[aussie_929]

Originally Posted by Mo Noyz

He didn't say that you did.

I assumed, maybe wrongly, thats what he meant.

[figment]

Originally Posted by esoteric

You only consider that it's not religious ... debating evolution.

please, take this topic to new thread on evolution. We need to stay OT.

Thanks.

[Sunbert]

Originally Posted by esoteric

One needs to have an actual background in scientific topics in order to properly debate them.

Agreed, which is why I'm qualified for debate. But, as figment said, I'm staying OT.

[luvtolean]

Esoteric, I recognize the MO...you're not an engineer, or in school to be one, are you?

[Scout]

Originally Posted by aussie_929

LOL you dumb ignorant hillbilly. There is nothing wrong with being proud as I said earlier.

It's people like you who make the US look bad and whom I was referring to. Baketech wonders why I keep seeing the need to tell people like you where I am from....

I dont know where you get the "small mans" complex crap? Couldnt think of anything better?

Ouch. Now you went and hurt my feelings (In my best Nicky Hayden accent).


Okay, I make the U.S. look bad, because I'm loyal to my Country, what it's founded on, and vocalize it?


Where are you from?


Sorry about the "small mans complex" comment. You see, here in the land of "Freedom of Speech", we may bring up issues of debate, and after some thought, articulate an opinion. Sometimes we share our viewpoints with others. Obviously, you are not acclimated to this type of exchange.

I will take this into consideration.


The topic is: The American "Pledge of Allegiance". You are from Australia, which puts you at a disadvantage in the context of experience. You stated that you are somewhat annoyed at Americans who often say they are from the best country in the world.

This comment makes me believe you might have some type of issue that you are harboring, especially since your statement is off topic, and that all is not well with you in the land of the 'roo.

Personally, I get tired of hearing people complain about Americans, so if you don't like my response to your whining like a bitch, find some support group for little girls who dislike Americans with opinions.

[esoteric]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Esoteric, I recognize the MO...you're not an engineer, or in school to be one, are you?

In school to be one (blatedly).

[jaim]

Dang, I missed out on this topic. I love this topic. I read some of this but it is a long thread. It was mentioned that in the constitution the state shall not support any one religion. The pledge can be construed to imply that god is the name of the supreme being for one religion. Hence since public schools are primarily supported by state/federal monies it cannot support the pledge as it is now without actually supporting one religion over others. So the way to correct it is to take "under god" out of the pledge or have kids place their own "god's" name in the pledge. Personally I am for taking it out all together. Especially since the original version never had it to begin with. But I am also for not saying the pledge at all.

I will say luvtolean did a great job in defending his position and a big to him. As for a significant topic the pledge of allegiance is small potatoes. A more significant topic is illegal search and seizure or freedom of the press. Both of which have been trampled by many government agencies over the years.

[tigerblade]

The percentage of people in the United States who claim a religious affiliation is much higher today than it was when our country was founded. I had a whole class on religion in the early US in college (mostly for the easy 'A') but it was very interesting. I think I still have a lot of the info at home.

Though I believe in God and Jesus, I have to agree with ltl about the pledge (and even our currency).

BTW estoteric, Sunbert is a molecular biologist, and I've recently brushed up on integration, differentials, etc. so we can talk about that too.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by tigerblade

The percentage of people in the United States who claim a religious affiliation is much higher today than it was when our country was founded. I had a whole class on religion in the early US in college (mostly for the easy 'A') but it was very interesting. I think I still have a lot of the info at home.

Yep, which is what makes this decision so politically unpopular.

BTW estoteric, Sunbert is a molecular biologist,

But what does that have to do with science?

Esoteric, you'll find many very highly educated people on this site. Best to be careful with your assumptions.

What type of geek you studying to be? I'm an ME.

[Sunbert]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

But what does that have to do with science?

.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by tigerblade

Though I believe in God and Jesus, I have to agree with ltl about the pledge (and even our currency).

You also swear in on a Bible in court. Truly a complicated issue challenging many of our traditions if you follow it to the logical conclusion.


Of course, there are many more important issues, at least on the surface, concerning the world today. But this case:

1) Lets the government know we're vigilant in protecting our rights as Americans
2) Adresses what I like to call "creep" in our laws. It's like the slow taking away of personal privacy, and the right to bear arms. Start fighting these things now, rather than when the right is gone.
3) At least to me, is intellectually very interesting

[Mo Noyz]

Originally Posted by LTL

Esoteric, you'll find many very highly educated people on this site.

But you'll also run into 8th grade graduates like myself.

[tigerblade]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

But what does that have to do with science?

It means you can sit around and play on the Internet all day, pausing only to burn flies in your electro-photo-whatsit chamber.

[Mo Noyz]

Aw man, I got to get me one of them!

Do they work on skeeters?

[Sunbert]

Originally Posted by tigerblade

It means you can sit around and play on the Internet all day, pausing only to burn flies in your electro-photo-whatsit chamber.

And occasionally tell a local veterinarian that his elephant with diarrhea has West Nile.

[luvtolean]

Now that would explain the stench.

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by Sunbert

And occasionally tell a local veterinarian that his elephant with diarrhea has West Nile.

****.

[Sunbert]

Originally Posted by tigerblade

Though I believe in God and Jesus, I have to agree with ltl about the pledge (and even our currency).

Hey, Sunbert...how about I take you to lunch?

Okay.

[esoteric]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Esoteric, you'll find many very highly educated people on this site. Best to be careful with your assumptions.
What type of geek you studying to be? I'm an ME.

I don't think I made any formalized assumptions, merely made statements that if people follow may opt to exclude themselves.

Finishing up all my lower division stuff right now. Will be heading into the AE/ME program at UCI. I'm sooooo tired of software and video games. I'm needing more "grown up" things to do to be satisfied...

[sheepofblue]

this thread will soon pass the "All" thread in size if not content.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by esoteric

Finishing up all my lower division stuff right now. Will be heading into the AE/ME program at UCI.

As in you want to study aerospace? Do you want to go in that, or just into the department (which I see is combined)?

I never want to grow up.

[esoteric]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

As in you want to study aerospace? Do you want to go in that, or just into the department (which I see is combined)?

Yup, aerospace be it. Pick up a BS in that, come back later for something extra in math if my (future) employer is interested, although they offer higher degrees in AE, so that's appealing too. I'd like to make cool stuff like airplanes, spaceships, cars, motorcycles, **** that lands on Mars (not much interest in **** on Uranus), stuff like that.

[Scout]

Originally Posted by esoteric

**** that lands on Mars (not much interest in **** on Uranus), stuff like that.

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