Where's the anti-Bush contingent on the Haiti issue?

Baketech · 03-05-2004, 7:18 AM

I can't believe there hasn't been a Bush Bashing thread concerning Haiti yet....???

Or are you still trying to formulate the vast right wing conspiracy connection that we have 1,000+ Marines there for Oil/Halliburton/Cheney/Etc.....?

C'mon Libs.....set your Starbucks down and spit some venom....

spillover · 03-05-2004, 10:13 AM

Monroe Doctrine + Manifest Destiny = God given right to regulate on the West Side, homey. Yo!

MACI4LIFE · 03-05-2004, 11:33 AM

I think it's cause we all know that his time is up!!!!

It's like complaining about gas prices. YOu can complain all you want but that won't change **** and you get tired of it!!

SuperDave · 03-05-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MACI4LIFE

It's like complaining about gas prices. YOu can complain all you want but that won't change **** and you get tired of it!!

luvtolean · 03-05-2004, 11:44 AM

Dudes, despite your hopes, Bush is far from done.

Kerry is a chump. All he has to stand on is his war record, and he's tarnished that plenty. How was he at the rally in DC throwing his medals back to the White House and now he's on TV showing them off?

Show me an effective coalition builder in Kerry? How about a legislative success of note? Bush has all this and more.

BDA116 · 03-05-2004, 11:58 AM

As far as Kerry standing on his 'war record' - he's really just hoping to stand on saying he has one. The pansy spent four months in Vietnam on a couple different ships. After getting three 'injuries' he wrote multiple letters to request going home on the 'three injury' rule. Two of said injuries were minor flesh wounds he got while on the ship. They had nothing to do with battle, and weren't even bad enough to be dressed with anything but bandages. No stitches, no morphine, no hospital ship visit. Just go to the first aid kit and he was done. They type of flesh wound nearly every ground troop got on a daily basis but had no need to report.

Keep pushing your 'war record' Hanoi Johnny, go ahead and open the door.

Yeah, Bush is gonna lose to this left-wing special interest loving extremist. In Massachussettes, that is.

*Mo Noyz* · 03-05-2004, 12:34 PM

Plus, there's just SO much oil in Haiti. How could President Bush resist?

You know them damn Republicans are nothing but a bunch of greedy, oil chasing, corporate interest scumbags. The dems are the only ones looking out for the people.

Oh, and unicorns make great race horses.

luvtolean · 03-05-2004, 1:00 PM

Heh.

I will give Kerry credit for his service. He won 2 medals while he was there. That's more than I've done.

What pisses me off, is that he threw medals back in DC and now he shows them on TV. And the fact he is marginalizing National Guardsmen by attacking Bush.

Other than that, as marginal as Bush is, he has a much better record of "making things happen" than Kerry.

nomad · 03-05-2004, 1:54 PM

1. Haiti asked the world community for help.
2. Bush didn't claim they were searching for WMD in Haiti.
3. Bush didn't claim the Haitians were linked with Osama Bin Laden.

To me, aiding a country that asks for help is acceptable.

I wish we, Canada, could send more troops to help.

nomad · 03-05-2004, 2:02 PM

p.s.

Maci, do you really think Bush's time is up? Personally, I hope his time is up - regardless of the party he belongs to, I think he's not a good thing for the US, Canada or the world. But do you really think Kerry can take him out?

Secondly... what does Haiti have to do with Iraq?? I think Baketech's inner child is just getting all wound up because someone mentioned "war".

h8mondays · 03-05-2004, 3:08 PM

nomad,

You kill me

your a Canadian for God's sake and you have the fervor of a voting citizen of the US. I won't knock you for your views although I strongly disagree when it comes to American politics and feel everyone is entitled to an opinion.

VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY LIFE TIME MEMBER-------> h8

Just for the matter of record:

1. Bush asked for the help of the UN for 6 months prior to any US intervention in Iraq. Disregard the umpteen number of failed resolutions the UN passed regarding Iraq since 1991.

2. Anybody who does not believe that Iraq had both the means and weapons (chemical & biological) is naive. They may have been sold off, burried or whatever, but the UN's own documentation listed TONS of unaccounted for munitions.

3. Iraq along with Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Sudan, Jordan and most other countries in the middle east has, had or will have links with Al Queda (Osama Bin Laden). This is an indisputable fact.

*Mo Noyz* · 03-05-2004, 3:18 PM

Some of the most violent tempered discussions I have had online with the anti-Bush faction has often been with folks from France, England, Australia, and Canada.

Bizarre.

*Mo Noyz* · 03-05-2004, 3:27 PM

Ah, I just saw your edit h8.

Actually, the original U.N. resolution drafted in 1991, U.N. resolution 686, clearly stated that Hussein was to fully disarm himself of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. And prove that he had done so. 12 years and 17 MORE resolutions later, he had failed to do so.

Resolution 686 was NOT a peace treaty, it was a cease fire, with conditions. Conditions that Hussein did not fully meet.

President Bush decided that 12 years and 17 resolutions was enough time for Hussein to comply. Of course, the bleeding heart liberlas disagreed. Funny too, seeing that they started demanding to see WMD the day after we entered the country.

Hey, why not just give him more time?

BDA116 · 03-05-2004, 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nomad

1. Haiti asked the world community for help.
To me, aiding a country that asks for help is acceptable.

I'm confused. Does this mean you support the action in Iraq and Haiti?
Or does it mean that when a dictator asks for help we should help them?
Yes, the dictator of Haiti (sure there was a "vote", but that has been shown to be a complete sham) asked for help to protect him and his supporters from the people of Haiti.
However, the overwhelming majority of Haitians asked for help deposing said dictator.
Who do you support aiding in their request for help?

The people of Iraq begged for years for help overthrowing Hussein. Are they exempt from your sentence "To me, aiding a country that asks for help is acceptable."?
When Hussein asked for help - and France, Russia and Germany obliged - was he the one that we should have aided?

The Iraqi people begged for help in overthrowing Hussein. We did, you bitched about it.
The people of Haiti wanted to overthrow Aristide. We made sure that happened. Are you bitching about that, too?
Should we have supported Hussein and Aristide when they asked for help?

Help me understand here. Do you support sending help to the people or the dictator?
Or does that answer depend on whom is in power and sending the aid?

*Mo Noyz* · 03-05-2004, 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Help me understand here. Do you support sending help to the people or the dictator?
Or does that answer depend on whom is in power and sending the aid?

Bingo!!

Or to be even more precise, it depends on what President Bush thinks. If he's for it, the "defeat Bush at any cost" crowd is staunchly against it, and vice versa. Details are simply not important.

How long were we in Iraq before the liberlas started demanding that we should go to Liberia? So much for their "we're spreading our troops to thin" argument.

rocket · 03-05-2004, 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nomad

p.s.

Maci, do you really think Bush's time is up? Personally, I hope his time is up - regardless of the party he belongs to, I think he's not a good thing for the US, Canada or the world. But do you really think Kerry can take him out?

Secondly... what does Haiti have to do with Iraq?? I think Baketech's inner child is just getting all wound up because someone mentioned "war".

Who would be good for Canada??? Let me know before November so I can make sure I vote for someone that will be a good thing for Canada. As I'm sure this is a top priority for most Americans.

nomad · 03-05-2004, 4:17 PM

h8mondays, I've never been accused of not having an opinion.

I don't mind when people have different perspectives than I do, if we all looked at the world in the same way, it'd be pretty boring. We could discuss Iraq again but this is a Haitian thread... if you wanna go over those points, lets start up a new one.

MoNoyz and h8... As for why I, other Canadians, Brits and the French are concerned with US politics is that the decisions of your president affect us all directly. The world is an intertwined place and what goes on in the US tends to affect many other parts of the world - we are stake holders even if we don't vote. As for the Australians...

nomad · 03-05-2004, 4:25 PM

BDA, your word twists are amusing but not worth responding to. You either truthfully did not comprehend my post or are just playing games... haha, not worth my time. Go find Bacchus to chat with or something.

MoNoyz, the point was that the government of Haiti sent out a call for help to save their people from being over run in riots etc. (not to mention their own asses). I think that peace keeping forces should be brought in to help stabilize the environment. Keep in mind that Haiti is in a state of lawlessness right now.

Rocket, I didn't ask you or anyone to vote for a government that supports Canada. It is beneficial to Maci and myself if someone that is good for Canada is in power - or can't you see that? I'm not seeing where you are coming from here.

MACI4LIFE · 03-05-2004, 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nomad

BDA, your word twists are amusing but not worth responding to. You either truthfully did not comprehend my post or are just playing games... haha, not worth my time. Go find Bacchus to chat with or something.

MoNoyz, the point was that the government of Haiti sent out a call for help to save their people from being over run in riots etc. (not to mention their own asses). I think that peace keeping forces should be brought in to help stabilize the environment. Keep in mind that Haiti is in a state of lawlessness right now.

Rocket, I didn't ask you or anyone to vote for a government that supports Canada. It is beneficial to Maci and myself if someone that is good for Canada is in power - or can't you see that? I'm not seeing where you are coming from here.

Unfortunately, for better or worse US policies affect the whole world. If this wasn't the case then i couldn't give a rats ass just like Americans to Canadian politics.

"The people of Iraq begged for years for help overthrowing Hussein. Are they exempt from your sentence "To me, aiding a country that asks for help is acceptable."?"

According to some of your own medias poll's this statement seems to be true in America also. Just replace Hussein for BUSH.

BDA116 · 03-05-2004, 4:41 PM

Word twists?

That is an absolutely by-the-book neolib statement when a perfectly straightforward question is posed that they either don't know the answer to or know they've been exposed. You should join the klintons.
I asked a strightforward question - with no twisting of words.
You stated "To me, aiding a country that asks for help is acceptable."
I asked you to qualify your statement. You can't, so you go into the whole 'vast right wing conspiracy' bullsqueeze.
The people of Iraq asked for our help. We gave it to them.
The people of Haiti asked for our help. We gave it to them.
You complain about both, saying we should be propping up their illigitimate and dactative governements.
I asked why your statement doesn't apply when we helped the people of both nations - when they asked for it.
You can't answer it.
Aristide couldn't care less about the overwhelming majority of Haitian. And we should be helping him? What a pathetic joke.
You can't answer the questions honestly without pulling a Kerry and contradicting your own views. Therefore you accuse others of twisting your words, when all that is done is asking you what you mean by them.
You truly are a neolib and should join the klinton party.

As for what you want in a United States President: It does not matter one iota to the process.
Go ahead and believe that you are a stakeholder and that your voice matters to the American President and election process. We'll keep laughing at you.
Our President doesn't have to take into consideration what any Canadian, or any non-United States citizen thinks. It matters not to his job of defending and upholding the Constitution of the United States. Sure, you pukes want someone that bows to the UN and want to turn our sovereignity over to someone else. We don't, and that's why Hanoi Johnny won't win.

nomad · 03-05-2004, 5:05 PM

Maybe I confused you because "acceptable" was 4 syllables. What part didn't you understand?

*Mo Noyz* · 03-05-2004, 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MACI4LIFE

Unfortunately, for better or worse US policies affect the whole world. If this wasn't the case then i couldn't give a rats ass just like Americans to Canadian politics.

"The people of Iraq begged for years for help overthrowing Hussein. Are they exempt from your sentence "To me, aiding a country that asks for help is acceptable."?"

According to some of your own medias poll's this statement seems to be true in America also. Just replace Hussein for BUSH.

Oh my. So people living in squalor who have watched their friends and family members subjected to public humiliation, torture, and executions who wish to have a murderous dictator taken out of power are the same as people who live in total comfort and freedom who are simply too spoiled and want things to go MORE their way?

Until President Bush invades Mexico and Canada, uses poison gas to destroy most of the northeast of the U.S., and orders public executions of those who disagree with him, any comparison of him and Hussein is desperate and absolutely rediculous.

Nomad, can you name some examples of how the decisions of the Bush administration have affected the people of Canada directly.

nomad · 03-05-2004, 5:07 PM

The bottom line is that Haiti is in a state of lawlessness and it needs to be stabilized. Since they can't do it, they have asked the rest of the world to help police themselves while they sort out the mess.

A very different scenario than Iraq so I don't see the similarities.

nomad · 03-05-2004, 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo Noyz

Nomad, can you name some examples of how the decisions of the Bush administration have affected the people of Canada directly.

Yes.

What makes you think that your politics do not affect us?