refund soon. Should of went for the rsv1000. Any feedback is welcomed as how I should deal with this. Unfortunatly I do not think there are lemon laws in Canada.

S. A. Kruz · 09-12-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GRR929

Update everytime I call the dealer someting has changed. Now Honda teck is claiming that I don't use the proper fuel B.S. I only use Cheveron 94 it the highest octain available. Honda had the engine sent off to a machine shop to be measured. The upper valve guides were slightly oval, the rings were worn. Now they wan't to tear down to the main bearings. This bike is pissing me off. Not so much as that there is a problem but the service or lack there of from Honda. I believe the dealer is at the mercy of Honda. I will be asking for a full refund soon. Should of went for the rsv1000. Any feedback is welcomed as how I should deal with this. Unfortunatly I do not think there are lemon laws in Canada.

Sorry to hear about your troubles, I hope Honda does the right thing here and gives you either a refund or a new bike.

Kruz

gxtoast · 09-12-2008, 9:39 PM

You could try asking the official Honda Manager (not the rep or the Honda dealer) why they are treating you so badly:

Why they are performing such major repairs on a new bike.
Why they are causing you so much anxiety over a problem which is theirs (if it has been determined the problem is theirs).
Why they are wasting your time while they perform inappropriate work on the faulty bike (ie, actually trying to repair it instead of replacing it - if they are working on it for forensic analysis to determine fault, then they should be telling you this clearly and it shouldn't drag on).
Why they are not doing the right thing and replacing the bike, quoting to them other dealers who have done the right thing and replaced bikes (find a bunch on this site, ask around).
Also, write down each of their complaints or points of argument (such as wrong fuel) and sit down with some friends and go over each in reply).
And, finally, why they are not putting good will first.

Also, go seek advise from your local consumer watchdog. Fill them in on all the details (put things down in bullet points to clarify everything in your mind) and tell them about what other dealers have done to resolve the issue (like simply replacing the bike).

The fact that they are simply making accusations is not good enough to justify their actions and attitude. They need to back them up with facts. For example, getting back to the fuel accusation. Where does it talk about wrong fuels in the user manual? Where does it warn against potential issues? Where does it specify a certain brand of fuel? Where is the forensics that clearly indicates the fuel was at fault?

Also, you can finally try to contact the national office to get the issue resolved. Mind you, the consumer watchdog will have worked out the best way to deal with this situation, so definitely see them.

Seeing this kind of thing as a learning experience can help remove the edge off your hatred and anger and allow you to view the situation with more clarity. If you hold it and build up your anger, you can become lost.

Good luck.

Espresso · 09-13-2008, 12:10 AM

Reading this thread makes me wonder if the problem is partially caused by the kind of riding is done on the bike. My wild guess is that if your bike is usually ridden in the 8 - 13K RPM range, it will burn oil...else not. Mine has 3000 miles (5000 km) on it and is mostly ridden on freeway in the 4 - 8K RPM range. It has not burned any oil which I have changed only once at 800 miles. My 2 cents...

KrazyRdR83 · 09-13-2008, 9:43 AM

lookin at picking one up...and i'll be doing a lot of riding. generally my DD, and will commute on the highway for 14 miles just one way. with the occasional weekend ride for a few hours. and still reading and waiting for someone to show that if keeping it at high rpms at a constant rate of time...will causethe bike to burn oil...or is it just inproper break-in?

ratbag · 09-13-2008, 11:11 AM

Well i picked mine up today and headed straight to my favorite set of twistys.
I'm a believer that the bikes are run in within the 1st 50k's ( 90 miles ) AND must be ridden in a manner that beds the rings in.

The new blade hits redline @ 13,000, i never went over 8,000 for the 1st 50k's, but varied the speed and accelerated as much as possible while getting to my favorite section of road.

The rear tyre was completely scrubbed to the edges by the time i got to the end of my favorite piece of road, the bike now has 240 k's on the clock.

I will keep ya's posted on oil usage ( the shop said 200mil between services should be fine )

I have never owned a bike that consumed oil at all and if i had, i would have thought it had major problems.

And yes i have noticed that it seems to be the UK owners that are posting oil usage problems.

P.S. the new blade is a work of art, absolutely awesome bike.

Cheers, ratty

KrazyRdR83 · 09-13-2008, 12:15 PM

^^^ nice

lanbrown · 09-13-2008, 1:13 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

This is just a wild shot in the dark but do you think the engines are built in different factories, thus the reason that some do and some dont?

No.

setanta · 09-13-2008, 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

No.

Could you just be a little briefer please my eyes are sore

apollon · 10-13-2008, 2:03 PM

i have a new cbr1000rr 08 and my engine is burning oil(500-600ML)every 1000km!i have the bike from june08 and until now i refiil the oil up to 10 times!the official dealer said to me that the honda wants to change the pistons but i am not agree and i demant or a new engine or a new bike.what is the last news about this matter?what i must do to take a new bike or a new engine?becase i dont want to rebuilt my bike