[Baketech]

Where do you think the first act of nuclear terrorism will occur?
If your choice is not in the poll, check "Other" and post your choice....

Also, do you think it will be a "dirty-bomb" or a full on device?

[showmethebombs]

I am thinking China...hence my vote. but the Korea's might be it too.

[figment]

dirty in the US.

[ER]

Originally Posted by figment

dirty in the US.

Yup...I think it's only a matter of time.

[BDA116]

I'm thinking dirty in either Russia or Israel first. They'll keep trying here, as they already have, but I think they'll be successful there first.

[Baketech]

I voted Russia as well. Economic conditions are favorable, and they have more loose material over there, which simplifies the task. But I agree it could happen anywhere....

[Heavy-Dee]

I'm thinking that the states are the most likely place right now. Isreal is out b/c they are fighting over land that both sides want, and both sides are just too close (geographically) to each other. They'd be nuking themselves.

I think some of the rebels in and around russia probably don't have enough money for something like that.

China...hhmmm. Good question. Not sure who would benefit from hitting Chyn-er. Korea? Maybe, but doubtful.

Don't think North Korea is dumb enough to nuke south.

That leaves the US. There are people motivated enough to do it, and they have (or can get) the capital do afford it. It will be a dirty bomb in a major city unfortunately.

Whoever the next pres is, really needs to revamp our foreign policy and put some money into "good will" in other countries. The attitude of "don't take care of your neighbors before you can take care of home" is short sighted I believe. Take care of your neighbors so they don't want to fly planes into your buildings. Perhaps I believe in Karma or whatever you want to call it, but "what goes around comes around". Good and bad.

HD

[Heavy-Dee]

Originally Posted by Baketech

I voted Russia as well. Economic conditions are favorable, and they have more loose material over there, which simplifies the task. But I agree it could happen anywhere....

That's where the material will come from, but I don't think it will be used there.

HD

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

........Isreal is out b/c they are fighting over land that both sides want, and both sides are just too close (geographically) to each other......

The fighting there has nothing to do with land. It has to do with the fact that Muslims want to exterminate all Jews. The land thing is a convenient excuse.
Also, a dirty bomb won't necessarily be a major device that ruins land for a long period of time, nor will it necessarily kill a large radius. A backpack sized bomb could wipe out a couple miles without any "serious" long term issues.
I agree there is no point in striking China, nothing is gonna happen in Korea, and that they'll hit us eventually.

[Baketech]

Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

That's where the material will come from, but I don't think it will be used there.

HD

Not arguing, but the incident at Beslan shows that they have the motivation, and the will.

[Heavy-Dee]

Originally Posted by Baketech

Not arguing, but the incident at Beslan shows that they have the motivation, and the will.

Motivation and will, yes. Money? I'm not sure.

HD

[CBRVFR]

Originally Posted by BDA116

The fighting there has nothing to do with land. It has to do with the fact that Muslims want to exterminate all Jews. The land thing is a convenient excuse.

Actually, the fighting there has everything to do with the land. Prior to Hertzl's efforts in the late 19th century to re-populate what was then Palestine, there were few issues that caused Muslims and Jews to conflict. Indeed, The Ottoman empire was one of the few refuges in the world for Jews. My mother's family was expelled from Spain in 1492 and found that the best place for them to avoid the Inquisitions and Pogroms of Europe ( in the countries that would even allow them in) was in the Ottoman Caliphate of the Island of Rhodes. Most of my grandparent's siblings emigrated to North or South America in the early 20th century, but the remainder of the family lived there until they were exterminated by the nazis.

My point is that the land is truly the heart of the issue over there. God forbid, if a NBC attack took place, it would be much more likely to be Chemical.

Bake, you left out Europe. I think that's the easier target if the perpetators would be radical Islamists, and would likely have a galvanizing effect on what BDA rightly calls the 'axis of pussies', who would be capitulating faster than it takes me to type this.

Russia is about to go medieval on the Chechen's asses. They're not a good target. We'd likely bomb the **** out of Iran and Syria if it happened to us.

But, I hope it doesn't happen.

[BDA116]

Good point about the money, but the Beslan incident shows that they're not working alone. Most of the terrorists that took the school were Arabs. They definitely have the outside help, but where will the money come from?

[Baketech]

Yeah, I screwed the pooch on Europe....realized it after I hit "Submit"....

Anyway, I think that the memories of Grozny are a powerful motivator for these people. The involvement of Arabs points to a potential source for money and impetus. The big question now becomes....are they really "Chechen Rebels", or is this now just a wider branch of radical Islam? In my opinion, this is a watershed event, and it will be critical how the world makes this distinction.
Whether the world continues to see this situation as a localized seperatist issue or part of the global war on terror will be pivotal....

Concerning the poll, I agree that radical Islam would like nothing more than to commit an act on US soil, but the simpler logistics of a Russian/European strike makes it more likely imho... time will tell....

[ER]

Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Actually, the fighting there has everything to do with the land. Prior to Hertzl's efforts in the late 19th century to re-populate what was then Palestine, there were few issues that caused Muslims and Jews to conflict. Indeed, The Ottoman empire was one of the few refuges in the world for Jews. My mother's family was expelled from Spain in 1492 and found that the best place for them to avoid the Inquisitions and Pogroms of Europe ( in the countries that would even allow them in) was in the Ottoman Caliphate of the Island of Rhodes. Most of my grandparent's siblings emigrated to North or South America in the early 20th century, but the remainder of the family lived there until they were exterminated by the nazis.

I think historically it has been about the land but within the last 50 years, the movement to dominate the world through Islam has taken up the Palestinian "cause" as a convenient platform from which to further their fight. I think you'll see radical Muslims popping up anywhere that it is tactically to their advantage to do so. Bin Laden has been trying for years to identify with the entire Muslim world because, if he can, he's got a billion soldiers.

[luvtolean]

The thought of someone lighting off a dirty bomb in Israel is pretty freaky. We see how they respond to car bombs, imagine what they'd do if someone nuked them.

[figment]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

The thought of someone lighting off a dirty bomb in Israel is pretty freaky. We see how they respond to car bombs, imagine what they'd do if someone nuked them.

That wont happen because the area is under contest. It is too smalll an area to use a dirty bomb. What I think will happen is that the US wiill cease to be an infuential power in the war against Israel. Israel will be left to fight alone. This cant happen without some kind of major change to the US...

[ND4SPD]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/13/lost.bomb/index.html

This is the scary part...

An estimated 50 nuclear warheads, most of them from the former Soviet Union, still lie on the bottom of the world's oceans, according to the environmental group Greenpeace.

[Baketech]

Another timely story....

Full Article

US, Russia secretly remove uranium from Uzbekistan

Tue Sep 14, 3:55 AM ET


WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States and Russia carried out a secret operation last week to remove weapons-grade uranium from the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan, whose government is facing growing Islamist unrest, said the Energy Department.

But the removal also coincided with escalating criticism of President George W. Bush (news - web sites) by his democratic rival in the November 2 election, Senator John Kerry (news - web sites), who has accused the White House of being lax in confronting the spread of nuclear material around the world.


Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites) said Monday the one-day operation, implemented last Thursday, was crucial for enhancing international security.


"The recovery, return and eventual elimination of this highly-enriched uranium are an important milestone in our campaign to reduce this dangerous material worldwide," he said in a brief statement.

[ND4SPD]

If the operation was so secret, how come we know about it a week later?

How many people(locals) were able to track that shipment?