michelin pilot power vs. pilot road 2CT

DemonRR · 11-22-2007, 10:40 AM

effortlessly, my defination. by seeing your next entrance to a turn/curve. thinkingg what you need to do, gently lifting the outside leg of said turn and the bike will fall into the turn naturally. i can take a turn by doing only this. not needing to counter-steer. this is on a nice sweeper. on a double apex blind turn, you bet your ass im counter-steering. i also have stomp grips, so this helps tremendously.

some people compare a 190/55 tire to riding on a 600 bike. from what ive heard a 600 bike is easier to turn than a liter bike. by putting a 55 series tire on a liter bike, changes the turn-in profile, thus making the intitial turn in much more easier.

as far as wear. i cant be of any help. 400 miles into my new set, i got a nail in the rear. sold it to a stunter and bought a new one. i only used the front for 1 track day, alsong with a brand new power race med compound. the pr did not push the front 2ct so i think the 2ct is a damn good tire none the less.

another good thing to keep in mind. you HAVE to trust your tires in order to become a better rider, wheather its on the street or the track. I FULLY TRUST my 2cts on the street and my power races on the track. i came off of stock diablo corsas and i had absolutely NO confidience in those tires. they were utter **** in my book.

CBR929RE · 11-22-2007, 1:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UncleJesse954

the thing that makes the 2ct worth the money (pretty much) is the way it wears evenly. it is the SAME compound as regular pilot powers on the SIDES offering excellent grip in the twisties. and more durable in the center. allowing the street rider to go STRAIGHT more often (highway/everyday commute) without flattening the middle. this design works great. i do a bit of highway and lots of regular commute. when i do hit the twisties it's enough to keep my tire round. or at least when the middle wears out the sides are never far behind. so i feel like i get my moneys worth.

thats true about the Road 2CTs. but the comment about being excessive was in regards to a Power 2CT which is the same in the middle as a regular Power but softer on the sides.

MACI4LIFE · 11-22-2007, 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

thats true about the Road 2CTs. but the comment about being excessive was in regards to a Power 2CT which is the same in the middle as a regular Power but softer on the sides.

+1

the middle is the same as the regular pp, but the sides are softer. I kinda wanted it harder in the middle and pp softness on the sides but oh well. Now that the road 2ct was mentioned i have a feeling that it is the tire that is harder in the middle yet regular pp softness on the sides.

zerogara · 11-23-2007, 4:06 AM

I just got new Metzeler M3s on and I like them!

If nothing else to me they build confidence! Where Dunlops didn't.

I have a friend who rides a zx11 for years, really rides more than anyone I ever met or heard! With passenger, bags, and 40lb dog sometimes. He doesn't believe there is anything else worth riding on than Michelins.
He wears them out like dress shoes in an oval track!
When he usually replaces them the chords are showing on the sides, not in the middle!

So I will not argue with you, but I like the feeling of the M3s!

Koz

UncleJesse954 · 11-25-2007, 1:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

thats true about the Road 2CTs. but the comment about being excessive was in regards to a Power 2CT which is the same in the middle as a regular Power but softer on the sides.

oh. well i was talking about power2ct. thats what i run. i think they're worth every penny. they feel great. you can lean pretty hard on them. and they stay round. if you hit the twisties at least once or twice a week. maybe i try the pilot road next time though. i didn't know the edges were softer on mine. i figured (common sense would suggest) that the pilot power 2ct has a harder compound in the middle and same on the sides as regual pp. and if the pilot road 2ct had same sides as a pilot power with tougher center, then why ever run a regular pilot power? what is price diff between road 2ct and pp regular?

jonathan · 11-25-2007, 7:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jonathan

Just to put in prespective,
Rubber softness is only one side (and very limmited one) of adhesion. The main diffrence between the sport touring, sport (street) and race tires is in construction (Bike Magazine March issue 07 if I recall correctly).
The fact that 2 Pilot Road 2CT has the same rubber as PP does not make it equal in adhesion/handling on the same lean angle.

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Originally Posted by UncleJesse954

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then why ever run a regular pilot power? what is price diff between road 2ct and pp regular?

As stated before - a tire is not a ballon, adhesion does not come only from the rubbeer, construction plays even a bigger role in adhesion than rubber softness.

UncleJesse954 · 11-25-2007, 8:30 PM

i see. still a different contact patch in the different constructions

zerogara · 11-25-2007, 11:27 PM

You can construct a tire to maximize the abilities of a certain compound around a certain bike, in a certain very unique condition (track, temp.,lean angle, suspension reaction, weight, moments etc.) but it may suck in a slightly different condition. You may construct an ideal suspension around a tire for a very specific condition and utilize its capabilities. The trick is to construct a bike and the suspension, and the tire, to behave well over a spread of conditions (braking, accelerating, cornering, a combination of the two, in cold and hot temperatures, in rough slippery terrain, in smooth gripy terrain, etc etc. The wider the spread the wider the compromises.
And after all this is done and accepted, there is control. Control is not directly related to performance in a specific condition, it is to gradually go from one condition to the next and not have performance fluctuations.
This is hard to design! The more you push the envelop of design to maximize performance the harder control becomes.
Explain why a 500cc mx bike can be turned into an SM bike, and go around some time canyon roads in time that no 1 liter supersport can match. The first can not corner as well (in a static condition), not brake as well, not accerate as fast. Meanwhile the stopwatch is not wrong, same capability riders will switch bikes back and forth and the SM comes out first ALL the time. Control! A 240lb bike in certain conditions can dance around and fluctuate from one condition to the next much more predictably than the 180hp 380lb monster can!

If you can watch this without your heartbeat hitting 100+ you are in either good shape or totally stoned

But this is a good example of what I am talking about!
YouTube - Agios Ioannis highlights

zerogara · 11-25-2007, 11:43 PM

Sorry, wrong link, here is the link to the whole video where the SMs kick butt

UncleJesse954 · 11-26-2007, 12:05 AM

56k here. they wont run cable down my road. no youtube. how much is hughesnet these days. anybody use satelite?

DVIII · 12-06-2007, 5:07 PM

Ok, i am in the market to buy new tires soon, and this thread is good, but i am thoroughly confused.
Anyone care to help out?
So from what i understand there are Pilot Powers and Pilot Powers 2CT
Then there are Pilot Road and Pilot road 2CT??

i know i want a dual compound, but how will i decide between Road 2CT and Powers 2CT?

also, no one has mentioned a good place to buy: Good Price, cheap shipping, reliable and fast!

Thanks!

DemonRR · 12-06-2007, 5:16 PM

cant give you any imput as what michelins are what. ive only ran the stock diablos (which F'n suck balls), the pilot power 2ct's, and the power race on the track.

as who sells them. try superbikesupply.com or sportbiketrackgear.com. inform both of them i sent you, and you should get a better rate. i know (personally) the guys that own/run sportbiketrackgear. they are also affiliated with sportbiketracktime (STT).

dave

jonathan · 12-06-2007, 6:46 PM

If discussing tires,

Current deal in Cycle Gear is D209 qualifier front+rear for 200$.

FYI.

pilotbc69 · 09-07-2008, 6:56 AM

I am running a pilot Road 2CT (actually called the pilot road 2) on my 1000rr and have put a few hundred KM on it so far. It actually ended up on my bike accidentally. I told the shop to put a pilot power 2CT on the front and it wasn't until a week later that I actually read the sidewall and found that disturbing little bit of information

. Kind of like the coke test. I was pushing them pretty well in the mountain twisties and was really happy with them...now that I found out they are the roads I am extremely happy with them. They heat up nicely and stick well in the rain. I have a diablo on the rear end with plenty of tread left but I have no faith in it at all. It is forever slipping away from under me and I can't wait to get it off!! I might even throw a pilot road on the back I am that pleased with them...same price as the power so we'll just have to wait and see.