Bush is an idiot...

ND4SPD · 09-13-2005, 1:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunbert

What about free choice? We aren't all direct products of our upbringing. We can make our own choices as well. I've done some dumb stuff, but I'll never accuse my parents of bad parenting or failing at being role models. I think we should leave his family out of this.

My parents have been nothing short of amazing. Having said that, we have disagreed on pretty much anything that I can think of and still do on many things.

HondaGalToo · 09-13-2005, 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Baketech

That doesn't follow....on one hand he is accused of having the evil genius to "decieve the world"...then on the other hand he is accused of not being able to change how he pronounces a word...

Hahaha, maybe it is a pronunciation he just can't get. Like my Grandfather couldn't pronouce "funeral" or "aluminum". Or, as you said, maybe he just chooses not to pronounce it correctly. No, it doesn't make him an idiot. I don't like/disagree with many things he has done, but I don't think he's stupid. Or an idiot.

luvtolean · 09-13-2005, 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Sometimes the smartest man in the room is the one that admits he does not know everything and then leverages the knowledge and ability of those around him.

"...I found that the men in most repute were all but the most foolish; and that some inferior men were really wiser and better...But I observed that even the good artisans fell into the same error as the poets;-becasue they were good workmen they thought that they also knew all sorts of high matters, and this defect in them overshadowed their wisdom..."

CBR929RE · 09-13-2005, 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunbert

What about free choice? We aren't all direct products of our upbringing. We can make our own choices as well. I've done some dumb stuff, but I'll never accuse my parents of bad parenting or failing at being role models. I think we should leave his family out of this.

but why do you make those choices? there's always gonna be something in your past that will help guide the choices you make in your future. sure it might not be parents, maybe you watched too much tv as a kid. There's always gonna situations that no matter how you were brought up you have to make up your own mind.

But I mean come on he should have given them hell for some of the stuff they've done. Make them learn that they can't do some of that stuff around him and if they don't learn he just shouldn't have them around important events. It makes him look bad when they do that. I'm not talking about the stuf they've done in college or anything, just how they act around him. Not only should they have a little respect for him because he's their father but he's the ******* President.

luvtolean · 09-13-2005, 1:47 PM

Bullshit.

Having kids are a roll of the dice.

My parents are both terrible at math. I am not. How could this be so? They did not have the tools to help me...I was beyond their math ability in junior high school.

We are born with innate abilities and tendencies. All we can hope for from our parents is that they provide a safe/loving environment for the good ones to grow in.

CBR929RE · 09-13-2005, 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

Bullshit.

Having kids are a roll of the dice.

My parents are both terrible at math. I am not. How could this be so? They did not have the tools to help me...I was beyond their math ability in junior high school.

We are born with innate abilities. All we can hope from our parents is that they provide a loving environment for them to grow in.

but being good or bad at math really isn't part of your upbringing and isn't a reflection on anyone's parenting. I was decent at math in high school but my sister always struggled with it. same parents different result. I don't see where you're going with this.

innate abilites is one thing but I don't think people are predisopsed to make bad choices right when they are born. Yes there are always exceptions to everything and of course sometimes no matter how good someone is brought up they could still turn out bad.

Zippy · 09-13-2005, 1:53 PM

I think that there is a lot we can do with our kids, but it is still a big roll of the dice.

My son had a 500 word vocabulary by the time he was a year old. My daughter barely spoke a work until she was three. My son has an extremely high IQ, but is not the best student. He took an astromomy course with college kids when he was 9 years old, but at the same time, he was excelling in that, he was near failing in regular school. My daughter is more 'normal', but she is a great 'student'.

Before having kids, I always thought it was nurture over nature, but now I think the other way.

You are right about labels. Left vs right is a way to point out how different we are, when we are really much more the same than we are different.

luvtolean · 09-13-2005, 2:03 PM

Well said Zippy.

I'm an engineer, my brother struggled with algebra in high school (as in, couldn't pass it).

If I had to guess your son is extremely bored in class. I speak from experience...and had the suspensions and bad grades from class to prove it.

tigerblade · 09-13-2005, 2:12 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Bush still doesn't strike me as being very bright. Seems like the kind of guy that tries to surround himself with intelligent people to make the tough decisions. That could be good or bad.

"He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." -Ben Johnson

sheepofblue · 09-13-2005, 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

"...I found that the men in most repute were all but the most foolish; and that some inferior men were really wiser and better...But I observed that even the good artisans fell into the same error as the poets;-becasue they were good workmen they thought that they also knew all sorts of high matters, and this defect in them overshodowed their wisdom..."

Nice but you forgot the source...

luvtolean · 09-13-2005, 2:15 PM

Uhh...yes, on purpose. It's pretty nerdy.

It was written by Plato in The Trial and Death of Socrates: Four Dialogues, possibly said by Socrates...depending on how you think their "relationship" worked.

CBR929RE · 09-13-2005, 2:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tigerblade

"He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." -Ben Johnson

isn't that an old chinese proverb?

*Mo Noyz* · 09-13-2005, 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HondaGalToo

I don't like/disagree with many things he has done

Can't pin you down!!

fst929 · 09-13-2005, 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

No he is a very smart man. He also was a socialist. He also was a pervert (check Monica's age then his daughters). He also was a liar. He also did extreme damage to national security (I will not back this up so feel free to ignore). He also had no respect for his wife (evidenced by repeated cheating). But no he is not dumb.

Bush is borderline facist...and I think he is smart...he has done more to threaten our National security than Clinton did.....

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Sometimes the smartest man in the room is the one that admits he does not know everything and then leverages the knowledge and ability of those around him.

Bush does not ADMIT he does not know something

ccwilli3 · 09-13-2005, 2:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HondaGalToo

He needs to learn how to say "nuclear". It's not "nucular".

Crap.

I've been saying it like that since I've known what it was...

sheepofblue · 09-13-2005, 2:55 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

Uhh...yes, on purpose. It's pretty nerdy.

It was written by Plato in The Trial and Death of Socrates: Four Dialogues, possibly said by Socrates...depending on how you think their "relationship" worked.

It's sad that in today's society being informed and thoughtful is considered a point of critcism (nerd)

Baketech · 09-13-2005, 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fst929

Bush is borderline facist...

In the spirit of the thread request, how about a specific example to illustrate your point...

ccwilli3 · 09-13-2005, 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunbert

What about free choice? We aren't all direct products of our upbringing. We can make our own choices as well. I've done some dumb stuff, but I'll never accuse my parents of bad parenting or failing at being role models. I think we should leave his family out of this.

I agree with you. Liberals however believe you are direct products of your upbringings/environment... The difference being is that you want to take responsibility for your own self, want to make your own decisions, etc... Its always someone else's fault in a extreme left mindset...

*Mo Noyz* · 09-13-2005, 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Baketech

In the spirit of the thread request, how about a specific example to illustrate your point...

I will start holding my breath..........................

NOW!!

Trackho · 09-13-2005, 3:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

. I think the way my parents brought me up was and has always been a big part of why I've never done a single illegal drug..

If you really belive that, you are both a horendous pussy and an idiot.

At least with Clinton it was easy to tell when he was lying, cuz his lips always moved

Talk about pathetic

fst929 · 09-13-2005, 3:37 PM

And....back to the subject....Idiot vs Stupid....fine line between the two.

What Bush is.......self serving....indifferent to the average person....a liar....a manipulator....and partly delusional.

there is a laundry list of shite he has done...wether or not it classifies him as an idiot or brilliant depends on who you are and where you sit.

In approximately 6 years he and his administration have taken this country from the largest surplus in our history approx $250 billion dollars to the largest Debt ever at $7.8 trillion dollars. While our nation becomes more indebted....the companies affiliated with the Bush bubble have become very very wealthy. Ever heard of Hoover's online?? Trace some of the names of the Bush administration both current AND Daddy bush and see what companies they are affiliated with...!!! I KNOW where our money has gone. Oil company profits are up dramaticly, military equip mfg and parts suppliers stocks have gone up in some cases more than 300% ! The various contractors are making money hand over fist in no bid contracts...If you like...I can provide you with the names of the companies, the individuals...and the the stock tikers for the last 6 years. Its a long list

How many people have been killed in Iraq so far?? US military..Iraqi military...civilians...All of this based on lies...YES...lies. As a former Marine infantry I cringe knowing that so many people are being killed under the pretense of lies.Iraq IS NOT AFGHANISTAN and any inferences to convince people that it is are intentionally misleading.

As for the religious right and his payback to them for the support to get him elected...don't get me started..

While Clinton wasn't squeaky clean by a long shot...the crap he pulled and the behind the scenes greasy tactics he used netted a benefit for the people of this country as well as his cronies. Bush....just his cronies..

All Presidents are shady to one degree or another...its the nature of the beast. the difference between a good and bad president is if they keep the best interests of THE people in mind....not just HIS people....

here is just a couple of the big items...when someone comes up with a valid contradiction to them...I'll be interested in reading them

*Mo Noyz* · 09-13-2005, 3:37 PM

Doesn't anyone else here realize that Bush can now look at your library record?!