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When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do...
12-08-2005, 5:53 PM
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| When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... |
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12-08-2005, 5:58 PM
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#2 | | I'm working on it...ok?
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do...
Didn't you just put the RC up for sale?...... |
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12-08-2005, 6:00 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Yep, I found a use for the money I'll get from it, buy the wife a new car fund  |
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12-08-2005, 6:02 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... CR700AF?
Wonder who's making the motor for them? Rotax?
Did you see they have a SuperMotard kit for it? |
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12-08-2005, 6:13 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Probably Rotax. If that was a multi cylinder, it'd be pretty awesome, that just seems like too much displacement for a two-stroke single, probably redlines at like 6000rpm. I'd like to see a supermotard with a 500cc two-stroke twin |
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12-08-2005, 7:31 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Mattress Probably Rotax. If that was a multi cylinder, it'd be pretty awesome, that just seems like too much displacement for a two-stroke single, probably redlines at like 6000rpm. I'd like to see a supermotard with a 500cc two-stroke twin | Yeah, but you could probably tow a Mack truck with it. |
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12-08-2005, 8:04 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by luvtolean 
Wonder who's making the motor for them? Rotax? | http://www.maico.mxbikes.com/engine.htm |
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12-08-2005, 8:08 PM
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#8 | | Blow me.
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Mattress ... I'd like to see a supermotard with a 500cc two-stroke twin | How about a 550cc 4-stroke twin? |
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12-08-2005, 8:23 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... I'll take a two stroke thank you  |
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12-08-2005, 8:48 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by phobiaphobe | Don't let navydevildoc see that, he's lusting after one of those to go with his RSV. |
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12-08-2005, 9:00 PM
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#11 | | Mr. Brownstone
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... April, eh? I can't believe they're finally gonna offer it. I've been eyeing that for some time. |
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12-08-2005, 10:52 PM
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#12 | | Eject Eject Eject!
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Ooooh yeah, the RXV/SXV are pretty bad ass. One problem... distribution in the US for 06 is so limited that less than one per dealer will be shipped here. Everyone that has ridden them has loved it, and the hype is getting so loud that I expect those few units to get snatched up very quickly.
These just prove again that the Italians know how to make a damn sexy piece of machinery, but need to learn a few things about supply chain management. |
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12-08-2005, 11:04 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... The motor is made by Maico in Germany...that is not an official website... did you read the URL...  |
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12-08-2005, 11:07 PM
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#15 | | Mr. Brownstone
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by navydevildoc Ooooh yeah, the RXV/SXV are pretty bad ass. One problem... distribution in the US for 06 is so limited that less than one per dealer will be shipped here. Everyone that has ridden them has loved it, and the hype is getting so loud that I expect those few units to get snatched up very quickly.
These just prove again that the Italians know how to make a damn sexy piece of machinery, but need to learn a few things about supply chain management. | Crap. I'm calling my man Matt tomorrow. The only Aprilia dealer in the state, I'll see if it's already spoken for.
This is seriously one of two bikes I've been waiting to see produced so I could buy. |
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12-08-2005, 11:41 PM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do...  Yeah, it's a conspiracy. The 700 motor is definately a Maico. Cool link, check out the photo of the bore on the bottom! http://www.off-road.com/dirtbike/machines/2004/atk/700/ |
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12-09-2005, 12:01 AM
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#19 | | Blow me.
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by revkev Rotax has allways supplied the engines for ATK other than a very short stint with honda. Last i heard maico was maico of the netherlands. Did germany buy the name back? I figured maico was history. I used to ride maicos a lot, i still own a 490 sandspider and have restored several. i'll have to post a pic of the 1974 AW model i restored in 95. I allways have been a big maico nut, i guess not any more if i didnt no maico was back in germany. I guess there is hope of a comeback from maico.  | They speak English in Maico? Say Maico one more time mutha****a I dare ya. |
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12-09-2005, 12:02 AM
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#20 | | Blow me.
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by navydevildoc ...
These just prove again that the Italians know how to make a damn sexy piece of machinery, but need to learn a few things about supply chain management. |
Good point. One factor is that a lot of the time they won't allow their product to be sold alongside "Jap Crap" in multi-line toy stores. Of course, it takes a pretty huge market and some clever marketing to make a standalone Aprilia or Ducati store survive. |
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12-09-2005, 12:05 AM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... The shop NDD goes to in SD has every friggin' Euro bike made. MV, Aprilia, Ducati, Husky...
Quite the candy store. I had a hard time pulling myself away from the Tamburini they had. |
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12-09-2005, 12:16 AM
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#22 | | Blow me.
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... There's a boutique-style store here that has done really well with euro bikes... Ducati, Aprilia, Husaberg, etc. But you'll rarely see that stuff sold alongside Japanese bikes. www.revoluzione.com
They're actually doing a group trip to Laguna this year for USGP... I'm gonna go sit in on the info session next week, you know, just out of curiosity. |
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12-09-2005, 12:42 AM
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#24 | | Mr. Brownstone
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by luvtolean The shop NDD goes to in SD has every friggin' Euro bike made. MV, Aprilia, Ducati, Husky...
Quite the candy store. I had a hard time pulling myself away from the Tamburini they had. | That's what ours is as well. Mainly Ducati and Aprilia, but they do MV and others as well. One of the best mechanics I have ever met, and one of the fastest riders I know is the sales manager. LTL, you may have heard of him since you know Ricky Orlando, his name is Shane Turpin.
Anyway, I'll be checking with them to see if the limited thing is the case and how likely it is that I won't get one. |
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12-09-2005, 12:53 AM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... ATK? Aren't they generally regarded as being shitboxes? |
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12-09-2005, 2:54 AM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... I wonder if that 700 is based off this friggin beast.... http://www.off-road.com/dirtbike/nov00rsMaico760.html |
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12-09-2005, 3:33 AM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Mattress | Holy chit! A 2 stroke making 26 HP at 1200 rpm! And only getting 6 mpg! Amazing. |
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12-09-2005, 3:39 AM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do...
At least he admitted it, from that article: Quote: |
Obviously, lots of gas is wasted as it passes through the combustion chamber. Maybe that’s just nature’s way of telling us that perhaps a 760 single doesn’t make much sense.
| It has to be one of the most inefficient engines ever bolted in a bike.
I used to love reading Sieman's rants against 80's and 125's in Dirt Bike when I was a kid though. Funny stuff.
The test of the ATK Intimidator I posted above was also penned by Sieman. |
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12-09-2005, 4:56 AM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Ya, I used to love his colums in the dirt rags in the late 80's. I remember one great one where after the BLM axed the Barstow to Vegas race, him and a couple others ran a "protest" race. They followed them in choppers and finaly got them at their first fuel stop  |
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12-09-2005, 11:13 AM
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| Re: When 500cc of dirtbike just won't do... Quote: |
Originally Posted by luvtolean
I used to love reading Sieman's rants against 80's and 125's in Dirt Bike when I was a kid though. Funny stuff. | http://lucernevalley.org/local/rick01.htm
Rick Sieman was hilarious - his column in Dirtbike was called Superchunk or something, wasn't it?
Two strokes are dead for motocross - they just can't compete. |
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