When is Racial an Appropriate Defense?

southpark460 · 04-03-2006, 7:38 PM

You don't wear your identifying lapel pin. You don't stop when the officer asks you three times to stop. You assault the officer when he places a hand on you to "help" you stop after repeatedly ignore his requests. You hold a press conference with Danny Glover and Harry Connick Jr. stating that it was racial profiling... After all of the incidents that have happened over the last five years, you would think that people would take security seriously, especially at the US Capitol. But to call out your own arrogance as racism is wrong on so many levels. Black leaders fight very hard to bring recognition to legitimate examples of racism. And in a matter of days, she set them back quite a bit. All because she didn't think she had to follow the rules and that security should know who she was. Guess it's typical of todays' politics.

Story

Aychdot · 04-03-2006, 8:21 PM

There are some people that think that they have more power than they do(McKinney). Legislator or not, if she didn't have her credentials displayed, she should have stopped. Capitol police are there to protect her. There may also have been some underlying situation with her and that particular officer.

southpark460 · 04-03-2006, 9:07 PM

I guess the thing that bothers me most is that she's focusing on the wrong thing. She is focusing on what happened when they tried to stop her. Had she followed the rules, the second issue wouldn't have existed! People need to learn to accept the consequences of their actions. Maybe those consequences were unjustified or excessive. I don't know. I really don't care. The fact of the matter is that she screwed up and she has yet to apologize to anyone publicly (or privately, probably). If someone walks past security and ignore repeated warnings, I say break out the tazer, lay their ass out, and then pepper spray them for good measure!

This has to be my favorite part of the story:

Quote:

Originally Posted by From Story...

The Rev. Darrell D. Elligan, president of Concerned Black Clergy, called McKinney competent, courageous and committed.
"She has our support unconditionally," Elligan said. "She is not a threat to the security of our country."

Didn't realize The Rev. DD Elligan of the CBC was qualified to judge who is a threat and who is not! And I guess I'll agree with the courageous and committed statements as she decided to go up against Capitol Security, but I'm not so sure about the competent part.... And I never did understand why they would make a blanket statement such as "unconditional support" considering she DID SOMETHING WRONG!!! But that takes us back to point one...

sheepofblue · 04-03-2006, 9:11 PM

Look into her career she is a flaming moron. I dislike Bud Cramer (AL rep) but he is not a moron. A bit of a tool but not stupid.

Mojave954 · 04-03-2006, 9:52 PM

Just playing the race/female card because she doesn't want to be accountable/responsible for following the rules she may have been a part of to set in place.

Above the Law.

BDA116 · 04-03-2006, 10:22 PM

The Capitol Police are issuing her an arrest warrant.

Slugging an officer is a felony. Press charges and convict her.

Mojave954 · 04-03-2006, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDA116

The Capitol Police are issuing her an arrest warrant.

Slugging an officer is a felony. Press charges and convict her.

Don't tell anyone this but....

thompsonian · 04-03-2006, 11:14 PM

Y'know, I'm not a racist myself. I hate EVERYONE EQUALLY

However, it always seems that....no. I'm just not gonna say anything else. My views are my views and not those of anyone/anypart of Fireblades.org and I don't really feel like being banned or anything. So I'll just leave it at I can't tolerate the ignorance/smugness/stupidity of people in general.

Aychdot · 04-04-2006, 9:44 AM

Ok let me say this first, for all of you that don't know, I am a black man. If you don't follow the rules you should be punished. I don't like the fact that she is pulling out the race card because the simple fact is SHE ****ED UP! I also wish that the black coalition or whatever group would stop running to everyones defense when it's not necessary.

On a side note there was a radio host(I forgot his namebut he was a white man) in St. Louis who called Secretary Rice a "COON" on the radio last week. He was talking about her being the NFL Commisioner and wanted to say that it would be a "total coup". It was a total slip of the tongue, he was trying to say "COUP". He immediatly appoligized on the air and said that it was a slip, and was fired within the hour. The NAACP came to HIS aid and said everyone thought it ws a slip of the tongue, Sec. Rice had accepted his appology, and everything was fine by them. Then they asked the radio station to give him his job back!

southpark460 · 04-04-2006, 9:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aychdot

On a side note there was a radio host(I forgot his namebut he was a white man) in St. Louis who called Secretary Rice a "COON" on the radio last week. He was talking about her being the NFL Commisioner and wanted to say that it would be a "total coup". It was a total slip of the tongue, he was trying to say "COUP". He immediatly appoligized on the air and said that it was a slip, and was fired within the hour. The NAACP came to HIS aid and said everyone thought it ws a slip of the tongue, Sec. Rice had accepted his appology, and everything was fine by them. Then they asked the radio station to give him his job back!

I heard that... He was VERY apologetic and you could tell it was a total slip of the tongue. Hell, he was praising her to no end when it happened! Glad to see that people realize it was just a slip-up. Hate to see someone lose their job because of something like that...

BDA116 · 04-04-2006, 11:35 AM

Look at this, the cop slugging thug has now been caught with her hand in the taxpayer cookie jar. She used taxpayer money to fly another whackjob, Isaac Hayes, in to help dedicate her new office. That is against Congressional rules.
She will find a way to blame that on racism as well. The revisionist socialists always find a way to explain their illegal activities away.
The leftist media will continue to sweep this under the rug while trying to make a big deal out of non-issues that involve Republicans.

smoothrideronli · 04-04-2006, 12:32 PM

When race is used as a crutch when someone breaks the rules it diminishes the race as a whole and makes actual claims seem illegitemate. As a black man myself I am tired of hearing people cry race when they are in the obvious wrong. I do have to ask a few questions though...although what she did was obviously wrong...is there a climate in the Capital where recognized officials dont have to show their credentials (not likely) and she felt that she should be shown the same courtesy. I only ask to create discussion not to justify her actions.

sheepofblue · 04-04-2006, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aychdot

Ok let me say this first, for all of you that don't know, I am a black man. If you don't follow the rules you should be punished. I don't like the fact that she is pulling out the race card because the simple fact is SHE ****ED UP! I also wish that the black coalition or whatever group would stop running to everyones defense when it's not necessary.

On a side note there was a radio host(I forgot his namebut he was a white man) in St. Louis who called Secretary Rice a "COON" on the radio last week. He was talking about her being the NFL Commisioner and wanted to say that it would be a "total coup". It was a total slip of the tongue, he was trying to say "COUP". He immediatly appoligized on the air and said that it was a slip, and was fired within the hour. The NAACP came to HIS aid and said everyone thought it ws a slip of the tongue, Sec. Rice had accepted his appology, and everything was fine by them. Then they asked the radio station to give him his job back!

That is the difference between Ms Rice and Ms McKinney. Ms Rice had someone make and honest mistake and was gracious enough to accept an apology for such. Ms McKinney breaks the rules (not the first time) and when the officer reacts appropriately slanders the officer.

Ignoring politics, one lady is a class act the other is not. Which would be welcome at your house?

QuikMike · 04-04-2006, 1:00 PM

again, let me say that I am a black man as well and I 100% completely agree with Aychdot...she ****ed up by not following the rules and then play the race card??!!!!? what BS!!! She should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....attacking a police officer?? wow!

What we should be outraged about it Rush's comments about the girl who was "allegedly" raped by the lacross team at Duke.....He called her a "ho"!! regardless if she is a stripper, prostitute or what, she was raped and does not deserve to be slandered any further...that reason alone is why I hate Rush Limbaugh....what a piece of crap!

Bock919 · 04-04-2006, 1:20 PM

That is pretty phenomenally stupid of her. Racism!??! Hardly. Now, I live in the middle of Illinois, I've seen racial profiling. Every single time (without fail) an African-American male is pulled over by a policeman in my town, at least one more police car shows up "just in case." I have never seen two police cars when the driver was white unless something pretty major was going down.

This woman, on the other hand, is just full of crap. She broke the rules, she needs to accept the consequences.

southpark460 · 04-04-2006, 1:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoothrideronli

I do have to ask a few questions though...although what she did was obviously wrong...is there a climate in the Capital where recognized officials dont have to show their credentials (not likely) and she felt that she should be shown the same courtesy. I only ask to create discussion not to justify her actions.

I agree... This is a question that points back to the first of two issues. Was this a new guard, or one on loan from a different post and not know her? Was it commonplace for her (and/or others) to pass thru in the way that she did? Was she on the phone and not hear the repeated orders to stop? I won't judge why she didn't stop as none of us here have all of the facts of the situation. My criticism comes into play with the way that she handled it. Whether or not she intended to, she broke the rules and this officer was trying to enforce them. Her reaction at that time, and consequently have shown great disregard for not only other blacks, but the people of her home state and everyone else in this country! Lead by example... If she would have stepped up and said "I realize that my actions that day were inappropriate" I think she'd be done with it and I'd have some respect for her. Blaming everyone else, turning it into a race issue, stating that there was "inappropriate touching", those are my criticisms of the situation...

southpark460 · 04-04-2006, 1:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikMike

What we should be outraged about it Rush's comments about the girl who was "allegedly" raped by the lacross team at Duke.....He called her a "ho"!! regardless if she is a stripper, prostitute or what, she was raped and does not deserve to be slandered any further...that reason alone is why I hate Rush Limbaugh....what a piece of crap!

I hadn't heard that... That is a very pointed statement. I have dated strippers and I know many more. Many of them do have "loose" morals when it comes to certain activities. But at the same time, there are some that would absolutely amaze you with what they do outside of the club. This girl was trying to make some money outside of the club and it bit her. This is one of the biggest reasons clubs do not tolerate "moonlighting". It is infinitely more difficult to control the situation outside of the club. She probably shouldn't have been working a private gig like that without some enforcer, and that is her fault. But she definitely does not deserve what she says happened to her, and she sure as hell doesn't deserve to be ridiculed my a public media figure. It's times like these that I just remember Karma. What goes around, comes around...

smoothrideronli · 04-04-2006, 1:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southpark460

I agree... This is a question that points back to the first of two issues. Was this a new guard, or one on loan from a different post and not know her? Was it commonplace for her (and/or others) to pass thru in the way that she did? Was she on the phone and not hear the repeated orders to stop? I won't judge why she didn't stop as none of us here have all of the facts of the situation. My criticism comes into play with the way that she handled it. Whether or not she intended to, she broke the rules and this officer was trying to enforce them. Her reaction at that time, and consequently have shown great disregard for not only other blacks, but the people of her home state and everyone else in this country! Lead by example... If she would have stepped up and said "I realize that my actions that day were inappropriate" I think she'd be done with it and I'd have some respect for her. Blaming everyone else, turning it into a race issue, stating that there was "inappropriate touching", those are my criticisms of the situation...

nedro · 04-04-2006, 2:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDA116

Look at this, the cop slugging thug has now been caught with her hand in the taxpayer cookie jar. She used taxpayer money to fly another whackjob, Isaac Hayes, in to help dedicate her new office. That is against Congressional rules.
She will find a way to blame that on racism as well. The revisionist socialists always find a way to explain their illegal activities away.
The leftist media will continue to sweep this under the rug while trying to make a big deal out of non-issues that involve Republicans.

C'mon BDA, You don't have to do this at every chance you get. Sometimes things work themselves out better without your constant drival. Infact, it really looked like EVERYONE is on the same page on this one. Please don't poop on our page.

BDA116 · 04-04-2006, 2:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nedro

C'mon BDA, You don't have to do this at every chance you get. Sometimes things work themselves out better without your constant drival. Infact, it really looked like EVERYONE is on the same page on this one. Please don't poop on our page.

Yes master. Anyting you wish. We should all cowtow to your desires at all times.

Everything works out for the better without your drivel. Don't poop on my page.

Red Rider · 04-04-2006, 2:49 PM

White or black, they should've Tasered the bitch...

QuikMike · 04-04-2006, 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southpark460

I hadn't heard that... That is a very pointed statement. I have dated strippers and I know many more. Many of them do have "loose" morals when it comes to certain activities. But at the same time, there are some that would absolutely amaze you with what they do outside of the club. This girl was trying to make some money outside of the club and it bit her. This is one of the biggest reasons clubs do not tolerate "moonlighting". It is infinitely more difficult to control the situation outside of the club. She probably shouldn't have been working a private gig like that without some enforcer, and that is her fault. But she definitely does not deserve what she says happened to her, and she sure as hell doesn't deserve to be ridiculed my a public media figure. It's times like these that I just remember Karma. What goes around, comes around...

oh, agreed 100%....I found it absurd that her and the other girl were at this party "alone" without enforcement, etc....and if she worked for an escort service, why not send "protection" with them....the whole incident is ludicrous...and trust me, I live 30 mins away from Durham and have been there several times, we could have another Rodney King-like incident on hand if some sort of justice isn't handed down....

45 of the 46 team members gave DNA samples(the 46th was a black guy and the girl said it was a white dude that assaulted her, hence no reason for #46 to give DNA samples)...the lawyers have the freaking nerve to say that the evidence will completely exonerate the accused....how so? the rape forensics nurse at the hospital said the the girl had injuries consistent with rape and the cops found broken fingernails at the scene....I am watching this case closely b/c there are a number of issues involved....