[CBRVFR]

Kerry has a big problem. And it's on TV, so that makes it real to a lot of Americans.

True? I doubt it. Problematic? Oh, yeah.

What was it Warren Zevon sang? "Bring lawyers, guns and money / the **** has hit the fan."

A TV commercial Terry McAuliffe doesn't want you to watch.

I can hear the Bushies now - Well, 'W' didn't show up for duty, but at least he didn't claim to be a hero...

[bwhip]

First he didn't get the "bump" from the convention, now this. Kerry's got a serious problem.

[BDA116]

www.swiftvets.com
Click on the real story link, this site has been around a long time, and Kerry doesn't want anyone to know the multitude of lies he has been spewing since the 70s.

[deez]

[CBRVFR]

Originally Posted by booth23

Betcha they're not laughing in Kerry headquarters..

[Bacchus]

Betcha they're not laughing in Bush headquarters either...

[Baketech]

Been reading about this for awhile and wondering why the media has not covered it...

However the last couple of days has demonstrated all I need to know about Kerry's character and has been a preview to the accountability he would have in his administration.....

Howard Dean, a senior advisor on his campaign goes on the national news media and spouts a baseless conspiracy theory about recent terror alerts. When cornered, Kerry conveniently states that he does not agree, and yet Dean remains in his employ....

[bwhip]

I like how Kerry says he's not telling how he's going to get more support from foreign countries on the situation in Iraq until after he's elected. I guess he doesn't want to give away his great ideas to the opposition. But if he has such a great plan that would be such an improvement, shouldn't he tell what it is?

[Baketech]

Originally Posted by bwhip

I like how Kerry says he's not telling how he's going to get more support from foreign countries on the situation in Iraq until after he's elected. I guess he doesn't want to give away his great ideas to the opposition. But if he has such a great plan that would be such an improvement, shouldn't he tell what it is?

He explained it in great detail yesterday on the trail....he said he had "big cards" to play.....

Listen to his rhetoric...he would abdicate our sovereignty to the UN even when they are not acting in our best interest. He would prefer to have people like France and Germany set our course instead of making a tough decision...
Sounds like his plan to me....

Can you say Neville Chamberlain?

[CBRVFR]

Originally Posted by bwhip

I like how Kerry says he's not telling how he's going to get more support from foreign countries on the situation in Iraq until after he's elected. I guess he doesn't want to give away his great ideas to the opposition. But if he has such a great plan that would be such an improvement, shouldn't he tell what it is?

Exactly what we said when Nixon's campaign told the 'silent majority' he had a 'secret plan' to get us out of Viet Nam.

In fairness, and with 20/20 hindsight, I guess saying that we were going to bomb the **** out of NVN, Laos, Cambodia, and every other place on that Rand Mcnally Atlas page wouldn't have been productive. And we finally did leave.

[CBRVFR]

Originally Posted by Baketech

Been reading about this for awhile and wondering why the media has not covered it...

Here it comes -

Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.

"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, referring to his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush.

The 60-second ad features Vietnam veterans who accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of lying about his decorated Vietnam War record and betraying his fellow veterans by later opposing the conflict.

"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," one of the veterans, Larry Thurlow, says in the ad.

The ad, scheduled to air in a few markets in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, was produced by Stevens, Reed, Curcio and Potham, the same team that produced McCain's ads in 2000.

"I wish they hadn't done it," McCain said of his former advisers. "I don't know if they knew all the facts."

Asked if the White House knew about the ad or helped find financing for it, McCain said, "I hope not, but I don't know. But I think the Bush campaign should specifically condemn the ad."

Later, McCain said the Bush campaign has denied any involvement and added, "I can't believe the president would pull such a cheap stunt."

The White House did not immediately address McCain's call that they repudiate the spot.

Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Kerry's record and statements on the war on terrorism -- not his service in Vietnam -- are fair game. "The Bush campaign never has and will never question John Kerry's service in Vietnam," he said.

In 2000, Bush's supporters sponsored a rumor campaign against McCain in the South Carolina primary, helping Bush win the primary and the nomination. McCain's supporters have never forgiven the Bush team.

McCain said that's all in the past to him, but he's speaking out against the anti-Kerry ad because he believes it's bad for the political system. "It reopens all the old wounds of the Vietnam War, which I spent the last 35 years trying to heal," he said.

"I deplore this kind of politics. I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War."

McCain himself spent more than five years in a Vietnam prisoner of war camp. A bona fide war hero, McCain, like Kerry, used his war record as the foundation of his presidential campaign.

The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded. The leader of the group, retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, said none of the 13 veterans in the commercial served on Kerry's boat but rather were in other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry's.

Jim Rassmann, an Army veteran who was saved by Kerry, said there were only six crewmates who served with Kerry on his boat. Five support his candidacy and one is deceased.

My dream scenario is that the Bushies get caught orchestrating this, McCain withdraws from working for W's re-election, and people get so sick of Kerry and Bush that everyone writes in McCain.. That's what I'm thinking of doing.

Not too likely though...

[BDA116]

The White House has nothing to do with this. SwiftVets has been around for a long time, and has made their own money to produce the ad and promote their book. The book, by the way, happens to be #1 at Amazon, and it isn't even released yet.
SwiftVets doesn not endorse any candidate, but they bitterly oppose those like kerry that lied about their Vietnam service and disgrace our country on a daily basis.

[ER]

Originally Posted by Baketech

Been reading about this for awhile and wondering why the media has not covered it...

Don't hold your breath. Most of the major media outlets have been as blatant as ever in their lopsided coverage. Check the Sandy Berger story as one example.

There are a lot of debatable topics in today's politics but the bias of Rather, Brokaw, Jennings...ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc is NOT one of them.

[Baketech]

Okay, how about this question...

Do you think this ad would have been made if "Fahrenheit 9/11" had not opened the door to this type of electioneering effort?

[CBRVFR]

Originally Posted by Baketech

Okay, how about this question...

Do you think this ad would have been made if "Fahrenheit 9/11" had not opened the door to this type of electioneering effort?

You mean in terms of its vitriol, or because of the 3rd person surrogate aspect?

It is similar in tone to what the Bushies did to McCain and his wife in South Carolina, and that was accomplished by so-called 'church' groups.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Here it comes -

My dream scenario is that the Bushies get caught orchestrating this, McCain withdraws from working for W's re-election, and people get so sick of Kerry and Bush that everyone writes in McCain.. That's what I'm thinking of doing.

Not too likely though...

Not gonna happen, but I kinda like the thought!

[Baketech]

Originally Posted by CBRVFR

You mean in terms of its vitriol, or because of the 3rd person surrogate aspect?

It is similar in tone to what the Bushies did to McCain and his wife in South Carolina, and that was accomplished by so-called 'church' groups.

Vitriol I guess...but I wonder if it would even exist or not if F9/11 hadn't set the tone....

Mebbe I'm just naive....

[ER]

I was surprised to see O'Reilly lay into this big time on his show last night. He had some other analyst from Fox on and they were condemning it pretty hard. I liked the medical officer in the clip saying that Kerry was lying about one of his purple hearts because he was the guy who treated him for his wounds.

The thing about politics is that all of this hoopla is one big chess-match and the public is the uneducated bystander. If this turns out to hurt Kerry's campaign, they'll find a way to rebound. If it makes Bush look bad then his campaign will find a way to turn it around. They'll rebound because most people can't see past all of this mudslinging to make an educated vote. Despite whatever dirt is dug up, each candidate represents a set of moral, financial, and national issues that they will bring to the White House. They will push to raise or lower taxes, encourage or hinder abortion, strengthen or weaken the military, etc all based on those issues. Those representing their respective States in Congress are the same way.

It's amazing what criteria people will use in voting for a particular candidate. A president and congress united under one party have the power to take our country in many different directions and people vote them into their positions based on their looks, their ability to publicly speak, etc, etc. One lady here at work told me she was all set to vote for Bush in 2000 but changed her mind after she saw Gore kiss his wife on TV. Politicians wouldn't do what they do if it didn't work...

[figment]

John Kerry's Vietnam Story

[Bacchus]

Well said ER!

[bwhip]

So someone comes out with false or misleading charges against Kerry and the Repubs and the White House disavow it and discredit it. Why don't Kerry/Edwards do that when Dean bashes the White House for upgraded terror alerts that he calls politically motivated, or when Kerry's celebrity buddies use foul language to bash Bush at a fundraiser where Kerry is actually in attendance?