Cheney vs. Edwards Debates

Baketech · 10-05-2004, 2:55 PM

There's finally starting to be a little buzz about this debate...

I predict another draw....Edwards will win the procedure points, and Cheney the argument points.

Any predictions?

CBRVFR · 10-05-2004, 4:38 PM

I got your prediction right here..........

Edwards will enunciate words never before spoken with a Carolina accent. His boyish grin and obvious sincerity will completely befuddle Cheney, who will be so frustrated that no one is doing what he wants them to do that he'll have his 19th heart attack on the air.

Kerry will revive him using his hamster CPR skills, and Cheney will sue his ass just to get a taste of the Heinz fortune, or a night on the town with Theresa. ( He's risking number 20, right there..)

Edwards will take the case for his usual 35%.

What do I win?

oldfogey · 10-06-2004, 7:11 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3717918.stm

BBC on-line views of the debate. Looks like a draw from here.

Baketech · 10-06-2004, 7:50 AM

I think our media will portray it as a draw, or a slight Edwards victory.

They seemed to score equal procedure points, so I think viewers will not declare a winner in the abstract. Instead I think that detemination will be made based upon agreement or disagreement with policy...

Edit:
Just to clarify, if our media declares it a draw, then that will be interpreted as an Edwards victory. The pre-debate portrayals really lowered the bar for Edwards, and villified Cheney. The perfect strategy in the world of media spin...

Heavy-Dee · 10-06-2004, 8:30 AM

IMO, Cheney ate Edwards for breakfast. I like him.

CyBeR929 · 10-06-2004, 8:34 AM

Was anyone else shocked at how much more intelligent these two seemed compared to Bush/Kerry? I gave the slight edge to Cheney because he connected with more haymakers (the S-Corporation and the 17% increase in Medicaid being 2 of my favorites). I felt bad for Cheney when they got to the Constitutional amendment for marriage topic.

SuperDave · 10-06-2004, 8:38 AM

Here's my take on last night's debate.

First of all, I may have to let Halliburton go. Maybe BDA was right after all in that no other company could even do the job and that it was just a coincidence Cheney was CEO. I'm not keen on the job they're doing or the scandals/investigations, but I'll let Halliburton die in my conspiracy mind, although it's not easy.

Ok, Cheney handled himself very well (kinda scary actually, the guy is no non-sense) and Edwards stumbled quite a bit and kept repeating Kerry's debate comments verbatim.

Points - the gay and lesbian voters will not be happy with either party. Draw.
Although my jaw dropped when Edwards brought Cheney's gay daughter into the debate.

That was a low blow, I can't believe he did that. And Cheney's rebuttal? "Thanks for the kind words about my family"?

That was it?!!! Was he being sarcastic? I felt that was uncalled for and so far none of the media is even commenting on it. Tasteless.

Economy/jobs - Cheney skirted the whole issue and Edwards even joked about which issue Cheney was commenting on. Edwards "plan" seemed very vague, but at least he recognized the loss of jobs where Cheney was off talking about blacks were starting to score closer to majority (white?) kids in school?

What the hell does that have to do with Ohio losing 225,000 jobs?

Edwards did score with "Saddam having little if any ties with AlQuida".
Cheney seemed to trip over himself with conflicting comments of "Iraq being the center of terrorism" and Edwards responded with "60 countries have AlQuida presence, why is Iraq the center if it's now known to have no ties?"

Cheney's continous ringing of his hands made me nervous. I'm not sure if he's being untruthful, nervous, or if he's doing his Bogart imitation and asking for a strawberry investigation. Edwards was apparently thirsty, as he kept pretending to drink from his coffee cup over and over again. Is that a bottomless cup?

Cheney scored repeatedly with Edwards supposed voting record and his sometimes absent political participation.

I was left with, although I do not support Bush, he is very fortunate to have Cheney as Vice President in this election. Kerry/Edwards may have lost some points (IMO) but the next debate may bring it back to even. Edwards, appears to me, to be a little fake and Cheney seems as though he would not blink an eye before going to war with another country.

The moderator could have done a little better as she kept confusing "Senator" with "Vice President" and got confused as to who's turn it was for the question. She also didn't make the parties stick to the question at times.

Heavy-Dee · 10-06-2004, 8:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyBeR929

I felt bad for Cheney when they got to the Constitutional amendment for marriage topic.

I thought he handled it just as he should have. He said "This is my view. The pres sets the direction for our administration and I support him." Basically, saying that he may not agree, but he is the president and I work for him. After Edwards' rebuttal, Cheney had his chance to respond to the response, and he just thanks Edwards for the kind words about his family!?! It was awesome! He's like "I've said enough, and my daughter is not open for conversation. Let's move on."

Cheney for President.

HD

bwhip · 10-06-2004, 9:07 AM

Cheney articulated the positions of the administration 1,000 times better than Bush can (unfortunately). I thought his calling into question Edwards' lackluster Senate record was quite a score ("tonight when you came on stage was the first time I ever met you").

Cheney did stumble on the question of jobs, diverting it to education discussion. Many times Edwards avoided the question, as toward the end when he started talking about healthcare, when that wasn't at all what the question was about. Cheney's response was also about healthcare - he had allowed Edwards to move the debate in a different direction and didn't bring it back on track.

I was a little surprised that Cheney didn't pounce on the obvious issue that Kerry and Edwards are promising everything in the world, yet saying that it will all be paid for by people making over $200,000 per year. Not gonna happen, folks.

SuperDave · 10-06-2004, 9:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwhip

I was a little surprised that Cheney didn't pounce on the obvious issue that Kerry and Edwards are promising everything in the world, yet saying that it will all be paid for by people making over $200,000 per year. Not gonna happen, folks.

Yes, I agree. I believe Bush may have smirked about that in the first debate, but that was it.

Valid question. How are you going to beef up the military by 30,000-40,000 troops, double the existing special forces, spend billions on Aids research, etc.? Who's going to pay the existing $131 - $200 billion Iraq bill?
Damn, I still can't comprehend $200,000,000,000 dollars in tax money.