[stegen]

Dont know if this has been covered before but here goes.

Was thinking about the abuse to the prisoners in gauntamino (sp) bay and I almost find it ok that it was done. Those people would have done way worse to us other than humiliate. Eye for an eye I say. What say you?

[Getsome]

I think we should break away from all the Geneva Convention, UN bs and fight like our enemies do. Treat prisoners like they do. Should have walked into Iraq, killed everything that stood in our way, dropped American Flags on all the oil rigs and said it's all our now biatches.

If we went in there with a eliminate anything that stands in our way attitude then things would be alot different.

[stegen]

Originally Posted by Getsome

I think we should break away from all the Geneva Convention, UN bs and fight like our enemies do. Treat prisoners like they do. Should have walked into Iraq, killed everything that stood in our way, dropped American Flags on all the oil rigs and said it's all our now biatches.

If we went in there with a eliminate anything that stands in our way attitude then things would be alot different.

i am thinking that was sarcasm. Us following so many rules to treat EVERYONE with total respect is getting our men killed. ever seen "Saving Private Ryan"? The solider that they let go because it is wrong to kill an unarmed man ends up killing one of them near the end.

[firedawgon929]

Hehe, ever seen saving private ryan? Same old steggy. Don't base your opinion of military tactics on Hollywood man. We wouldn't have let him go. We would have given him 3 hots and a cot and the occasional plunger treatment chain style.

Personally being a human being, let alone military, would find it hard to treat Iraqi POW's with respect if I had watched them kill my fellow brothers in arms. War is war, and war is ugly. It's no place for a television camera for the whole world to see. We've been killing each other since man was created, and it will never stop until we no longer exist.

[Getsome]

Originally Posted by stegen

i am thinking that was sarcasm. Us following so many rules to treat EVERYONE with total respect is getting our men killed. ever seen "Saving Private Ryan"? The solider that they let go because it is wrong to kill an unarmed man ends up killing one of them near the end.

no sarcasm involved. did you read it correctly? We should have walked in killing everything and then there would have been much less opposition once they realized we meant business. the bs rules we follow are ****. the UN is ****, and we should own this damn planet.

[stegen]

agreed. I am sure scenarios in SPR have happened. someone with a heart decided wrong. I disagree with the sentences those guys got for the abuse, it was sad.

[stegen]

read it correctly, you just agreed with me so much i thought you were kidding.

[Getsome]

Originally Posted by stegen

read it correctly, you just agreed with me so much i thought you were kidding.

no not kidding. I spent just under 10 years in the Marine Corps and had to deal with so much poilitcal BS that it sometimes made me sick. The way our people even have to behave in countries we have bases in is pathetic...

Not to mention how the crying mothers of America have turned our boot camps of all the services into a pussy fest. Can't even train men/women to be hard and ready for war anymore without it being called abuse.

[aussie_929]

Originally Posted by Getsome

no sarcasm involved. did you read it correctly? We should have walked in killing everything and then there would have been much less opposition once they realized we meant business. the bs rules we follow are ****. the UN is ****, and we should own this damn planet.

Spoken like a true redneck.......

[aussie_929]

Originally Posted by Getsome

The way our people even have to behave in countries we have bases in is pathetic...

I agree, I was in the US military with some time overseas and some of behaviour from the guys from the base was truly pathetic.

Some of them had no respect for the locals what so ever. lol screaming at them because they couldnt speak english.

[Bacchus]

Getsome, firedawgon929, I agree with your posts up to a certain point. That point would be, "we shouldn't be involved in this phucking war in the first place! . For those of you who have served in this ill conceived war, I salute you! I certainly don't downgrade your efforts, rather I salute you for doing your job. I just don't agree (at all) with Bush's reasons for attacking Iraq. I won't go into detail...

[Cowboy1600]

Hahaha.....classic thread....."abuse away" and "american way" differ how exactly?

When in rome do as the romans do huh? So your no better than those you wish to abuse. What separates "you" from "them" if you stoop to their level.

Good work chiba monkeys, your no better than a "terrorist"

[stegen]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Hahaha.....classic thread....."abuse away" and "american way" differ how exactly?

When in rome do as the romans do huh? So your no better than those you wish to abuse. What separates "you" from "them" if you stoop to their level.

Good work chiba monkeys, your no better than a "terrorist"

well you are wrong. I wouldnt do to them if they didnt to me. in classic childness, "they started it"

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by stegen

well you are wrong. I wouldnt do to them if they didnt to me. in classic childness, "they started it"

Only problem is

"they started it"

is how they feel. Of course they are wrong arent they?

[Bacchus]

Cowboy1600, as my last SO once told me, "sometimes it's just OK to be quiet" ...

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by Bacchus

Cowboy1600, as my last SO once told me, "sometimes it's just OK to be quiet" ...

Am i speaking untruths?

[nomad]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

Am i speaking untruths?

I think you missed the message. The message is, "Sometimes it's better to just shut the heck up because you won't gain ground anyway and you will just cause yourself more frustration."
(Bacchus, I hope you don't mind me paraphrasing. )

[nomad]

Stegen, only you can really answer this question for yourself.

What do you consider righteous in the eyes of your god? (I say "god" meaning any Buddha, God, Allah, Bush or whomever you choose as a moral leader) It's my understanding that the Christian way is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you were in a prison on their side, would you find torture acceptable? Clearly no. By the Christian logic, you would find it not acceptable to do that yourself - regardless of "who started it".

So Stegen, would your god tell you the righteous path is to torture your enemies? Be judge and executioner for his sins or to treat him as you would be treated.

One last note, not everyone in Guantanamo is a terrorist.

[stegen]

I dont beleive in god.
I said what i beleive and was asking what you beleive.

[Getsome]

I have never been a politically correct person. I have views on certain subjects that many don't agree with. The way I view how things are going in this conflict is that they don't follow the guidelines like we are supposed to. They take prisoners(who are civilians andnot military) and cut their head off and then send out the video to be seen by all. They arm their children with bombs to blow up our people and thier own. I think we should fight like the enemy we are fighting would fight.

If they have no reguard for any kind of life or treating people humanely then neither should we.

If we really wanted this to end then the quickest and most likely least casualty causing way for us would have been to go in killing anyone who looked at us the wrong way and resistance would have dropped much faster. The most successful armies in history got to be known for their ruthlessness on the battelfield and that is what wins wars and wins them quickly.

blatant disreguard for human life when it comes to the country you are invading will get you victory faster than anything. I just happen to believe that this is how we should fight.

[phobiaphobe]

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