Honda Off-Road: Discussion of Honda Off-Road Vehicles, including Honda Dirt Bikes, Honda ATVs, Honda 4-Wheelers, and Honda Watercraft.
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04-17-2006, 11:05 AM
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Join Date: 08-09-2001 Location: Vermont
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| Dirt Bike bound... I am looking in the world of off road now...and then the beg question comes to my mine - 2 stroke, or 4 stroke?
I am looking to be doing mostly woods/trial riding, but I will want to go out and rip up the sand pits...
what direction should I go, and why?
Also - I am about 6'0" 200Lbs, last dirt bike I owned was a KX 125 when I was in the 8th grade! |
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04-17-2006, 11:09 AM
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#2 | | Mr. Brownstone
Join Date: 02-07-2002 Location: UT
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Get a CRF450. I happen to know where an '06 is in pretty decent condition. The owner may or may not have enough garage space so you would be able to pick it up in the middle of the night.
All it would take is a quick trip to Texas. |
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04-17-2006, 12:26 PM
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Join Date: 07-25-2002 Location: Ridgecrest, CA
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by BDA116 Get a CRF450. I happen to know where an '06 is in pretty decent condition. The owner may or may not have enough garage space so you would be able to pick it up in the middle of the night.
All it would take is a quick trip to Texas. | BACK OFF! I all ready have dibs on that one. |
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04-17-2006, 1:24 PM
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Join Date: 08-09-2001 Location: Vermont
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Is the CRF450 too heavy to toss around quick like? |
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04-17-2006, 1:33 PM
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Join Date: 11-08-2001 Location: Houston, TX
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by BDA116 Get a CRF450. I happen to know where an '06 is in pretty decent condition. The owner may or may not have enough garage space so you would be able to pick it up in the middle of the night.
All it would take is a quick trip to Texas. | Quote: |
Originally Posted by RRWANTR BACK OFF! I all ready have dibs on that one. | LMFAO!!!  |
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04-17-2006, 1:34 PM
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Join Date: 11-08-2001 Location: Houston, TX
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by showmethebombs Is the CRF450 too heavy to toss around quick like? | Uh, J, you obviously haven't kept up with Motocross or Supercross lately.  |
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04-17-2006, 2:21 PM
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#7 | | Mr. Brownstone
Join Date: 02-07-2002 Location: UT
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Yeah, the CRF450 isn't much heavier than the CR250. It is a blast to ride, but it can definately toss you around quick like.  |
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04-18-2006, 8:34 AM
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Join Date: 08-09-2001 Location: Vermont
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... You're right Pete! I have been out of the loop for a bit!  I really want to go 4 stroke...so I am really happy to hear it is not air heavy!  |
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04-18-2006, 9:03 AM
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Join Date: 11-08-2001 Location: Houston, TX
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by showmethebombs You're right Pete! I have been out of the loop for a bit!  I really want to go 4 stroke...so I am really happy to hear it is not air heavy!  | A great bike to run trails and do occasional motoX tracks would be the 450X. It's a bit milder than the R model, but still runs like a banshee. And that electric start sure is nice. It's what I would have gotten had I not stumbled across such a great deal on this '06 R. |
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04-18-2006, 11:43 AM
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Join Date: 05-23-2001 Location: Around here.
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Pete A great bike to run trails and do occasional motoX tracks would be the 450X. It's a bit milder than the R model, but still runs like a banshee. And that electric start sure is nice. It's what I would have gotten had I not stumbled across such a great deal on this '06 R. | The man is correct, 450x is the shizdizzle. I think the MSO states 53hp and weight somewhere in the mid 230's?
Though if your looking for something street legal out of the box...it may take a little bit of work, but not much - being in Vt. and all 
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04-18-2006, 11:52 AM
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Join Date: 07-25-2002 Location: Ridgecrest, CA
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by SomeStrangeGuy Though if your looking for something street legal out of the box...it may take a little bit of work, but not much - being in Vt. and all  | Not tough at all. Buy an 06 Husky TE450 (or TE250 or their SM models) and it's 50 state DOT street legal out of the box.  |
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04-18-2006, 2:37 PM
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Join Date: 08-01-2001 Location: Lost
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... A CRF450 is NOTABLY heavier than a CR250. Not one CR450F rider that's tried it has neglected to talk about how light and flickable it felt.
If you can, get out on a CR250F. I haven't tried one, but several very experienced riding buddies prefer them on trails due to the lighter weight.
Out here in the dez, it's all about HP, and no doubt, the 450 is king. (though I still prefer my antique 2 stroke) |
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04-18-2006, 4:40 PM
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#13 | | All Gave Some & Some Gave None!
Join Date: 04-08-2006 Location: Inland Empire
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by showmethebombs I am looking in the world of off road now...and then the beg question comes to my mine - 2 stroke, or 4 stroke?
I am looking to be doing mostly woods/trial riding, but I will want to go out and rip up the sand pits...
what direction should I go, and why?
Also - I am about 6'0" 200Lbs, last dirt bike I owned was a KX 125 when I was in the 8th grade! | I currently own a 1999 CR250 and I wouldn't own ANYTHING else. The CR250 is a fantastic handling bike. It's light on it's feet and it's got power through low, med, and high. I have owned 125's, and I even owned a CR500...too heavy and not enough power.
Four strokes - you have to buy more bikje to get the same output as a two stroke. It's up to you. There is nothing a four stroke can do that my CR250 can't do. In fact - I usually win.
Good luck in your decision -  .....OMT - - I am 6' 0" and weigh 195lbs.
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04-18-2006, 5:07 PM
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Join Date: 11-08-2001 Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by tuffy6969 I usually win. | Your post lost all credibility with just those thee words. |
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04-18-2006, 5:54 PM
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#15 | | All Gave Some & Some Gave None!
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Pete Your post lost all credibility with just those thee words. | Okkkkk.........??????? Coming from the owner of a CRF450R.......you are bias.
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04-18-2006, 8:02 PM
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by tuffy6969 Okkkkk.........??????? Coming from the owner of a CRF450R.......you are bias. | Just winning is never enough, is the point. You must show them to truly win.
Then rep them.
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04-18-2006, 8:43 PM
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Join Date: 01-27-2003 Location: Rosamond, CA
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... 450's are the way to go out here with all the openess. |
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04-18-2006, 8:49 PM
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#18 | | All Gave Some & Some Gave None!
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by SomeStrangeGuy Just winning is never enough, is the point. You must show them to truly win.
Then rep them. | Oh...I agree. I think my message was taken out of context. It's up to the person buying the bike. All I can say is do your homework. If you do that - you will be happier with what you own. In MY opinion - I couldn't have a better bike than a CR250R. Then again - it's a Honda! 
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04-18-2006, 11:43 PM
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Join Date: 08-28-2001 Location: Valencia, CA
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by tuffy6969 There is nothing a four stroke can do that my CR250 can't do. | Bet you cant go 175 miles on 4 gallons like my 4 stroke 250    |
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04-19-2006, 12:40 AM
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Join Date: 07-27-2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Would you guys still recommend the CRF450 for a new dirt bike rider, but experienced street and track rider?? 6.1, 260lbs+? |
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04-19-2006, 9:35 AM
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#21 | | All Gave Some & Some Gave None!
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| Re: Dirt Bike bound... Quote: |
Originally Posted by G-Force Junkie | Bet you're right!
Mileage is not a 2-stroke's best feature!
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04-19-2006, 9:40 AM
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Join Date: 03-10-2004 Location: ManchVegas
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Originally Posted by firebladetoronto Would you guys still recommend the CRF450 for a new dirt bike rider, but experienced street and track rider?? 6.1, 260lbs+? | Maybe if it was someone I really didnt like.
Starting with a CRF450 on dirt is like starting out with a blade on the street, it can be done but isnt the smartest of choices.
My  is its better to start on a CRF250 and learn some more aggressive riding techniques then bump up to a 450 when you're ready. |
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04-19-2006, 9:42 AM
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Join Date: 11-08-2001 Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by tuffy6969 Okkkkk.........??????? Coming from the owner of a CRF450R.......you are bias. | My point was that it's pretty lame to claim to be a "winner" while you're sitting behind a keyboard.
Nowhere did I claim that a 4-stroke would be better than a 2-stroke for SMTB. I'm very new to dirtbike ownership, so I don't have a wealth of knowledge to share on the subject, and don't pretend to. |
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04-19-2006, 9:49 AM
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Join Date: 11-08-2001 Location: Houston, TX
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