The UAW is doing "REALLY" bad

FB1000inPA · 12-29-2008, 4:31 PM

Check out this article and tell me what I don't seem to understand.

FOXNews.com - Autoworkers Union Keeps $6 Million Golf Course for Members at $33 Million Lakeside Retreat - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

bladeracer · 12-29-2008, 5:10 PM

The only thing I don't understand is how these auto workers can look decent honest hard-working Americans in the face and beg for more money.

Surffrog · 12-30-2008, 11:43 AM

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The only thing I don't understand is how these auto workers can look decent honest hard-working Americans in the face and beg for more money.

They're not just looking at the Americans and begging for money; they're doing it in Europe too

lanbrown · 12-30-2008, 11:49 AM

And Canada. You name it and they are asking for money.

The company that owns Chrysler has a lot of money too. Maybe they should live up to their name:
Cerberus Capital Management

Surffrog · 12-30-2008, 11:58 AM

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And Canada. You name it and they are asking for money.

The company that owns Chrysler has a lot of money too. Maybe they should live up to their name:
Cerberus Capital Management

Well, you can't expect the truth from a company named after a creature with three heads

lanbrown · 12-30-2008, 11:59 AM

I wonder if their motto is:
Hear no evil, see no evil and do evil.

Surffrog · 12-30-2008, 12:08 PM

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I wonder if their motto is:
Hear no evil, see no evil and do evil.

Well, if you changed the last one to "speak no evil" then yes. Do no evil? That's never an option.

lanbrown · 12-30-2008, 12:14 PM

But they have spoke evil; give me money. They bought Chrysler (over 80%) and they want money. It is a private company.

Surffrog · 12-30-2008, 12:27 PM

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But they have spoke evil; give me money. They bought Chrysler (over 80%) and they want money. It is a private company.

Then it which case they are preparing to "do evil" as well, by taking money.

lanbrown · 12-30-2008, 12:29 PM

Yep. maybe each head is Moe, Larry and Curly.

TattooedGQ · 12-30-2008, 12:30 PM

I'm completely against this bailout thing...Let the free market reign. If they can't clean themselves up let them fail. Maybe I wouldn't be against it if all the taxpayers who essentially are buying the big 3 get a car out of the deal. I'll take that Z06 Corvette or challenger SRT-8 right about now.

Surffrog · 01-05-2009, 7:58 AM

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Yep. maybe each head is Moe, Larry and Curly.

I quite agree.

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I'm completely against this bailout thing...Let the free market reign. If they can't clean themselves up let them fail. Maybe I wouldn't be against it if all the taxpayers who essentially are buying the big 3 get a car out of the deal. I'll take that Z06 Corvette or challenger SRT-8 right about now.

on the 'vette.

dr256 · 02-19-2009, 12:41 PM

Good Idea Tattoo - we should get free mortgages from the banks as well as cars - in the UK we may bail out Jaguar so a new Jag sounds great. All we need to do is get our governments to bail out Honda - new blades all round - Eurocopter - always wanted a helicopter -

Who would you bail out?

jkobflys · 02-19-2009, 1:02 PM

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I'm completely against this bailout thing...Let the free market reign. If they can't clean themselves up let them fail. Maybe I wouldn't be against it if all the taxpayers who essentially are buying the big 3 get a car out of the deal. I'll take that Z06 Corvette or challenger SRT-8 right about now.

I agree, if you are a major corporation and have been in buss. for as long as these have been and you cant be profitable then you deserve to fail,
understanding that people cant buy cars if they don't have jobs. but the big 3 should of had a better plan. as a small business owner you are always looking to make production of the parts you make cheaper and more cost effective as time goes on I have been in in buss. for just under 3 years and when i get a repeat order it's always easier and faster the second time around, the big 3 have had decades to perfect their craft and production lines, so why does it only take a couple of years of profit loss to incinerate them?
the high cost of union labor.

nedro · 02-19-2009, 1:19 PM

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Check out this article and tell me what I don't seem to understand.

How much time do you have???

YouTube - Keith Olbermann on autoworker pay

jkobflys · 02-19-2009, 4:29 PM

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How much time do you have???

YouTube - Keith Olbermann on autoworker pay

Ok, then if whats said is true. $28.00hr. is not irrational by any means.
American Honda factories pay about $15.00hr. i heard this on a national public radio, news segment.
so my question still remains is the fall of the big 3 directly driven by the fall of sales in the car market?
the high cost of payroll ?(not including retired pay)
the ongoing benefits being payed ?
or the corporate aholes?

lanbrown · 02-19-2009, 8:03 PM

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Ok, then if whats said is true. $28.00hr. is not irrational by any means.
American Honda factories pay about $15.00hr. i heard this on a national public radio, news segment.
so my question still remains is the fall of the big 3 directly driven by the fall of sales in the car market?
the high cost of payroll ?(not including retired pay)
the ongoing benefits being payed ?
or the corporate aholes?

All of the above. It is time for the UAW to go. They spend more on political contributions than they do on the people they represent. The UAW also sold a chunk of them out just to protect the UAW themselves. So much for supporting the people they are paid to represent.

Balaormiga · 02-19-2009, 9:10 PM

I read where the UAW has over a Billion dollars in assets including that golf course.

I fail to understand why an organization that supposedly exists to prevent the employees from being taken advantage of should have any non liquid assets.

exit90a · 02-19-2009, 10:14 PM

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Who would you bail out?

I'll be bailing out porn chicks, cuban cigars and fine scotch, thank you very much.

exit90a · 02-19-2009, 10:18 PM

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or the corporate aholes?

Yes, exactly!!! Fire 90% of those worthless, bloated, spoiled turds and the company will do fine. Fire 90% of your actual work force and see how long the doors stay open.

jkobflys · 02-19-2009, 11:28 PM

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I'll be bailing out porn chicks, cuban cigars and fine scotch, thank you very much.

Nothing but class exit... nothing but class...

Surffrog · 02-20-2009, 5:08 AM

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I agree, if you are a major corporation and have been in buss. for as long as these have been and you cant be profitable then you deserve to fail,

Can I point out that Toyota (a company which has made a profit for every year of its existence has also just posted a massive loss. However, at least they (and Honda) said that all executives will take big salary cuts in order to help the companies survive and to spread the cuts across many people rather kill-off the jobs of those on the shop floor. That action seem logical to me. The Japanese do have a habit of thinking long-term and we should take a leaf out their books.

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understanding that people cant buy cars if they don't have jobs. but the big 3 should of had a better plan. as a small business owner you are always looking to make production of the parts you make cheaper and more cost effective as time goes on I have been in in buss. for just under 3 years and when i get a repeat order it's always easier and faster the second time around, the big 3 have had decades to perfect their craft and production lines, so why does it only take a couple of years of profit loss to incinerate them?

A very good question. And again it's not like they haven't had a good model to work from - the Japanese automotive industry. I think the answer lays within the term "Protectionism".

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I'll be bailing out porn chicks, cuban cigars and fine scotch, thank you very much.

I like the cut of your gib

lanbrown · 02-20-2009, 1:02 PM

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Can I point out that Toyota (a company which has made a profit for every year of its existence has also just posted a massive loss. However, at least they (and Honda) said that all executives will take big salary cuts in order to help the companies survive and to spread the cuts across many people rather kill-off the jobs of those on the shop floor. That action seem logical to me. The Japanese do have a habit of thinking long-term and we should take a leave out their books.

The Toyota loss comes from the fact that Toyota could smell being the largest automaker and they went for it. It was a bad move as it created more capacity then what they really needed and that is why they are posting their first loss. They are doing the right thing but cutting executive pay though.

The US automakers have more people then what they really need; that is thanks to the union.

imcamod81 · 04-02-2009, 1:49 AM

The thing about the Keith Olberman piece is that he distorts the truth. The truth is that for every hour of labor that produces a car, the cost is $72. That is a cost whether the current worker is getting the benefit or not, that is the cost.

I have 15 employees under me. The highest paid employee makes around the $24 per hour range. The actual cost to the city is more like the $30. Not that big of a jump. So there is something in the numbers that Mr. Olberman is trying to dismiss.

I think there is a link between businesses failing and the impact that labor unions have had. There was a time when the unions did one heck of good thing for the American workforce. I think that time has passed. I wonder if the steel industry would still be around if there would have been some more concessions along the way.

I am all for letting them go through the bankruptcy process. We have a law against what the administration is doing. Actually it is a constitutional amendment. It refers to offering equal protection to all citizens. So where was the federal government when the last small business failed? Why didn't they come in and save them? Where was their bailout? Why are the auto makers treated separately from the rest of the country?

This whole thing stinks like communism! McCarthy is doing handsprings in his grave!

jkobflys · 04-02-2009, 2:35 AM

Both GM and Chrysler will be BK before the year ends, GM will be in some kind of Gov. induced coma and Chrysler will be gone gone gone....

bladeracer · 04-02-2009, 5:28 AM

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Both GM and Chrysler will be BK before the year ends, GM will be in some kind of Gov. induced coma and Chrysler will be gone gone gone....

Can we get Harley included in that deal :-)

Surffrog · 04-02-2009, 6:04 AM

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Can we get Harley included in that deal :-)

God lord willing and the creek not rising; yes

.OrgOwner · 05-14-2009, 8:51 PM

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The US automakers have more people then what they really need; that is thanks to the union.

Yeah those trade unions contain a lot of good minds don't they...