[liyer01]

Hey Guys and Girls,

Look I know this is Honda site and all which is a bike I shall get once I'm on my full license (Australian). For the time being however the Honda bikes are too small for me as I am 6' 2" but not heavy at all just tall. The Hyosung's and Suzuki's have been recommended to me for first bikes as they are larger and would suite me more. Now seeing the new Hyosung 2010 EFI models I can't for the life of me find a review written by someone genuine instead of a reporter (no offence to any here). So if anyone could let me know if they have tried the Hyosung GT650R as that is the model I shall more tha likely be getting as its cheaper to buy and cheaper to de-restrict. Whereas the suzuki's are $1000 to de-restrict and cost more to buy the new Hyosung's are $180 to de-restrict when you get it serviced and are cheaper brand new. If you could help me out would be awesome. However don't hold it against me those of you who hate Hyosung as my bike once on open license should theoretically be the CBR1000RR.
Just for those who missed the point, I am just about to get the L's again an Australian License.

[LoopyLee]

First of all , I'm afraid I can't help you with your potential bike but good luck with it

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by liyer01

Hey Guys and Girls,

Look I know this is Honda site and all which is a bike I shall get once I'm on my full license (Australian). For the time being however the Honda bikes are too small for me as I am 6' 2" but not heavy at all just tall. The Hyosung's and Suzuki's have been recommended to me for first bikes as they are larger and would suite me more. Now seeing the new Hyosung 2010 EFI models I can't for the life of me find a review written by someone genuine instead of a reporter (no offence to any here). So if anyone could let me know if they have tried the Hyosung GT650R as that is the model I shall more tha likely be getting as its cheaper to buy and cheaper to de-restrict. Whereas the suzuki's are $1000 to de-restrict and cost more to buy the new Hyosung's are $180 to de-restrict when you get it serviced and are cheaper brand new. If you could help me out would be awesome. However don't hold it against me those of you who hate Hyosung as my bike once on open license should theoretically be the CBR1000RR.
Just for those who missed the point, I am just about to get the L's again an Australian License.

Can't really help as I've never ridden any Hyosung but I don't see the relevance of derestriction if you aren't planning on keeping it after you get your open licence anyway. If you mean that you intend to derestrict it immediately and ride it illegally while you are restricted I wouldn't recommend it. Police officers, crash investigators and insurance assessors aren't stupid. I also wouldn't recommend buying new for your first bike if you intend to sell it in a year or two. If you buy something decent secondhand you can quite likely sell it for little less than you paid for it and what you save can go straight into the 1000RR that you probably intend to keep for a lot longer.

[sheepofblue]

Hyo's are Chinese Suzuki knock-offs (I think legal copies but not sure)

[liyer01]

Originally Posted by bladeracer

.....but I don't see the relevance of derestriction if you aren't planning on keeping it after you get your open licence anyway. If you mean that you intend to derestrict it immediately and ride it illegally while you are restricted I wouldn't recommend it.

nah nah im not going to derestrict immediately i was just defending myself incase someone said about being wrong area to talk about hyosung as i couldnt see a hyosung area to talk. but i will keep it for awhile after full license not sell immediately just down the track i will get a honda hopefully unless they are all too small for me

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Hyo's are Chinese Suzuki knock-offs (I think legal copies but not sure)

I don't think so.
They did buy a licence to build copies of the SV650 engine I think but early ones were made of cheese :-)
Like the Honda NSR150's made in Thailand, I don't think any part of them is actually made by Honda - probably not even the Honda stickers. Those things are junk.

[Bonefish]

Originally Posted by liyer01

nah nah im not going to derestrict immediately i was just defending myself incase someone said about being wrong area to talk about hyosung as i couldnt see a hyosung area to talk. but i will keep it for awhile after full license not sell immediately just down the track i will get a honda hopefully unless they are all too small for me

I'm 6'3 and although a 1000 mile trip would be a nightmare , my blade is fine on shorter (200-300 mile) runs

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by liyer01

nah nah im not going to derestrict immediately i was just defending myself incase someone said about being wrong area to talk about hyosung as i couldnt see a hyosung area to talk. but i will keep it for awhile after full license not sell immediately just down the track i will get a honda hopefully unless they are all too small for me

You can talk about whatever bikes you're interested in :-)
I'm 6'1.5" and I haven't have too much trouble fitting most 250's.
Have you ridden the GPX250R? They're an incredibly versatile bike, extremely reliable with abundant parts supply and great resale value. Some places even have racing classes for them. I found the ZZR250 to offer no improvement over the GPX to offset the extra weight.

[liyer01]

Originally Posted by bladeracer

Have you ridden the GPX250R?

No i havent ridden it but i shall remember that and look into it cause the way i see it is im looking at hyosung cause cheaper and its 650cc and can be derestricted after im legally allowed to cheaply and i will keep it for a little while or until my mrs says "yes you can get the honda cbr100rr and i will help pay for it" but too be honest i dont see that in the near future hence getting something i might keep a few years or more into my full license

[liyer01]

Originally Posted by Bonefish

I'm 6'3 and although a 1000 mile trip would be a nightmare , my blade is fine on shorter (200-300 mile) runs

Yeah see i live in victoria and me and a mate are planning on a tasmania trip dumping our gear somewhere and just spending the days riding around country side....... and possibly road trip or two too adelaide to one day ill get to esperence in WA fantastic place but might need cruiser otherwise there wont be much left on my bum on sports bike lol

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by liyer01

No i havent ridden it but i shall remember that and look into it cause the way i see it is im looking at hyosung cause cheaper and its 650cc and can be derestricted after im legally allowed to cheaply and i will keep it for a little while or until my mrs says "yes you can get the honda cbr100rr and i will help pay for it" but too be honest i dont see that in the near future hence getting something i might keep a few years or more into my full license

One drawback to the 650's, to my mind at least, when you're resticted to low horsepower why make it even worse by riding a heavier bike.
I just pulled some numbers from their website.
Hyosung Motors America - Ridden by the world
The GT650R is 202kg dry and has 79hp but the "-40" version is restricted to 40hp. Compare that to the GPX250R at 136kg dry and about 33hp the 650 is like you're dragging a pillion around with you all the time.

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by liyer01

Yeah see i live in victoria and me and a mate are planning on a tasmania trip dumping our gear somewhere and just spending the days riding around country side....... and possibly road trip or two too adelaide to one day ill get to esperence in WA fantastic place but might need cruiser otherwise there wont be much left on my bum on sports bike lol

I did Perth to MacNamara Park and back on my 929 :-)
I also did Philip Island to Mallala and back on my GSXR750.

[Destructo]

Originally Posted by bladeracer

I also wouldn't recommend buying new for your first bike if you intend to sell it in a year or two. If you buy something decent secondhand you can quite likely sell it for little less than you paid for it and what you save can go straight into the 1000RR that you probably intend to keep for a lot longer.

I would definitely go 2nd hand - lots of us drop our 1st bikes too which is not so disheartening if it's a used cheapie.

Originally Posted by bladeracer

I'm 6'1.5"

typical, Bladeracer - accurate to 1/2 inch

[Destructo]

Sorry I forgot to throw in my on the original question....

I have never ridden either bike, but the UK bike press has compared the GT650 and SV650 a few times. Generally, from memory, the Suzuki is regarded as the better of the 2 - better built, better to ride, better components (and the SV is a budget bike to start off with).

From what I remember, the Hyosung is not a lot cheaper than the Suzuki over here, which usually leads to the conclusion to go for the Suzuki.

Not sure if this is of any use, but there it is anyway.

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by Destructo

I would definitely go 2nd hand - lots of us drop our 1st bikes too which is not so disheartening if it's a used cheapie.



typical, Bladeracer - accurate to 1/2 inch

I crashed my first road bike perhaps a dozen times in the year I owned it.
Yes, I used to be 6'2" but years of carrying big hunks of jarrah on my shoulders have compressed me :-)

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by Destructo

Sorry I forgot to throw in my on the original question....

I have never ridden either bike, but the UK bike press has compared the GT650 and SV650 a few times. Generally, from memory, the Suzuki is regarded as the better of the 2 - better built, better to ride, better components (and the SV is a budget bike to start off with).

From what I remember, the Hyosung is not a lot cheaper than the Suzuki over here, which usually leads to the conclusion to go for the Suzuki.

Not sure if this is of any use, but there it is anyway.

The early Hyosung 650's were known here for their cheese-like cranks that exploded at the least provocation. They have improved that though :-)

[liyer01]

Originally Posted by bladeracer

I did Perth to MacNamara Park and back on my 929 :-)
I also did Philip Island to Mallala and back on my GSXR750.

i was hoping to have it all organised by october this year for moto gp as i live in vic its not hard to get too but then i thought "hang on every single person will ride there lets be different lets bus it" lol
i must say though that although some may say sports bikes arent good for road trips i dont think i would really like a tourer til im over 40 hahaha
but im hoping that the new improvements on the new gt650r would be a good thing and not step backwards. but even dry weight shouldnt be too bad i mean cause its gonna be bout 2 years til full license and living in vic it rains majority of time but ill see how we go cause i dont mind putting up with heavy for awhile at least then it may make me slow down more etc (just an asumption)

good responses btw to you all....enjoyable talks so kudos to you all

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by liyer01

i was hoping to have it all organised by october this year for moto gp as i live in vic its not hard to get too but then i thought "hang on every single person will ride there lets be different lets bus it" lol
i must say though that although some may say sports bikes arent good for road trips i dont think i would really like a tourer til im over 40 hahaha
but im hoping that the new improvements on the new gt650r would be a good thing and not step backwards. but even dry weight shouldnt be too bad i mean cause its gonna be bout 2 years til full license and living in vic it rains majority of time but ill see how we go cause i dont mind putting up with heavy for awhile at least then it may make me slow down more etc (just an asumption)

good responses btw to you all....enjoyable talks so kudos to you all

I went to the MotoGP once and would never bother again. Traffic, expense, drunks, hoons and you get to see a small part of each lap.
Much better to watch it on TV and spend the time and money doing track days :-)

[liyer01]

Originally Posted by bladeracer

I went to the MotoGP once and would never bother again. Traffic, expense, drunks, hoons and you get to see a small part of each lap.
Much better to watch it on TV and spend the time and money doing track days :-)

hahaha well i havent been to moto gp been to the V8 Clipsal couple times and F1 this year and saw THE WHO PLAY LIVE $300+ tickets but i didnt pay but that was the highlight....next is moto gp and yes drunks can be an issue but for some reason i find them amusing i dont mind watching the odd drunks here and there especially in a dutch family you get used to all that

[Terminex]

I am 6'5" and find the new 1000RR to be very comfortable for 6 hour riding days with no problem.

Now, this is my second bike, I would NOT recommend it for a first bike, WAY too much power to my thinking.

I bought my first bike 3 months ago and went with a 2007 VFR800 Interceptor. For me it has been a great first bike. VERY comfortable for taller riders.

I looked at many of "the usual suspects" for my first bike, but most bikes were too narrow to be comfortable for me. I went to all of the bike ships near me and sat on EVERYTHING. The most important thing is to find a bike that is comfortable for you to sit on. If you are not comfortable on it, nothing else matters. Once you have several options, that you are comfortable on, then start making the decisions about handling, power, etc.

Cheers

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by liyer01

i find them amusing i dont mind watching the odd drunks

Not me. I find it depressing watching people pissing away the only life they have.

[Destructo]

How about a Honda CBF600? I spoke to a lad who had one of these as his first bike and he really liked it. Or a Suzuki Bandit? They are really popular over here and have been around for years, you can find decent 2nd hand ones for £800.

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by Destructo

How about a Honda CBF600? I spoke to a lad who had one of these as his first bike and he really liked it. Or a Suzuki Bandit? They are really popular over here and have been around for years, you can find decent 2nd hand ones for £800.

I doubt either of these are included under the LAMS list unless they offer 40hp versions?

[Destructo]

This list?

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...b3Sept2009.pdf

I had a quick look at the learner regs for oz - does this mean a learner can ride any of the bikes listed on here? (I didn't see anythign mentioned about a 40bhp version - it just said the bikes can't be modified).

Over here a learner can only ride a 125 up to 15bhp unsupervised - there is some power/weight restriction too I think.

[Destructo]

I see the Kawasaki Ninja 650 is on there (I assume that's what we call the ER-6 over here) - that bike tends to get a decent write-up.

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by Destructo

This list?

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...b3Sept2009.pdf

I had a quick look at the learner regs for oz - does this mean a learner can ride any of the bikes listed on here? (I didn't see anythign mentioned about a 40bhp version - it just said the bikes can't be modified).

Over here a learner can only ride a 125 up to 15bhp unsupervised - there is some power/weight restriction too I think.

We discussed it a couple pf momths ago - worth getting a restricted 650cc?
They're restricted to 200hp/1000kg which I assume is calculated from manufacturer's claimed crank hp and dry weight. The 40hp I mentioned is due to the LAMS-approved Hyosung models being restricted to 40hp.
LAMS is not Australia wide yet. I think it's just NSW, Victoria, Queensland and South Australia? It is being introduced here in WA but I don't believe we have it yet.

[dicknose]

The GPX250 is an old model now, but still very good and should be plenty available.
Im short so I cant comment on how comfy it is for a tall rider, but it handled my weight ok.

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by Destructo

This list?

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...b3Sept2009.pdf

Interesting note on that list is "Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases its power-to-weight ratio is not LAMS approved regardless of whether it appears on the list."
So you aren't allowed to replace the muffler or remove the mainstand to reduce weight.

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by dicknose

The GPX250 is an old model now, but still very good and should be plenty available.
Im short so I cant comment on how comfy it is for a tall rider, but it handled my weight ok.

I have an original '88 GPX250R, it still has 1988 coded tyres on it :-)
The early ones have fairly saggy suspension and damper-rod forks but I don't know if they ever upgraded to cartridge forks later on.

Checked the fiche and it looks like even the '09 still has damper rods which is a very poor effort.

[Destructo]

Originally Posted by bladeracer

We discussed it a couple pf momths ago - worth getting a restricted 650cc?
They're restricted to 200hp/1000kg which I assume is calculated from manufacturer's claimed crank hp and dry weight. The 40hp I mentioned is due to the LAMS-approved Hyosung models being restricted to 40hp.
LAMS is not Australia wide yet. I think it's just NSW, Victoria, Queensland and South Australia? It is being introduced here in WA but I don't believe we have it yet.

Had a look at that thread... it seems a little confusing as to what you can / can't have but I guess if you stick to the list you're OK. In any case it seems a much better scheme than we have over here for new riders, 40bhp would feel more powerful than 'god' to a new rider!

Originally Posted by bladeracer

Interesting note on that list is "Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases its power-to-weight ratio is not LAMS approved regardless of whether it appears on the list."
So you aren't allowed to replace the muffler or remove the mainstand to reduce weight.

So it would appear - makes sense to me, if there are power/weight limits then any tweaks could take the bike outside of scope. And some people might not stop at a new can and no stand.....