[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

How do you guys respond to people that say "these attacks are the consequence of an aggressive foreign policy"? Some British woman was spouting off on talk radio this morning, that is the jist of what she was saying.

My response to her is: What were the world trade center attacks a result of?

Appeasement worked great with Hitler

[oldfogey]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Appeasement worked great with Hitler

But equally, the settlement of the first world war created the conditions in which an impoverished Germany would either go under (the French intention) or bounce back aggressively. It didn't create Hitler or fascism, but it had the seeds of a second conflict built in.

The political decisions made in Iraq have affected Middle-Eastern and muslim opinion worldwide and have, no question, increased the supply of extremist terrorists. Mistakes were made with which we are having to live. Expect a serious upturn in terrorist activity within the Middle East, notably Saudi Arabia, driven by the huge numbers being trained in the camps in Iraq now. Iran is more active in opposing the Western and Israeli cause than ever, and has more support from China in its activities.

We both need to oppose terrorism and be intelligent about how we fight it.

[Zeeman]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Absolutely, not acceptable to even talk of internment. Shame on anyone that thinks that.

This is America. Home of the free, land of the brave.

Internment of Japanese-American citizens during WWII was a disgrace to the ideal of freedom this country was founded on.

We are free. We can lose freedoms to laws that chip away at our freedom in the name of "the war on terror" but as we've already seen, these laws are mostly used in drug cases...ie, tighter control of the population at large. Why stop at Muslims? Let's intern anyone who doesn't agree with the Pres! Or...is messing around with a lazer in his yard.

The government cannot make you safe. Be brave. Deal with it.

Exactly - it's often this very reason that brings these people to the US, Aus, Brittain and so on. Most of the Muslim community really are shocked that a Muslim can do such a horrible thing.

Yet, ithese ideas are exactly what the terrorists would want the Govts of the "free world" to do. what better way to get those Muslims who are against you, to be with you than have the governents of the countries they have chosen to live in turn against them? Along with it's citizens...

Z...

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Zeeman

Exactly - it's often this very reason that brings these people to the US, Aus, Brittain and so on. Most of the Muslim community really are shocked that a Muslim can do such a horrible thing.

Yet, ithese ideas are exactly what the terrorists would want the Govts of the "free world" to do. what better way to get those Muslims who are against you, to be with you than have the governents of the countries they have chosen to live in turn against them? Along with it's citizens...

Z...

Exactly so. If I was a well educated muslim-American, and my country turned on me, they'd have just made an enemy they didn't want.

Sadly, I think we're in the minority here.

[ConqSoft]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...ims/index.html

[nedro]

A nice feel good artical to read. I wonder how it will read in one year...two years?


It is a start.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Absolutely, not acceptable to even talk of internment. Shame on anyone that thinks that.

This is America. Home of the free, land of the brave.

Internment of Japanese-American citizens during WWII was a disgrace to the ideal of freedom this country was founded on.

We are free. We can lose freedoms to laws that chip away at our freedom in the name of "the war on terror" but as we've already seen, these laws are mostly used in drug cases...ie, tighter control of the population at large. Why stop at Muslims? Let's intern anyone who doesn't agree with the Pres! Or...is messing around with a lazer in his yard.

The government cannot make you safe. Be brave. Deal with it.

He who would trade liberty for security will have neither.

[oldfogey]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

He who would trade liberty for security will have neither.

He who would trade killing an average of fifteen people per bomb for death as a muslim martyr will have neither life nor attain paradise.

But he may have believed that he would attain paradise as a martyr, and been convinced that was the case when he took that dreadful action.

[ConqSoft]

Did the CNN crew not have any guns handy?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ror/index.html

[nomad]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Poor navigation?

That made me spit out my drink.

[nomad]

Originally Posted by ConqSoft

Did the CNN crew not have any guns handy?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ror/index.html

It's interesting that he didn't say WHY he felt that way. I wonder if the CNN folks asked the question. I'm curious as to why these ****tards want to blow people up.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by ConqSoft

Did the CNN crew not have any guns handy?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ror/index.html

No kidding. People like him need a bullet in the head.

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

No kidding. People like him need a bullet in the head.

Naaa...they need to die a slow painful death...

[phobiaphobe]

That's disturbing that you can kill 40+ people for 5 grand.

[BDA116]

It looks to me like the muslim community is very responsible:
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050...1059-2058r.htm

Way to go, islamic jackasses!!

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by oldfogey

He who would trade killing an average of fifteen people per bomb for death as a muslim martyr will have neither life nor attain paradise.

But he may have believed that he would attain paradise as a martyr, and been convinced that was the case when he took that dreadful action.

Yes, but that quote was not referring to terrorists.

It's referring to morons who say things like "yes, we need the TSA to keep us SAFE." Sob sob.

"Oh, thank goodness Bush has trampled all over the Constitution with the Patriot act so we can be Safe"

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

That's disturbing that you can kill 40+ people for 5 grand.

It shouldn't cost that much for such a low number. The reality is though that few can go on killing so suicide efforts make sense.

[nomad]

My friend has a cottage a few hours north... the frigging beavers wreak havoc down in his lowlands because they dam the creek and it floods the forest. Every now and then, we must blow the dam with dynamite. Kinda fun. The trapper that came out to do it last time, decided he'd show us how we could do it with fertilizer. Sure enough, it was a BIGGER boom and more effective. We asked why the hell we used dynamite all these years and he said it was cheaper.

My point is, $5,000 would buy a lot of fertilizer and is readily available. I imagine most of the cost is used to support the families of the kids that go boom.

Ever notice how the folks promoting martydom are old?

[phobiaphobe]

Originally Posted by nomad

Ever notice how the folks promoting martydom are old?

No kidding. Maybe they should be the ones blowing up... they've outlived their usefulness anyway.

[ND4SPD]

Here you go nedro...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...air/index.html

[figment]

if we could just get rid of our dependance on the oil they produce, they 'd all be pounding sand for the next thousand years.

[ND4SPD]

We could...but that would skyrocket all of our prices.

[figment]

Originally Posted by ND4SPD

We could...but that would skyrocket all of our prices.

not really. But even if it did, it'd be worth every penny. We got to get off the oil and onto cleaner fuels mang! Its a win-win for us and a lose-lose for them.