[Cowboy1600]

Now I know this may seem obvious, but why doesnt the US invest some of its war chest, that it uses to secure oil fields, into renewable energy sources? More money invested into developing technology would cut reliance on crude oil which means they could step back and let the dune coons fight amongst themselves.

US foreign policy baffles me

[Johnny Diablo]

Dont make me get outah my Expedition to put you in check ...you hippie liberal!

JK

That was the 70s when opec first put the screws to us. We ended up with lines at the gas pumps, fuel rationing. Fuel efficient cars and the idea of miles to a gallon are a product of that.


We do have a focus toward fuel efficency and alternate fuels. Our government and corporations do develop alternate fuels. Fuel cells... electric cars ... etc.
I am personally in a backlash against all the environmentalist types. I choose a hot rodded low mpg 2-stroke scooter to back lash with.

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

Dont make me get outah my Expedition to put you in check ...you hippie liberal!

JK

That was the 70s when opec first put the screws to us. We ended up with lines at the gas pumps, fuel rationing. Fuel efficient cars and the idea of miles to a gallon are a product of that.


We do have a focus toward fuel efficency and alternate fuels. Our government and corporations do develop alternate fuels. Fuel cells... electric cars ... etc.
I am personally in a backlash against all the environmentalist types. I choose a hot rodded low mpg 2-stroke scooter to back lash with.

Hey maaaan.....like peace out ooookaaaay

Nah seriously tho, The US is hell bent on oil. As a nation you guys consume like 18 million barrels a day. I think its still your major source of electricity.

Europe and even Australia have traditionally been at the fore of development of alternate fuels such as hydrogen etc altho detroit has certainly jumped on recently.

Im no environmentalist, but it seems so much more could be done to lower fossil fuel consumption, which would have a number of good flow on effects. such as withdrawal from the middle east(then they'll stop trying to blow you and us up), drop in greenhouse gas output etc.

[Baketech]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Nah seriously tho, The US is hell bent on oil. As a nation you guys consume like 18 million barrels a day. I think its still your major source of electricity.

Europe and even Australia have traditionally been at the fore of development of alternate fuels such as hydrogen etc altho detroit has certainly jumped on recently.

Im no environmentalist, but it seems so much more could be done to lower fossil fuel consumption, which would have a number of good flow on effects. such as withdrawal from the middle east(then they'll stop trying to blow you and us up), drop in greenhouse gas output etc.

[ND4SPD]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

(then they'll stop trying to blow you and us up)

Sorry, but fat chance of that happening...

[Johnny Diablo]

Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Sorry, but fat chance of that happening...

I agree.


We would all try to drive mini's and save a wholelotta gas but it just doesnt jive well with our supervalue/biggie/go large/supersize diet. An american has to eat.... and toss a styro bigmac box outah a 13 gallon per mile Cadillac Eldorado cause those dam bats just dont let up...

Speak to my attorney.

[Baketech]

Great movie....

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Hey maaaan.....like peace out ooookaaaay

Nah seriously tho, The US is hell bent on oil. As a nation you guys consume like 18 million barrels a day. I think its still your major source of electricity.

Europe and even Australia have traditionally been at the fore of development of alternate fuels such as hydrogen etc altho detroit has certainly jumped on recently.

Im no environmentalist, but it seems so much more could be done to lower fossil fuel consumption, which would have a number of good flow on effects. such as withdrawal from the middle east(then they'll stop trying to blow you and us up), drop in greenhouse gas output etc.

Our oil consumption is very in-line with our GDP. Let me go look, but last time I checked, the US was more fuel efficient than Aus.

[ND4SPD]

We can send a man to the moon, right? So you mean to tell me that Cadillac can't make an Eldorado that the bumper don't fall off of?

[luvtolean]

OK, we use 25.39% of the world's oil, and we happen to be about 21.4% of the GDP.

Aus uses 1.8% of the oil, creates a GDP of $570 billion, which is 1.1%.

See how that works?

I was wrong, we are about equal.


http://www.geohive.com/charts/linkc....ons&xsl=en_res

[Baketech]

Nice...but I want to learn more about Hydrogen...

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

OK, we use 25.39% of the world's oil, and we happen to be about 21.4% of the GDP.

Aus uses 1.8% of the oil, creates a GDP of $570 billion, which is 1.1%.

See how that works?

I was wrong, we are about equal.


http://www.geohive.com/charts/linkc....ons&xsl=en_res

US has 320 million people, there are around 1.2 billion people living in developed nations. You make up over 1/4 of the total world consumpition of oil. There are over 5 billion people living in under-developed countries. These people have to go without so as you guys can drive you 1mpg cadillacs?

Once again, Im not trying to be inflammatory, merely interested in these kind of issues so I want get your take on it.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

US has 320 million people, there are around 1.2 billion people living in developed nations. You make up over 1/4 of the total world consumpition of oil. There are over 5 billion people living in under-developed countries. These people have to go without so as you guys can drive you 1mpg cadillacs?

Once again, Im not trying to be inflammatory, merely interested in these kind of issues so I want get your take on it.

Let's think this through a bit more.

GDP is directly related to how much stuff you make. It takes energy to make stuff. As a matter of fact it takes LOTS of energy, far more than it takes to sustain someone's fridge or car. Again, the GDP to oil link is clearly established. Go google it and start reading.

I'll give you an example. A local aircraft development wind tunnel takes so much energy it has to be run at night, and they have to call the power people to make sure they can turn it on without crashing the grid. A develping country isn't going to be doing things like this, and therefore use lots less energy.

While developing countries don't use much oil, the oil they use is far less efficiently used than that of industrialized nations.

And gimme a break on your car milage comments. Every country in the world is driving more SUV's.

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Let's think this through a bit more.

GDP is directly related to how much stuff you make. It takes energy to make stuff.

So nations that dont have a strong manufacturing based economy dont need so much oil? So therfore non-manufacturers dont have a large GDP?

As a matter of fact it takes LOTS of energy, far more than it takes to sustain someone's fridge or car. Again, the GDP to oil link is clearly established. Go google it and start reading.

Next time you go shopping take a look on the labels of what you buy. Wheres it made?

The IMF has opened up under developed nations to gross exploitation from 1st world nations so as we can get all their goods dirt cheap. And that goes for Aus aswell as the US, altho the US is the largest consumer of everything in the world.

I'll give you an example. A local aircraft development wind tunnel takes so much energy it has to be run at night, and they have to call the power people to make sure they can turn it on without crashing the grid. A develping country isn't going to be doing things like this, and therefore use lots less energy.

What are yous guys going to do when the oil runs out?

While developing countries don't use much oil, the oil they use is far less efficiently used than that of industrialized nations.

And gimme a break on your car milage comments. Every country in the world is driving more SUV's.

SUV's? hardly. Well not so much in Australia and I know Europe is a huge market for very little cars, and diesels as fuel is soooo expensive there. Sure there are what we call "Toorak tractors" (what youd call soccer mums) on the road here, but they make up a tiny percentage on the overall market. We do sell a lot of 3 litre+ family sedans, and small softroader - engines ranging from 2 to 4 litre - sales are taking off, but these are hardly you 7.3 litre turbo diesel SUV's that are the biggest sellers in the US.

[spillover]

Why, when the oil runs out, we are going to buy cheap chinese nuclear reactors and go electric.

EDIT: Kind of sad though. Just another example how the Chinese are going to be smoking our asses in fifty years. More evidence for the rise of the Asian continent. It's what you get, though, when you have to choose between a milquetoast and the man whose greatest invention was 'The Axis of Evil' .

[figment]

Originally Posted by Baketech

Nice...but I want to learn more about Hydrogen...

me too.

How Hydrogen Can Save America

[abtech]

Ever listened to the exhaust note of an inline 4 hydrogen powered liter bike? How about a big gnarly V-Twin?

Until someone figures out how to make electric engines sound "mean" or hydrogen driven turbines to wail as they "hit the cam", you won't see anyone I know buying one . . .

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

So nations that dont have a strong manufacturing based economy dont need so much oil? So therfore non-manufacturers dont have a large GDP?

Next time you go shopping take a look on the labels of what you buy. Wheres it made?

Highly scientific there. I will say this, China is a very inefficient user of oil, doesn't give a **** about the environment, and their fuel use is growing exponentially.

Again, don't use your intuition on GDP and oil use, GO RESEARCH IT!

What are yous guys going to do when the oil runs out?

The same thing you guys will do, adapt. In a lot of ways I look forward to that day. I hate the thought of dealing with tribes in the Middle East as much as the next guy. (Of course, most US oil does not come from the Mid East but you know what I mean)

SUV's? hardly. Well not so much in Australia and I know Europe is a huge market for very little cars, and diesels as fuel is soooo expensive there. Sure there are what we call "Toorak tractors" (what youd call soccer mums) on the road here, but they make up a tiny percentage on the overall market. We do sell a lot of 3 litre+ family sedans, and small softroader - engines ranging from 2 to 4 litre - sales are taking off, but these are hardly you 7.3 litre turbo diesel SUV's that are the biggest sellers in the US.

Turbo 7.3l SUV's? There weren't many made (and none currently) but nice try. I travel frequently, and people from the Philippines to China, to England, Germany and France and they all tell me there are more SUV's on the road, and that the numbers are rising. And most SUV's people can afford to buy don't have very large engines.

I am glad you bring up diesel though. The assertion I see by Euros that diesels are better for the environment is laughable at best.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Turbo 7.3l SUV's?

I have a 4.8L pickup 20MPG, a 4cyl Vibe 30MPG, an Ascot 55MPG, and a 1KRR ??MPG. I agree with the very few 7.3L SUVs but have to admit Pontiac does make a Blower kit for my Vibe God I love being an American!

[Johnny Diablo]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

I am glad you bring up diesel though. The assertion I see by Euros that diesels are better for the environment is laughable at best.

You are kidding right? They are not actually thinking this? Diesel polution is off the chart compared to cars. But take polution and european vehicles in focus for a moment.

I remember standing on a street corner in Paris smelling all the diesel and 2-stroke back in 92. It didn't seem that different as much as polution goes from standing on a street corner in Mexico City. I can't recall any street corner in the US that has that much polution occuring. I know in Cali we pay more for a vehicle as our cars have to meet a higher standard as far as polution goes.

BTW, I still have dreams of my very own RZ500 with 4 pipes pumping out the smokey aroma of castor based motul800.

[luvtolean]

I am not kidding.

After spending a day walking around downtown London, you'll blow black boogers. Ew. I was appalled when I saw there are American cab companies looking at buying British cabs.

I was in Paris last year, and the trees along the roadways are covered in black soot.