michelin pilot power vs. pilot road 2CT

chickens_daddy · 11-19-2007, 1:53 AM

pilot powers or pilot road 2CT buns? pros, cons to each?

Fishboy · 11-19-2007, 3:49 PM

they also make the pilot power 2ct...the 'roads' are more of a commuter tire, where are the 'powers' are better suited for 'twisties' and/or track days

DemonRR · 11-19-2007, 7:09 PM

pp 2ct's. the only steet tire i will EVER buy from now on.

mastashake72 · 11-19-2007, 9:58 PM

I for one would like to hear from someone who has used the new Pilot Road 2's. They would seem to be a good tire for longer road trips. I took a trip up the coast and put a flat patch on my new Power 2CT rear. Awesome tire though!

adnoH..15CR · 11-20-2007, 1:42 AM

i use on my bike pilot power...Very good tyre...only it have short life....3000 km of normal drive...and it's gone....But...you must pay attention on white stripes on the road...no grip at all..everything else is just fine.

playwme · 11-20-2007, 3:30 AM

I was talking to the Michelin Rep today at work. 2CT means its a dual compound tyre. Harder in the middle than on the sides, gving you commuting durability as well as good grip for hooning. Pilot road gives a slightly longer life , but they don't compromise too much in the grip department. Powers are the super sticky ones though. Best to buy the best in my opinion.

jonathan · 11-20-2007, 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by adnoH..15CR

i use on my bike pilot power...Very good tyre...only it have short life....3000 km of normal drive...and it's gone....But...you must pay attention on white stripes on the road...no grip at all..everything else is just fine.

Thats very short life span.
I had a PP and they lasted 8000 km and done nothing but fast road riding.

gthotchkiss · 11-20-2007, 8:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DemonRR

pp 2ct's. the only steet tire i will EVER buy from now on.

??? are you being serious?

Thats more of a track tire, not a road tire. Where do they have up there that you can push that hard? I've used PP on the road and they have MORE than enough grip. PR 2cts have the PP equivalent on the sides of the tire. My dad's actually tried those (PR 2cts) up in the mountains and he was dragging peg left and right on his FJR. Best tire he's ever riden (however he has NOT tried PP's)

pp 2cts are more expensive and you will get no where near the mileage... I could understand if you like their performance, but the ONLY STREET tire you will ever buy?

jonathan · 11-20-2007, 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gthotchkiss

??? are you being serious?

Thats more of a track tire, not a road tire. Where do they have up there that you can push that hard? I've used PP on the road and they have MORE than enough grip. PR 2cts have the PP equivalent on the sides of the tire. My dad's actually tried those (PR 2cts) up in the mountains and he was dragging peg left and right on his FJR. Best tire he's ever riden (however he has NOT tried PP's)

pp 2cts are more expensive and you will get no where near the mileage... I could understand if you like their performance, but the ONLY STREET tire you will ever buy?

Just to put in prespective,
Rubber softness is only one side (and very limmited one) of adhesion. The main diffrence between the sport touring, sport (street) and race tires is in construction (Bike Magazine March issue 07 if I recall correctly).
The fact that 2 Pilot Road 2CT has the same rubber as PP does not make it equal in adhesion/handling on the same lean angle.

gthotchkiss · 11-20-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jonathan

Just to put in prespective,
Rubber softness is only one side (and very limmited one) of adhesion. The main diffrence between the sport touring, sport (street) and race tires is in construction (Bike Magazine March issue 07 if I recall correctly).
The fact that 2 Pilot Road 2CT has the same rubber as PP does not make it equal in adhesion/handling on the same lean angle.

Thats interesting, I did not know that.

I think my point still stands though, PP 2cts as the ONLY street tire is a bit excessive.

jonathan · 11-20-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gthotchkiss

Thats interesting, I did not know that.

I think my point still stands though, PP 2cts as the ONLY street tire is a bit excessive.

Surelly for anything but suciadial riding the PP will suffice.

however I have been caught fantasizing on the 190/55 profile which only available with the 2CT.
Anyone with me on this?

mastashake72 · 11-20-2007, 11:43 AM

The carcass of the PP and PP2CT is softer than the Roads, if I remember right. The 2CT has the same center rubber as the PP but softer on the sides, so there should be no more damage done to the center than on a regular PP. My 2 cents.

Beattie_Yo · 11-20-2007, 11:51 AM

i squeezed 10,000 miles out of my regular pilot powers and i loved every mile. they warm up super fast and stay warm, they have gobs of grip for "hard enogh" street riding....but that was on my old monster....i have same tires on my RC now, and when i comes time to get new rubber i will def try pp 2ct's cuz i know they will be just as good if not better

CBR929RE · 11-20-2007, 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mastashake72

The carcass of the PP and PP2CT is softer than the Roads, if I remember right. The 2CT has the same center rubber as the PP but softer on the sides, so there should be no more damage done to the center than on a regular PP. My 2 cents.

thats what I've read about them.

The Pilot Powers were awesome on the street and so are the 2CTs but I really only got the 2CTs because I wanted to try them out, plus I used them on the track. They worked excellent for a track newbie. 5 days on them and a few thousand street miles and still good life left.

DemonRR · 11-20-2007, 5:24 PM

yes, i will only run 2ct's on the street and power races on the track. i rarely street ride any more. its not that much fun. and when i do street ride, im hitting the twisties in Ann Arbor. 118 miles of twists and turns. some double apexes and blind curvs that will send you in the ditch if your not careful.

****, im paying 310.00 a set for the 2ct's delivered and thats with a 55 series rear too. im not a cheap ass, and i will not skimp out on rubber.. weather it be on the track or in the sack.

MACI4LIFE · 11-20-2007, 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jonathan

Thats very short life span.
I had a PP and they lasted 8000 km and done nothing but fast road riding.

i'm at 8000km's now ( road riding + 1 track day) and i still have atleast 50% tread left.

this is my third set of powers ( 1st 2ct rear). and i've been consistantly over 11000 km's for the last 2.

jonathan · 11-21-2007, 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DemonRR

yes, i will only run 2ct's on the street and power races on the track. i rarely street ride any more. its not that much fun. and when i do street ride, im hitting the twisties in Ann Arbor. 118 miles of twists and turns. some double apexes and blind curvs that will send you in the ditch if your not careful.

****, im paying 310.00 a set for the 2ct's delivered and thats with a 55 series rear too. im not a cheap ass, and i will not skimp out on rubber.. weather it be on the track or in the sack.

Can you comment on how is it to ride a 55 section vs. 50 section tire?

jonathan · 11-21-2007, 1:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MACI4LIFE

i'm at 8000km's now ( road riding + 1 track day) and i still have atleast 50% tread left.

this is my third set of powers ( 1st 2ct rear). and i've been consistantly over 11000 km's for the last 2.

So we've gut one saying they lastet 3000Km while others state 8000Km and yet again some others state 11,000Km (or even more...16,0000)
All on mostly a streer riding.

How would you explain that?

UncleJesse954 · 11-21-2007, 2:28 AM

some people ride easy on the street. some people burn the tire at every red light. and everything in between

DemonRR · 11-21-2007, 6:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jonathan

Can you comment on how is it to ride a 55 section vs. 50 section tire?

its a night and day diffeence. turn in is so much better. almost effortlessly. ill always run a 55 rear. try it out. you will thank me for it.

jonathan · 11-21-2007, 6:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DemonRR

its a night and day diffeence. turn in is so much better. almost effortlessly. ill always run a 55 rear. try it out. you will thank me for it.

When you saying "effortlessly" are you comparing the 190/55 to a 190/50 with the tail raised by 10mm or not?

What about stability? is better/worse/no change.

What about the taller gearing? with the 190/55 its even worse.

DemonRR · 11-21-2007, 6:58 AM

ok, i didnt touch the suspension since i put the 55 on. what i mean by effortlessly-- well i dont have to tip the bike into a corner, i gently lift my indide lag with my body positioned and she falls right into place.

i went +1 tooth on the rear ONLY to compensate for the 55 tire. otherwise stock gearing.

jonathan · 11-21-2007, 7:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DemonRR

ok, i didnt touch the suspension since i put the 55 on. what i mean by effortlessly-- well i dont have to tip the bike into a corner, i gently lift my indide lag with my body positioned and she falls right into place.

i went +1 tooth on the rear ONLY to compensate for the 55 tire. otherwise stock gearing.

Thanks for the inputs

regarding the gearing - well that sounds good, you've restored the original gearing by adding 1 tooth.

As for the geometry the 190/55 is a higher profile so it equals to lifting the rear by 10mm (~ 0.05 * 190).
Its hard to know where the effortless comes from - geometry change or profile (read aspect ratio) change.

What about stability - any impact on stability (straight line or otherwise) ?

MACI4LIFE · 11-21-2007, 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jonathan

So we've gut one saying they lastet 3000Km while others state 8000Km and yet again some others state 11,000Km (or even more...16,0000)
All on mostly a streer riding.

How would you explain that?

For me, the amount of km's on each tire has been consistant so it must be riding styles. I do ride aggressive on the road ( when going up north of t.o), but the middle seems to keep up.

Tire pressure is a big factor. As crazy as it sounds ,i tried 39 psi on the rear tire this set ( recommended by someone i ride with) and this tire is lasting the longest for sure.

I will try and take a picture of the tire.

MACI4LIFE · 11-21-2007, 4:56 PM

here's the picture of my current 190/55 2ct tire at approx 8000 km's i didn't do a close up of the tread but it's still pretty deep. NOtice that it's just starting to square off at this many km's.

rokitt51 · 11-21-2007, 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gthotchkiss

Thats interesting, I did not know that.

I think my point still stands though, PP 2cts as the ONLY street tire is a bit excessive.

Why is it so excessive? That is his pref. If he wants to spend shedloads of money on tires every few miles, then let him do it. But that is exactly what the PP is, a street tire.

jonathan · 11-22-2007, 1:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MACI4LIFE

For me, the amount of km's on each tire has been consistant so it must be riding styles. I do ride aggressive on the road ( when going up north of t.o), but the middle seems to keep up.

Tire pressure is a big factor. As crazy as it sounds ,i tried 39 psi on the rear tire this set ( recommended by someone i ride with) and this tire is lasting the longest for sure.

I will try and take a picture of the tire.

same here I also found the wear down to be consistant.
In my riding bodies also had some diffrances in wear down rate (something like +-10%).

Tarmac might also play a factor here (diffrent states diffrent tarmac).