[Baketech]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Simple....they are a bunch of ass licking toss pots. Little johnny loves to please Bush, so not only does he suck his dick, but he buys redundant military surplus from him too!!

I didnt vote for the ultra conservative, neo-fascist

Well said....well spoken....

If I had know that question would make you go asymptotic, I would have never asked it....my apologies...



Just so I understand though....it's okay for you to stereotype all citizens in the US just by reading a few statistics and talking to a handful of people on the internet, but when it's turned around, then you are off the hook because you didn't vote for someone....

[ND4SPD]

Originally Posted by Baketech

Well said....well spoken....

If I had know that question would make you go asymptotic, I would have never asked it....my apologies...



Just so I understand though....it's okay for you to stereotype all citizens in the US just by reading a few statistics and talking to a handful of people on the internet, but when it's turned around, then you are off the hook because you didn't vote for someone....

I know what's coming next...

[figment]

Bakietech,

Brer Rabbit

[Baketech]

[oldfogey]

You injuns just couldn't wait to get those guns to shoot at cowboys, could ya?

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

You guys talk alot about the 45s no one is a fan of the 10mm?

I know the ammo costs more but I was thinkin about gettin a full body glock 10mm. the GLOCK 20?

I love them. I rented a G20 and proceeded to scare hell out of everyone around me at the range. The stalls on either side emptied. I really liked it. And I don't like Glocks.

But I think if you're going to have a gun in your house for self defense, you should have all similar guns unless you shoot all the time. I want my muscle memory programmed for a 1911. In PROK you can't buy a 1911 framed 10mm unless you find someone in state with a Colt Delta, and those that have them know what they have, $.

My GF usually rents a .357 Sig (in a Sig) when we goto the range. The looks she gets from dudes shooting 9mm's are hilarious.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by oldfogey

You injuns just couldn't wait to get those guns to shoot at cowboys, could ya?

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Simple....they are a bunch of ass licking toss pots. Little johnny loves to please Bush, so not only does he suck his dick, but he buys redundant military surplus from him too!!

I didnt vote for the ultra conservative, neo-fascist

So....you don't think you need a military?

Hitler loved your kind in the 30's.

[figment]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

In PROK you can't buy a 1911 framed 10mm unless you find someone in state with a Colt Delta, and those that have them know what they have, $.

I love my Delta Elite

[ccwilli3]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

So....you don't think you need a military?

Hitler loved your kind in the 30's.

You must have missed his post earlier, that can't happen today. The hitler's of the world that is... Besides, a lot of the freedom's he enjoys is backed by his gov'ts relationship with our gov't.

[Johnny Diablo]

Thanks for the info LTL.

Yeh my dad was telling me the history about the 45. The doped up chinese and koreans were unstopable unless they were shot with something to knock them off their feet.

Since I like to camp in bear country I was recommended a nickle 10mm. I know you all know it already but the 10mm packs the most punch and would be the best defense against a bear.

I already have a baby eagle 9mm. I have tried a browning high power, Ruger poly p95 9mm, and a 9mm Glock. I am most accurate with the Ruger and the baby eagle. I shot like crap with the glock. I did well with the browning.

I have asked that part of my inheritance be the browning. A year and I am still waiting on it.

[luvtolean]

BTW, you can get a 1911 that starts in .45ACP re-barreled and sprung to shoot 10mm by a gunsmith. (actually you can order the stuff to do it yourself) But you have to be careful as you're adding stress to the frame, and .45's modded to shoot higher pressure cartridges are known to crack.

I seriously don't think there's much difference in bear country. Unless you're packing a serious rifle, where you put a pistol shot will matter more than the size and speed of the slug.

Lots'a jokes around making sure when shooting your pistol at a bear to save the last round for yourself....

[ER]

Originally Posted by Baketech

Well said....well spoken....

If I had know that question would make you go asymptotic, I would have never asked it....my apologies...



Just so I understand though....it's okay for you to stereotype all citizens in the US just by reading a few statistics and talking to a handful of people on the internet, but when it's turned around, then you are off the hook because you didn't vote for someone....

He's a young know-it-all who has an opinion on everything while knowing nothing. There are a thousand Cowboys on the net and he's probably having a ball with this because you guys continue to try and reason with him. He's tossed out enough rhetoric about guns to have made this clear. You might as well start ignoring him.

[Johnny Diablo]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

...... Heck, even when someone is "saved" there is usually someone(a "potential" criminal)who is harmed.

Once again, surely you can see the need to control guns more tightly. Make it harder for everyone to get hold of a gun, whether legal or not.

Cowboy,

I have seen the error of my ways... Soon I will take up your cause and help to convert the likes of the misguided like LTL, ER, Figment, Baketech, Rocket etc.. HOWEVER there is a another group that is in dire need of your insight. You need to fight the good fight HERE I will take care of finishing up around the .ORG.

[Zeeman]

A bit late on this thread, but anyway, do you really NEED semi-automatic shotguns and detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles to go hunting or to shoot at targets? Like really? Or are you all just stockpiling for when someone invades your country? If it's an invasion you are worried about, then fair call. Then the question is, why do people want to invade you?

As for the gun and the match.. I'd rather go head to head with a dude wielding a match (burning or not) than a Desert Eagle...

But regardless,I will put myself in the hsoes of a gun owner. Not too hard, a sI have friends who belong to gun clubs and shoot a veriety of pistols and rifles, from Berretta's and Glocs all various high powered rifles that I'm sure are capable of poking a bears eye out at 1000yards (along with the rest of it's head).

I can actually see the fun in it - having previously done archery (another weapon "designed" to kill people - or animals, though I'm not sure which it was used for first..) there was a time when I seriously considered buying a small calibre pistol for target shooting. In fact, it is still an idea I throw around every so often. Anyway, as a gun owner in Aus, you MUST keep your guns unloaded and locked up in a safe - if you are carrying the gun, you must keep the gun unloaded, and the ammo and gun serperated (in different bags). Now, I am going off memory here, as I'm not really fired up enough about this topic to look into the current laws as they are right now, but still, let's go on.

Now, Ihave heard several incidents int he US where kids have gotten at a parents gun, and eithe rkilled someone else, or themselves. Would it not be wise to have guns that are not in use (ie - not currently being fired) locked up? Maybe this is a law in the US, or legislation may vary from state to state, I'm sure someone will enlighten me (yes, I am genuinely interested and want to know more). Were the guns locked up, said kids would not have been able to get at them. Maybe a gun safe is law, and the gun owner broke the law, if so, what are the penalties? They should be pretty severe, I would think, not just a year or 2 in jail (gaol for the UK/Aussie English readers).

Are there restrictions on who can own a gun? The motorcycle/gun comparison was brought up earlier, regardless of your viewpoint, you NEED a license to legaly ride a bike. You need to meet a set of criteria proving that you are capable of handling the motorcycle (even if the requirments are way too low). Does nayone intedning to buy a gun need any form of education or training? do they need to pass any tests? Or is it merely a "cooling off" period?

So, as an open minded person, please inform me of the facts.

Z...

[Cowboy1600]

I dont think you guys understand where im coming from. As far as me being all young and unknowing, im all of 3 years youger than you are ER, and ive also been studying these kind of topics for quite a while now, at a tertiary level. US politics is of great interest to me as its extremely complicated, and very covert at times. The backroom dealings that go on are amazing. Abd yes, I am very critical of many US government policy. The idea that the most powerful man in the world is preparing for the second comming of christ seems almost too much to believe.

Now I have never claimed to know everything, nor have I ever said guns should be banned full stop. What I have been saying all along is guns need to be more heavily regulated. Why is this so hard for you to digest? dont tell me, the thought of losing your "freedom" makes you sick. I grew up with guns, and enjoy using them. However in Australia its very difficult to get a license to own a weapon and when you do, the restrictions on what you can own and how they must be stored are very tight. As far as being narrow minded, if you guys were able to give me a good reason why you need a weapon capable of taking out a person from 3k's away then id definately change my tune. Freedom isnt a good argument cause freedom is available to those who dont wield such weapons.

[oldfogey]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

The idea that the most powerful man in the world is preparing for the second comming of christ seems almost too much to believe.

Threadjack, I suppose, but topical re EU commission rejection of a christian for accepted christian beliefs. Do those of us who are non-christian really think a christian needs to check his beliefs at the door to be an acceptable politician? What does this say for our nations' acceptance of muslim beliefs in a politician?

[figment]

Originally Posted by Zeeman

A bit late on this thread...

So, as an open minded person, please inform me of the facts.

Z...

have an understanding of what our constitution means first and...start at the beginning of the thread please

[figment]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

I dont think .... Why is this so hard for you to digest?

effective range: 3 miles

[ccwilli3]

Originally Posted by Zeeman

A bit late on this thread, but anyway, do you really NEED semi-automatic shotguns and detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles to go hunting or to shoot at targets? Like really? Or are you all just stockpiling for when someone invades your country? If it's an invasion you are worried about, then fair call. Then the question is, why do people want to invade you?

As for the gun and the match.. I'd rather go head to head with a dude wielding a match (burning or not) than a Desert Eagle...

But regardless,I will put myself in the hsoes of a gun owner. Not too hard, a sI have friends who belong to gun clubs and shoot a veriety of pistols and rifles, from Berretta's and Glocs all various high powered rifles that I'm sure are capable of poking a bears eye out at 1000yards (along with the rest of it's head).

I can actually see the fun in it - having previously done archery (another weapon "designed" to kill people - or animals, though I'm not sure which it was used for first..) there was a time when I seriously considered buying a small calibre pistol for target shooting. In fact, it is still an idea I throw around every so often. Anyway, as a gun owner in Aus, you MUST keep your guns unloaded and locked up in a safe - if you are carrying the gun, you must keep the gun unloaded, and the ammo and gun serperated (in different bags). Now, I am going off memory here, as I'm not really fired up enough about this topic to look into the current laws as they are right now, but still, let's go on.

Now, Ihave heard several incidents int he US where kids have gotten at a parents gun, and eithe rkilled someone else, or themselves. Would it not be wise to have guns that are not in use (ie - not currently being fired) locked up? Maybe this is a law in the US, or legislation may vary from state to state, I'm sure someone will enlighten me (yes, I am genuinely interested and want to know more). Were the guns locked up, said kids would not have been able to get at them. Maybe a gun safe is law, and the gun owner broke the law, if so, what are the penalties? They should be pretty severe, I would think, not just a year or 2 in jail (gaol for the UK/Aussie English readers).

Are there restrictions on who can own a gun? The motorcycle/gun comparison was brought up earlier, regardless of your viewpoint, you NEED a license to legaly ride a bike. You need to meet a set of criteria proving that you are capable of handling the motorcycle (even if the requirments are way too low). Does nayone intedning to buy a gun need any form of education or training? do they need to pass any tests? Or is it merely a "cooling off" period?

So, as an open minded person, please inform me of the facts.

Z...

Zeeman, good post, this is the type of conversations that are welcomed (as you know!).

Basically yes, all guns have to be locked up, if a minor gets your gun and kills someone, even if he stole it, you are responsible in the USofA. THe penalties are severe. 15+ years depending on what they do with it, all the way up to life in prison. And yes, there are TONS of restrictions already on who can own/buy/carry a firearm in the US. Each purchase requires a background check and in most states, buying a pistol involves a one-week long background check. Its quite thorough, but things to slip through the cracks occasionally. If you've committed a felony or other violent crime, you obviously get denied and you cannot buy the gun. It also goes on record that you tried and were denied. So if you try to buy one later, at another store, they can tell that you have tried again it raises red flags to authorities. Fact of the matter is though, that guy isn't going to go to a gun shop to buy a gun, he'll just buy one on the street corner and do whatever he wants anyway. But there are laws against that too, they just have to be inforced. Which is the difficult part.

I also think that its a law that all handguns now must COME with gun locks when you buy them. I think. Its been a while since I bought one, but I think they do now.

I know I didn't answer all of your questions, but in short, YES, we do have SOO MANY restrictions on who can buy what and when. Thats why legal everyday citizens don't want anymore legislation that will take more 2nd amendment rights away when their are already laws in the books that are not well enforced.

[ND4SPD]

What about at gun shows? Can't you just buy anything you want without going through all that paperwork? I'm sure the "store" type merchants will make you go through the proper chains, but what if someone like figment went to a gunshow to show off his collection?

[figment]

Originally Posted by ccwilli3

Zeeman, good post, this is the type of conversations that are welcomed (as you know!).

Basically yes, all guns have to be locked up, if a minor gets your gun and kills someone, even if he stole it, you are responsible in the USofA. THe penalties are severe. 15+ years depending on what they do with it, all the way up to life in prison. And yes, there are TONS of restrictions already on who can own/buy/carry a firearm in the US. Each purchase requires a background check and in most states, buying a pistol involves a one-week long background check. Its quite thorough, but things to slip through the cracks occasionally. If you've committed a felony or other violent crime, you obviously get denied and you cannot buy the gun. It also goes on record that you tried and were denied. So if you try to buy one later, at another store, they can tell that you have tried a