[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

..."Why any such terrorists should be captured alive in the first place is a real question. Maybe they have information that could be useful. But every terrorist our troops try to capture alive increases the risk of death for American combat troops." WHO SAID HE WAS A TERRORIST!!! oh thats right Thomas Sowell did, and he knows all!! Also nice touch on the "American" combat troops. Somehow Aussie troops are immune to the increased chance of death.
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I thought you guys were to smart to subscribe to waffle such as that that comes from the anus of Thomas Southwell. Guess I was wrong.

Are you any relation to Chain? That was a lot of words

[rocket]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

yeah so **** it huh, lets just blow every ****ers head off that way we can be sure. **** it lets just line up anybody we find in a mosque, hospital or school and machine gun the whole lot. That way we got em before they got us

Nice work hitler

Whatever pacifist bitch.

The terrorist as evil as they are have the one up on your ilk... at least he is willing to put himself in harm's way for what he believes in. (ahhh getting a burn on your hand torching a flag doesn't count cunny).

You got nothing. Cry to someone who actually gives a ****.

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by rocket

Whatever pacifist bitch.

The terrorist as evil as they are have the one up on your ilk... at least he is willing to put himself in harm's way for what he believes in. (ahhh getting a burn on your hand torching a flag doesn't count cunny).

You got nothing. Cry to someone who actually gives a ****.

And rocket bows out.

[rocket]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

And rocket bows out.

Whatever makes you feel important.

Shouldn't you be out hugging a tree or something?

[nhfirefighter13]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

"A hand grenade is easily concealed and can kill you just as dead as if you were shot by a machine gun or hit by a nuclear missile."

More great use of language on his behalf. Relate a handgrenade to a nuke!! As we all know they are very similar in destructive capabilities.

Unlike a nucular(sic) missle you can direct someone who may be carrying a handgrenade from a safe distance.

Once again, you show us that you truely are ignorant of that which you speak.

[figment]

I cant see why you guys waste your time with this flake

[rocket]

Originally Posted by figment

I cant see why you guys waste your time with this flake

You're right. This is a joke.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by figment

I cant see why you guys waste your time with this flake

Simple he is being polite and might learn something in the discussion. While I doubt I can change his attitude/opinion I do think that I can plant some things for him to think on and with time and age his opinion will change. If not maybe someone else reading the thread will benefit. All else fails I am wasting time as you say, but trust me I have wasted in before in dumber ways

[Cowboy1600]

Meeeoooow.....claws are out now!!! Good work guys, most of you have once again proven to be narrow-minded ignoramuses lacking the intelligence to formulate a valid argument. Why not, in future, save yourselves the embarrasment and just sit on the sidelines and let those of us with a brain debate the issue at hand. You personal attacks on me, rather than sticking to the argument, are admissions of a lack of rational thought and ability to use intelligence to take a contrary postion on this issue. When you guys, and this is not directed at everyone, actually pull your heads far enough out of your asses to see whats true then maybe ill actually give your opinion some kind of weight. Until then nothing you say will be given any credit by myself, nor will any of your attacks even come close to annoying or upsetting me. So feel free to abuse me as much as you like, for all you will be doing is fortifying the opinions that many people already hold about you . Have a nice day

[rocket]

We have tried to argue many points with you CB1600 but you don't even read our posts(with understanding). You are the narrow-minded ignoramus. You lack the open-mind.
Oh and go ahead and edit out the baiting remarks in your posts like your famous for.

Have a nice day troll!

[sheepofblue]

productivity and civility of the thread is gone. I will graze this thread no more. Good luck fellows ( and ladies )

EDIT: OK one last item since I could not resist. Here is why folks REASON

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by rocket

We have tried to argue many points with you CB1600 but you don't even read our posts(with understanding). You are the narrow-minded ignoramus. You lack the open-mind.
Oh and go ahead and edit out the baiting remarks in your posts like your famous for.

Have a nice day troll!

???? edit out baiting remarks? You've been on the pipe again. Show me where Ive edited "baiting remarks". I changed one heading, as in hindsight I felt it was inflammatory however that was not my purpose. Apart form that i dont think ull find anything else that I have edited to make more fluffy for you guys. As far as me being narrow minded....ha....thats the pot calling the kettle black. Im open to discussion, you like nothing but slandering those with a varied opinion. If someone were to give me a solid reason for changing my opinion then it would propably have quite an effect. As yet this has not happened. As for you, there is absolutely no way you would ever change your mind.

As for the debate at hand, the man shot has as yet to be shown as a terrorist, or in anyway linked to the monsters carrying out the beheadings. Nor has he proven to be playing dead. How could the soldier know he was playing dead? He could have been asleep for all he knew. Why didnt he back out of the building and fire a few shots in the air, or scream at him thru hailers or something other than waling up to say stating that "this one's still alive" then blowing a hole in his head?

[bwhip]

I imagine the Aussie military is hiring, Cowboy. Perhaps you could join and show them how a real soldier should behave in combat.

While it may be proved that this Marine's actions were inappropriate (though doubtful), I think the majority of the people posting opposition (or disgust) with your posts on the topic don't feel that it's respectable or credible to question the actions of this Marine, when we haven't been in the same situation.

We are all entitled to our opinion, but I think they carry more weight when one truly knows what they are talking about.

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by bwhip

I imagine the Aussie military is hiring, Cowboy. Perhaps you could join and show them how a real soldier should behave in combat.

While it may be proved that this Marine's actions were inappropriate (though doubtful), I think the majority of the people posting opposition (or disgust) with your posts on the topic don't feel that it's respectable or credible to question the actions of this Marine, when we haven't been in the same situation.

We are all entitled to our opinion, but I think they carry more weight when one truly knows what they are talking about.

FYI I have applied for the Army twice. 1st time to go thru the trade school where I was hoping to become an aircraft technician, however the backlog of applications was almost 3 years long. I couldnt wait for 3 years so I applied for general entry, however I failed the physical. My physical fitness was exceptional but unfortunately my back aint so good nor are my knees. Years of surfing, rugby, cycling, cricket and harvesting macadamias combined with injury, oz-good-schlatters(sp?) and a condition in my back have taken their toll. I tried to hide it but they got hold of my doctors records. If I were to try again now the knees and back wouldnt be such a problem, but I broke my ankle last year which would see me needing to wait about another 2 years before they would consider my application. When it comes to knees, ankles , backs or necks they want to see 3 years of having no issues. In the mean time Ive gone back to uni (being 25 I couldnt wait around for too much longer), or else I would still dearly love to join the army. Maybe once ive finished uni Ill investigate it again, but I cant see my knees getting any better.

As I have mentioned a few times my opinions are formulated purely from the tiny amount of footage that was made available. It certainly does not show the whole story, and perhaps there was reason for doing what he did, but going only from the video, which is all we have, IMO he deserves to get his ass kicked from Iraq all the way back to the US. Im open to information that may change my opinion, but as it stands hes done a heinous thing.

[Cowboy1600]

Oh, I also applied to the reserves at the start of the year but my ankle put paid to that.

[oldfogey]

Cowboy, one last try; here's my earlier response: "I vote don't know, because I don't. I cannot put myself in the shoes of that young man and do not know the circumstances, so no personal judgement."

Why do you insist on having an opinion about what might or might not have happened when you don't have the information? You rightly state elsewhere that opinion forming should be based on facts. If you have insufficient facts to form an opinion, don't grab at one. We each have prejudices we turn to in the absence of new facts sufficient to persuade us of the need to change our opinion. These prejudices are amply demonstrated in this and other threads.

Keep asking those questions about reasonable opinion, but try to base on facts. Avoid the "mine's bigger than yours" exchange of prejudice unless you simply enjoy the exchange as many do here and elsewhere.

Best Wishes,

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by oldfogey

Cowboy, one last try; here's my earlier response: "I vote don't know, because I don't. I cannot put myself in the shoes of that young man and do not know the circumstances, so no personal judgement."

Why do you insist on having an opinion about what might or might not have happened when you don't have the information? You rightly state elsewhere that opinion forming should be based on facts. If you have insufficient facts to form an opinion, don't grab at one. We each have prejudices we turn to in the absence of new facts sufficient to persuade us of the need to change our opinion. These prejudices are amply demonstrated in this and other threads.

Keep asking those questions about reasonable opinion, but try to base on facts. Avoid the "mine's bigger than yours" exchange of prejudice unless you simply enjoy the exchange as many do here and elsewhere.

Best Wishes,

Yeah, but "dont know" is boring. Im sure you probably have an opinion that sways further one way or another but choose to sit on the fence due to lack of knowledge of the incident. I dont like fence sitting so I choose not to. From the extremely limited knowledge I have on the incident I have developed an opinion. However Im aware that I dont know the whole story, thereforIm open to modifying that opinion should further information come to light. Until such time I am sticking with my opinion that he has done the wrong thing. I dont get involved in the "mines bigger than yours". I certainly try to base all my arguments on evidence, and only argue things that I genuinely believe. The fact that so many people feel the need to resort to petty insults demonstrates that perhaps I occasionally do a good job. I dont participate in these threads to troll. I do so to express my opinion and knowledge, which is all anyone does. Difference being my opinions usually vary greatly from most on this site.

[Cowboy1600]

BTW, my last post was said with the utmost respect. I appreciate your attitude towards myself, and others, when arguments become personal.

Also in this case, unlike others, Im not bringing any predisposed opinions to the table. My opinion is formed purely on the small amount of footage. I believe that the troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, East Timor and the many other places that are currently seeing deployments of troops from allied nations are doing incredible work. The situations they face are probably the worst anyone would ever have to, and for the majority their conduct is beyond reproach. Its a shame the 1 or 2 apples spoil the bunch.

[johnnycrash]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Nor has he proven to be playing dead. How could the soldier know he was playing dead? He could have been asleep for all he knew.

Yeah, that's probably it. He was asleep - in a Mosque used by insurgents - next to a bunch of machine guns and RPG's. Makes sense to me - that's definitely where I'd take a nap.

[rocket]

Another question: Would you want the Marine or CB1600 to have your back in a battle situation? Fence sitters?

[ccwilli3]

Originally Posted by rocket

Another question: Would you want the Marine or CB1600 to have your back in a battle situation? Fence sitters?

there is no decision to be made here...

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Yeah, but "dont know" is boring. Im sure you probably have an opinion that sways further one way or another but choose to sit on the fence due to lack of knowledge of the incident. I dont like fence sitting so I choose not to. From the extremely limited knowledge I have on the incident I have developed an opinion.

Choosing sides just because saying you need more info is "boring"? No, it's intelligent. No engineer, scientist, lawyer, or anyone trained in how to solve problems would EVER make a snap judgement like that because it is plain ignorant.

You are forming an opinion on something based on a 5 second media newsbite. Congratulations, you've just submitted to propaganda. Baaaaaaa....

If you consider something like this important, don't be a sheep and play into the media's hands. Reserve judgement until you have enough info.