feelings toward watching beheading clips and ogrish.com

stegen · 09-21-2004, 5:21 PM

Ok, I have sort of brought this up before but do any of you watch the videos of the executions of americans in Iraq? For some damn reason I do and I get so upset each time. They have them at Ogrish.com and everytime there is a new one released, their servers bog real bad so i know i am not the only one.

Do you think it is wrong for sites like Ogrish and Rotten to exist? do you think it is discrasful (sp) toward the victims and the families? Is it part of human nature to want to view things like that?

I would just like opinions on the viewing of the videos, right or wrong to watch them, ideas on the sites etc.

ND4SPD · 09-21-2004, 5:24 PM

If that happened to your brother or dad or best friend, would you want the video to be up?

DEPO · 09-21-2004, 5:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

If that happened to your brother or dad or best friend, would you want the video to be up?

And while we live in a society that is crazy about violence, it is one of these 1st amendment things that drives people nuts.

figment · 09-21-2004, 5:30 PM

I never watch or that stuff. I never look at traffic accidents as I travel either. I've often marveled at the apparent thirst for blood a lot of people have

abtech · 09-21-2004, 5:35 PM

It's target fixation.

stegen · 09-21-2004, 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

If that happened to your brother or dad or best friend, would you want the video to be up?

I totaly agree.

bubba · 09-21-2004, 8:02 PM

it is just more proof there is not a god

bwhip · 09-21-2004, 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

If that happened to your brother or dad or best friend, would you want the video to be up?

Well said, thank you.

deez · 09-21-2004, 8:36 PM

yeah it's not something I feel the need to 'add' to my day. I've got enough problems without seeing one of my fellow Americans die on video. It's horrible.

09-21-2004, 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba

it is just more proof there is not a god

Take that to the Religious forum.

ER · 09-21-2004, 9:12 PM

I really can't answer why, except to say that perhaps as you mature you grow less interested and more affected by stuff like that.

Maybe most who do watch those videos have never seen something grotesque up close and personal. I don't click on the links, personally. I stumbled into a video like that without warning on labusas.org a couple of years ago and didn't appreciate it.

Like ND4SPD wrote, I wouldn't want to see someone I loved on a site like that. Imagine how the family members feel.

09-21-2004, 9:21 PM

I was stupid enough to watch the first one, and wish that I had not.

luvtolean · 09-21-2004, 9:48 PM

I think it's important for them to be out there. It does not allow us to forget that this stuff does happen. I can almost guarantee you that if video of what was going on in concentration camps in Nazi Germany had been available, it would've seriously altered world events. It forces governments to know if they do horrible things, people will know. I think vids like this are the BEST justification for the first Amendment, not an unfortunate consequence of it.

thrl-skr · 09-21-2004, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba

it is just more proof there is not a god

i disagree with that statement, there is a god and he has helped me through a countless number of promblems/concerns. GOD has been nothing but MERCIFUL with me.

G-Force Junkie · 09-21-2004, 10:23 PM

Just because you don't have the will power to not watch horrable things, the fact that they are out there does not make it bad. I want it out there, why, because I beleve in freedom of choice, I don't want others choosing what I can and cant see. Hate it, disagree with it, shout to heavens how terrable it is, fine. But dont force your views and beliefs on me. I watched the first beheading video, and it repulsed me. I have no desire to watch the latest one. But like LTL said, good can come of terrable things. Terrable things like this should not be forgotten or they will be repeated in the future.

09-21-2004, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Force Junkie

Just because you don't have the will power to not watch horrable things, the fact that they are out there does not make it bad. I want it out there, why, because I beleve in freedom of choice, I don't want others choosing what I can and cant see. Hate it, disagree with it, shout to heavens how terrable it is, fine. But dont force your views and beliefs on me. I watched the first beheading video, and it repulsed me. I have no desire to watch the latest one. But like LTL said, good can come of terrable things. Terrable things like this should not be forgotten or they will be repeated in the future.

IMHO there will be a lot more of that kind of thing because they know it tears us up.....The fact that they know it'll get to our public is the reason they do it.

ConqSoft · 09-21-2004, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thrl-skr

i disagree with that statement, there is a god and he has helped me through a countless number of promblems/concerns. GOD has been nothing but MERCIFUL with me.

Again, take it to the religion forum.

luvtolean · 09-21-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SPEED

IMHO there will be a lot more of that kind of thing because they know it tears us up.....The fact that they know it'll get to our public is the reason they do it.

Whether it's in video format or gossip from a writer, it's still going to happen for the same reason.

Johnny Diablo · 09-22-2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

I think it's important for them to be out there. It does not allow us to forget that this stuff does happen. I can almost guarantee you that if video of what was going on in concentration camps in Nazi Germany had been available, it would've seriously altered world events. It forces governments to know if they do horrible things, people will know. I think vids like this are the BEST justification for the first Amendment, not an unfortunate consequence of it.

Having the video out there is very important. This lets us know what kind of people we are dealing with. If that was myself or my family being beheaded, I would want this public. Lets throw this in reverse.... If it was you kid being beheaded would you want this kept quiet? What do you tell the people that dont beleive you?

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Originally Posted by G-Force Junkie

Just because you don't have the will power to not watch horrable things, the fact that they are out there does not make it bad. I want it out there, why, because I beleve in freedom of choice, I don't want others choosing what I can and cant see. Hate it, disagree with it, shout to heavens how terrable it is, fine. But dont force your views and beliefs on me. I watched the first beheading video, and it repulsed me. I have no desire to watch the latest one. But like LTL said, good can come of terrable things. Terrable things like this should not be forgotten or they will be repeated in the future.

Well said G-Force. I wanted to post something like this but could not find the words.

09-22-2004, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

Having the video out there is very important. This lets us know what kind of people we are dealing with. If that was myself or my family being beheaded, I would want this public. Lets throw this in reverse.... If it was you kid being beheaded would you want this kept quiet? What do you tell the people that dont beleive you?

I sure wouldn't want the video to be shown to the general public.

thebackdraft · 09-22-2004, 12:24 AM

I think it should be a personal choice for each individual. Watch it if you want to or don't watch it. I think it could wake a lot of people up as to what type of people are out there and what they think of not just Americans but to other people as human beings and life itself in general.

Baketech · 09-22-2004, 12:35 AM

There were a lot more beheadings and tortures going on in Iraq/Afghanistan a few months ago, but no one cared....why do we care now....

GhostRider · 09-22-2004, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Baketech

There were a lot more beheadings and tortures going on in Iraq/Afghanistan a few months ago, but no one cared....why do we care now....

Bacchus · 09-22-2004, 12:47 AM

Ummmm, election year?!

And drawing down close to the date?

Crash · 09-22-2004, 2:15 AM

I debated about watching the cowardly act commited against Mr. Byrd. I finally did and wished I hadn't. One thing that sticks out in my mind is how these acts go damn near unmentioned in our media. Meanwhile the press focuesed on the prision abuse issues. Worse things happen during rush at your local college, difference is there is beer present at college.

These acts can't discourage us like they did to the Spanish and Phillippines(sp). By pulling out at not staying the course, it sent a message that these terriost phucks can roll through their countries at will knowing that the governments will bend to avoid conflict. At some point someone has to stand up and be resolute.

The Russians learned that terrorism isn't restricted to America vs. Certain Islamic Extremists... It's a global problem. The more people that wake up and acknowledge that the less of these video's we'll see.

Zeeman · 09-22-2004, 7:09 AM

I, regretfully, saw the most recent beheading. It was th emost terrible thing I have seen and it will stick in my mind forever. I wish only the best for his family and friends, and hope that the cowardly scum who did it will face a fate similar to the one they dealt out to an innocent.

Were it one of my family, I would wish it to be out, so the world knows the pain, and is inspired to do something. I would probably also watch it myself - mainly because I would rather it have been me than a family member or friend, and the closest I will get to trying to ease their suffering is to experience it myself, even if only with visual and audio references.

the thing that really struck me was the incredibly cruel and slow way it was performed, and as I said, I sncerely hope the cowards will face a similar fate.

Z...

luvtolean · 09-22-2004, 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeeman

the thing that really struck me was the incredibly cruel and slow way it was performed, and as I said, I sncerely hope the cowards will face a similar fate.

Z...

Yeah, that is the worst part of it.

ELECTION YEAR?!?!??!!! Dude, are you kidding me? You think Bush is suddenly making sure an Arab website has this? Please...the only thing that the election might do to this is make them put this out so Americans vote for a traitor (his own description of himself) like Kerry.

ratter · 09-22-2004, 8:23 AM

I don't watch cause I don't want to keep thinking about it

bubba · 09-22-2004, 8:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash

I debated about watching the cowardly act commited against Mr. Byrd. I finally did and wished I hadn't. One thing that sticks out in my mind is how these acts go damn near unmentioned in our media. Meanwhile the press focuesed on the prision abuse issues. Worse things happen during rush at your local college, difference is there is beer present at college.

here is more ammo for you. one of the guys was local here to GA and the media swarmed his family and made them plead on tv for his life. all they could do is count down his deadline. well in the meanwhile there were 2 other hostages with him and nary a word was spoken of them. how could the ress forget about the other families. maybe it was time to enrage the locals and have them vote another way. i swear the media is liberal - just listen to them refer to the President as Mr Bush - WTF?? He is the President. And when CLINTon had his heart issue they referred to him as president CLINTon. we are all just pawns in the liberal front

SuperDave · 09-22-2004, 9:11 AM

LTL, I think that's what Bacchus was saying, using these awful images to get Americans to question 'why are we even there?' in hopes of swaying voters not to re-elect Bush. I don't think he was saying it was setup by Bush. At least I hope not.

I didn't witness the first one for a long time. I gave in and regretted it ever since. I simply do not want those graphic images anywhere in my memory. Some people get off on those gruesome execution and death videos which I'll never understand. Anyway, I reminded a co-worker that this "act" is NOT unusual to their culture. I believe it is a punishment standard in their world, correct me if I'm wrong. So, if these hostages had been videoed (is that a word?) while on a table taking a syringe of chemicals that stopped their heart, would we be AS outraged? Probably not.

The majority of Americans cannot even stomach the witnessing of a cow being slaughtered. Yet we know it happens by the hundreds everyday in slaughter houses, and we have no problem scarfing down the meat.

My point is, they know of our culture and our squeamish attitude towards their "death penalty". It pisses me off to no end what these 'useless pieces of shits' are doing, but I don't believe it shocks the majority of people living in that part of the world, as it does here.

And finally, the most frustrating fact is that there is no answer. Americans will not ever give in to terrorist threats, nor can we find all these little cockroaches hiding within the city underground, and if we do more will spawn off. So, can they succeed in swaying public opinion by these acts? You tell me.