[ondablade]

Really impressed at the respect for free speech and independent opinion this represents I am - as I'm sure are quite a few others lurking behind the scenes.

Even more impressed at the fact that it's a silent ban - just spirit the troublemaker away without trial. (just make sure he's wearing one of those orange jackets first)

Getting to be a real tradition in parts of the US these days. McCarthy rides again it seems. I hear you got DCE Motorsports as well.

Going to tell us it's because Proto used crude language, was abusive to somebody, was inflammatory or whatever???

I hope not given the sort of abuse of those posting non-mainstream of political views by prominent members that was permitted by the site right through last year.

Hope also that it wasn't for nibbling away by posting smart ass non-constructive comments undermining the political views posted by others - nibbling again doesn't seem to be any problem round here if the person targeted is off the mainstream orthodoxy.

Keep on going this way and very soon there'll be nobody left at all to voice views opposing the republican dogma which passes for much of the political debate around here. Be great - the mutual admiration society some around here seem to need to prop up their insecurities.....at least until the sh1t goes in the fan as a result of the policies being pusued by the administration.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Just about every major policy call the Bush administration has made has been flat wrong.

Just about the one thing they have (in a narrow self interested sense) got right is the way they have stoked fear, leveraged patriotism, flung dirt, dumbed down, stifled public debate and otherwise played to the instincts of a constituency more informed by Hollywood than by human values or practical reality for political gain.

The US economy is flat, has been for the life of the administration, and is not generating jobs at any meaningful rate. National debt is rocketing. The rich are getting richer, blinder and more heartless, the poor are getting poorer.

No WMD, no collusion with terrorists found. Illegal unilateral declaration of war and detention of prisoners without rights. Curtailment of citizens rights in the name of security, with nasty little regimes all tround the world piling on to the same bandwagon.

The UN weapons inspectors right on the button about Iraq. Having as result of self interest and incompetence missed the opportunity of capitalising on what goodwill existed after the war, Iraq is now going to hell in a bucket, the death rate is rocketing and the US and the Iraqi government are being steadily forced out of Iraqi cities. Still little water, no power, and low oil deliveries.

It's become clear that military power can't fix the problem there, the religious have already had to be hauled in to patch things up when the military bluff was called. If things don't change it'll end up as another Vietnam, but with much greater consequences given the implications for terrorism and the oil supply.

The Palestinian roadmap is dead. Afghanistan is mostly back in the hands of the warlords, and the Taliban are again growing in power. The opium trade is flying. Osama baby is free and succeeding like never before in driving the rise of fundamentalist terrorism among moderate Arabs. Al Quaeda is demonstrably still very much alive.

Arab and Muslim opinion as a result of unilateral and simplistically militaristic US policies is ablaze and driving recruitment to terrorism like never before.

Russia is all set to pour petrol on the flames on the terrorist problem in the Caucasus by embarking on a hard line militaristic policy to save Putins political ass under the cover of 'we're only fighting terrorism'. (wonder where he got that line from? Sharon has already used it to justify his version) Reserving the right to act anywhere in the world they please to do so as well - wonder where they got that from too...

The India/Pakistan problem in Kashmir and North Korea hav meanwhile very definitely not gone away.

Heaven knows whose side the Saudis and the Pakistanis are on.

The US is increasingly isolated in the world, is deeply feared by many, and has all but lost it's ability to function as a neutral broker and leader in international disputes. The Western alliance that delivered 50 years of stability has been thrown away and left in disarray in an administration driven split (suits them politically to have the US backed into a corner where the average US Joe comes to feel the world is against them) which mimics the polarisation of US political opinion.

Other countries through this lack of leadership are meanwhile being allowed to substitute anti US rhetoric for constructive diplomatic policy and co-operation, this further damaging the potential for the international co-operation we need to address the huge problems facing the world today.

We (the world) have a nuclear proliferation and terrorism problem to deal with, not to mention the climate change and energy issues.

The US has a huge role to play in terms of both resourcing and helping resource solutions, but it cannot successfully attack all of these these problems on its own. It needs international cooperation. It even needs international co-operation to sort out Iraq.


I'm not anti US (but I'm heavily anti the present administration) and am sure many will disagree with some of my views above, but I'm for one very worried.

The big picture is that we're headed for very serious trouble if US policy doesn't turn from feeding the narrow self interest of the republican party to focus on galvanising international co-operation to address these issues and the underlying human deprivation which is driving terrorism. For all our benefits...

And I'm sorry, but the current admisnistration have long since proven they have neither the competence, humanity nor the will to do this....

[luvtolean]

Proto was not banned for his political leanings.

He told a moderator to **** off and this was the end for him.

DCE is not banned. Feel free to look it up.

Edit (to add): I don't see what your political interpretations on US policy, or Dubya in particular, have to do with the topic?

[929_Nupe]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Proto was not banned for his political leanings.

He told a moderator to **** off and this was the end for him.

DCE is not banned. Feel free to look it up.

Edit (to add): I don't see what your political interpretations on US policy, or Dubya in particular, have to do with the topic?

Good question


I think ondablade want just wants a shot at Chain's wordy sumbitch Title

[ConqSoft]

Proto being banned and your view on politics are separate subjects. If you want to discuss either, start a thread in the appropriate forum. This one is closed.