[figment]

Becomes First State in Nation to Ban 50 Caliber Anti-Armor Sniper Rifles

Law Comes Less Than Three Years After Violence Policy Center First Identified Threat Posed by These Readily Available Tools of Terror
Governor Schwarzenegger Signs Bill That Bans Rifles That Can Destroy Aircraft, Down Helicopters, and Penetrate Armor Plating

[luvtolean]

Glad to see unbiased reporting. I'm looking for the law, if I can still buy one right now, a .50 cal is going on the CC. I can't believe these people...

[luvtolean]

I just called the CA Firearms division. You can buy them until the end of the year, and then they must be registered by 2006.

So figment, PM me what you know about them. I missed AR's, I won't miss a .50cal. Plus it's a nice to the CA government.

[ccwilli3]

Glocktalk is giving one away I think. OTher than that, I know nothing... Would be interesting to learn, don't know if I'd really wanna shoot one though!!

[figment]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

I just called the CA Firearms division. You can buy them until the end of the year, and then they must be registered by 2006.

So figment, PM me what you know about them. I missed AR's, I won't miss a .50cal. Plus it's a nice to the CA government.

I sold mine because it was too much hassle to go out to the lease to shoot it. Plus, if it was dry, the HE loads (fun ones) could not be used. The RC51 was bought with the funds

This is a bad law. Most of what is known about 50bmg has come out of civilian programs. http://www.fcsa.org/

This is where I got mine:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/barrett_m82a1.html

[rocket]

Well with all those incidents of terrorists snipers using the 50 cal and the gang bangers for that matter(how do they turn it sideways ansd shoot that baby I don't know) I can see why this is a good ban. Hopefully they will ban jets with fuel tanks over 5 gallons , too.

Thank goodness for freedom fighters like Boxer and Feinstein.

[NinerPilot]

Barretts are made here in Murfreesboro. THey hae a good relation with my rangew that I go to, and they have an M82A1 on display as well as the new 6.8 SPC. I got to shoot the 6.8 the other day and The manager has cleared it with Chris Barrett for us to take it to my grandfather's farm to shoot it. When (not if) I get one, it will be a Barrett.
Chris

[rocket]

Originally Posted by NinerPilot

Barretts are made here in Murfreesboro. THey hae a good relation with my rangew that I go to, and they have an M82A1 on display as well as the new 6.8 SPC. I got to shoot the 6.8 the other day and The manager has cleared it with Chris Barrett for us to take it to my grandfather's farm to shoot it. When (not if) I get one, it will be a Barrett.
Chris

I'm very interested in the 6.8. I hear it's an accurate round with punch. The SF guys are using it and love it from what I've read. The Barrett M468 is high on the must have list.

[NinerPilot]

Same ballistics as the 308 out to X many yards... A little more bark than my .223
Chris

[Cowboy1600]

Now dont get me wrong, im not some bleeding heart socialist, but I cant figure out why the hell you'd wanna own a 50 cal, or AR for that matter? I own a couplea 22's and a 410 shotty, and maybe 1 or two others ive forgotten about(they havent been out of the cabinet for 10 years, I think ive still got the 9mm luger and a semi-auto 22) but cant see why anyone would want anymore than that. I guess I dont understand the american obsession with owning big guns

And let me reiterate, im not having a go at you guys, rather asking for some clarification.

[Baketech]

"Because it shoots thru schools?"

Sorry Niner...I had to...

[figment]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Now dont get me wrong, im not some bleeding heart socialist, but I cant figure out why the hell you'd wanna own a 50 cal, or AR for that matter? I own a couplea 22's and a 410 shotty, and maybe 1 or two others ive forgotten about(they havent been out of the cabinet for 10 years, I think ive still got the 9mm luger and a semi-auto 22) but cant see why anyone would want anymore than that. I guess I dont understand the american obsession with owning big guns

And let me reiterate, im not having a go at you guys, rather asking for some clarification.

Why do you NEED a bike that can break every limit in 1st gear? Shouldnt you just ride a 50cc mophead? Thats all you NEED... the .50BMG has a 3000m effective range. Its a longrange thing. Lots of skill. More than a .22...Like the difference between a litre bike and a pass-through mophead...

[rocket]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Now dont get me wrong, im not some bleeding heart socialist, but I cant figure out why the hell you'd wanna own a 50 cal, or AR for that matter? I own a couplea 22's and a 410 shotty, and maybe 1 or two others ive forgotten about(they havent been out of the cabinet for 10 years, I think ive still got the 9mm luger and a semi-auto 22) but cant see why anyone would want anymore than that. I guess I dont understand the american obsession with owning big guns

And let me reiterate, im not having a go at you guys, rather asking for some clarification.

Having just a .22 would almost defeat the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. The false notion that the 2nd is to protect hunters is just that...false. The 2nd was put in place to protect the noble experiment of a government by the people and for the people. This power was even hinted at in the Declaration of Independence(quote below) and of course confirmed in our bill of rights. How would the citizens of this nation abolish a potential destructive form of government with .22s and shotguns? To me guns = Freedom.

That said until you own and shoot an AR15, M1A, a Barrett, a FAL, or a HK91 you don't know what fun your missing.

Anytime you're up this way you're welcome to join me at the range to show you exactly what I mean.


BTW Great analogy Figment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by rocket

Having just a .22 would almost defeat the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. The false notion that the 2nd is to protect hunters is just that...false. The 2nd was put in place to protect the noble experiment of a government by the people and for the people. This power was even hinted at in the Declaration of Independence(quote below) and of course confirmed in our bill of rights. How would the citizens of this nation abolish a potential destructive form of government with .22s and shotguns? To me guns = Freedom.

That said until you own and shoot an AR15, M1A, a Barrett, a FAL, or a HK91 you don't know what fun your missing.

Anytime you're up this way you're welcome to join me at the range to show you exactly what I mean.


BTW Great analogy Figment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

All that aside, not because I think it's trivial but because I've said it before.

High power rifle rounds are tons of fun to shoot. I shot a high power competition last year with M1 Garands, and it is a very challenging thing to shoot 200+ yards. Something a .22 is just not meant to do. Unless you lengthen and shape the slug for better aerodynamics, and you put a centerfire cartridge behind it with lotsa powder, you know, kinda like the round the AR shoots.

As Figment said, the .50Cal rifles we are talking about here were not designed for the military or copied from military weapons. They were designed by and for extremely long range target shooting competitions. The military watched these guys making incredible shots and decided to call up Barrett for sniper rifles to issue.

[rocket]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

All that aside, not because I think it's trivial but because I've said it before.

High power rifle rounds are tons of fun to shoot. I shot a high power competition last year with M1 Garands, and it is a very challenging thing to shoot 200+ yards. Something a .22 is just not meant to do. Unless you lengthen and shape the slug for better aerodynamics, and you put a centerfire cartridge behind it with lotsa powder, you know, kinda like the round the AR shoots.

As Figment said, the .50Cal rifles we are talking about here were not designed for the military or copied from military weapons. They were designed by and for extremely long range target shooting competitions. The military watched these guys making incredible shots and decided to call up Barrett for sniper rifles to issue.

I also dig the CheyTac LRRS .408. ....sub-MOA accuracy at ranges of up to 2500 yards and at ranges beyond 700 meters the .408 bullet has more energy than the standard .50BMG ball bullet. The .408 cartridge also is lighter than .50BMG cartridge by about 1/3, and generates less recoil.
Props to the SASR but the USMC is already testing this up and coming round.

All that said I enjoy shooting my M4gery most of all.

[figment]

Originally Posted by rocket

... the .408 bullet has more energy than the standard .50BMG ball bullet. ...

All that said I enjoy shooting my M4gery most of all.

.408 CheyTac
Yeah but what about .50bmg 30. 06 sabot?
Barrett M82A1

[asiliat]

yeah, they're fun to shoot. So what?

The very freedom you hold so dearly (and that you trumpet so loudly) could also get you and yours killed. If some freedom isn't infringed upon, how the heck is the gov't going to protect you?

I agree that the ban of a single gun isn't doing much to joe public (especially if you can still buy it before year's end), and I think that this law is nothing but propaganda to show you that the guy you voted for is actually doing something with your tax money.

But seriously, just because it's fun doesn't mean it should continue to be allowed.

I mean, stunnas think it's fun doing mile long wheelies too, and we berate them for making our insurance artificially escalated. No one else says boo.

Ban the gun(s), you can still "play" with a .22

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by asiliat

yeah, they're fun to shoot. So what?

The very freedom you hold so dearly (and that you trumpet so loudly) could also get you and yours killed. If some freedom isn't infringed upon, how the heck is the gov't going to protect you?

I agree that the ban of a single gun isn't doing much to joe public (especially if you can still buy it before year's end), and I think that this law is nothing but propaganda to show you that the guy you voted for is actually doing something with your tax money.

But seriously, just because it's fun doesn't mean it should continue to be allowed.

I mean, stunnas think it's fun doing mile long wheelies too, and we berate them for making our insurance artificially escalated. No one else says boo.

Ban the gun(s), you can still "play" with a .22

Fun isn't my reason for being pro gun.

Go back to feudal europe. Goto Nazi Germany. Oppressive governmental systems always ban weapons as soon as they can. If you want a population completely under control of the government, you can't allow them to be armed. The framers of the most perfect document written by man knew this and included it second on the list of rights for a reason.

Goto the Rodney King Riots, where we see examples of what can happen for a brief period of time when the police are not in control of an area.

Then, go look up violent crime stats in Britain and the increase since the basic banning of personal firearms ownership.

Gun laws are the illusion of safety, and it is easily perpetrated because the media has glamorized them to the point that they are these mythical death rays.

You won't see me blame stunnas for insurance rate increases because I have looked into it and all the data I see leaves me convinced they are not the reason. The reason are 50 YO men on Harleys that like to ride bar to bar.

But I like your stunna example. I'd bet Stunnas kill lots more people on percentages than gun owners. So we should ban the bikes the stunnas ride by your logic correct?

[figment]

Originally Posted by asiliat

snip... If some freedom isn't infringed upon, how the heck is the gov't going to protect you?

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)

hold the phone, dont pass go or pay $200! I am MUCH better at protecting myself than my government

[rocket]

Did you read my post? Tyranny prevention is why we have the right to have firearms . the fact that they are fun to shoot is merely icing on the cake. Don't be a hater.

Originally Posted by asiliat

yeah, they're fun to shoot. So what?

The very freedom you hold so dearly (and that you trumpet so loudly) could also get you and yours killed. If some freedom isn't infringed upon, how the heck is the gov't going to protect you?

I agree that the ban of a single gun isn't doing much to joe public (especially if you can still buy it before year's end), and I think that this law is nothing but propaganda to show you that the guy you voted for is actually doing something with your tax money.

But seriously, just because it's fun doesn't mean it should continue to be allowed.

I mean, stunnas think it's fun doing mile long wheelies too, and we berate them for making our insurance artificially escalated. No one else says boo.

Ban the gun(s), you can still "play" with a .22

[Johnny Diablo]

Heard a word of relief last week from a buddy at work. If I recall right. Barrett/President of Barrett Firearms and most prominent manufacturer of the gun using the BMG cartridge told Arnie to go ahead and throw the democrat dogs a bone.

Barrett is already working on a replacement 50 cal cartridge and barrel that functions better than the BMG cartridge. Apparently the BMG cartridge with its fluted neck is not as efficient as a straightjacket cartridge.

So Arnie is just playing the game with no need to worry.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by figment

I sold mine because it was too much hassle to go out to the lease to shoot it. Plus, if it was dry, the HE loads (fun ones) could not be used. The RC51 was bought with the funds

This is a bad law. Most of what is known about 50bmg has come out of civilian programs. http://www.fcsa.org/

This is where I got mine:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/barrett_m82a1.html

You sold the .50!!!! OK you bought an RC Reminded me of the Blues Brothers when he traded the Bluesmobile for a mike