And yet no mention of DeLay here.

rocket · 10-05-2005, 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Actually Clinton was convicted (impeached) and disbarred.

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luvtolean · 10-05-2005, 1:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Actually Clinton was convicted (impeached) and disbarred.

Don't go confusing people with facts.

BDA116 · 10-05-2005, 1:39 PM

I wonder how many years I would have to sit in prison if I lied to a Grand Jury, Congress and all the American people?

QuikMike · 10-05-2005, 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

I wonder how many years I would have to sit in prison if I lied to a Grand Jury, Congress and all the American people?

0. If you ran and was elected Prez.....

luvtolean · 10-05-2005, 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

I wonder how many years I would have to sit in prison if I lied to a Grand Jury, Congress and all the American people?

For perjury? I don't think you can do more than a year.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-05-2005, 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Actually Clinton was convicted (impeached) and disbarred.

Gentlemen, please.

Let's do our homework before making all these accusations lest we sink to the level of the garden variety liberla.

First of all, impeachment is the leveling of charges against the President. It is NOT a conviction.

Secondly, President Clinton was acquitted of both the perjury and obstruction of justice charges. Which is why he never had to leave office.

I didn't particularly care for the guy's character, but let's make sure we've got our facts straight.

luvtolean · 10-05-2005, 2:36 PM

Actually he was disbarred and impeached.

But he made various deals to avoid conviction (like anyone would).

*Mo Noyz* · 10-05-2005, 2:39 PM

I realize that. But several folks here are using the term impeached like it means "convicted".

And he was not convicted at all.

And he wasn't disbarred, per se, he was suspended.

luvtolean · 10-05-2005, 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo Noyz

And he wasn't disbarred, per se, he was suspended.

That was in Arkansas, for 5 years, along with a $25k fine to not be criminally investigated when he finished his presidency. (though several others in Whitewater were convicted)

The Supreme Court disbarred him. (though admittedly it might have been fought and overturned)

http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/...bar-011001.htm

Clinton was so slimy, and so sued, it's easy to get confused.

phobiaphobe · 10-05-2005, 2:52 PM

Clitin'

*Mo Noyz* · 10-05-2005, 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

That was in Arkansas, for 5 years, along with a $25k fine to not be criminally investigated when he finished his presidency. (though several others in Whitewater were convicted)

The Supreme Court disbarred him. (though admittedly it might have been fought and overturned)

http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/...bar-011001.htm

Clinton was so slimy, and so sued, it's easy to get confused.

Again, this is incorrect. He was suspended and given 40 days to respond. He then resigned.

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/LAW/10/01/scotus.clinton/

luvtolean · 10-05-2005, 3:08 PM

Oh yeah, looks like you're right. Suspended and then he quit. Kinda like being told you'll be hung in the morning, here's a pistol now.

Him and Nixon.

Lucky for Clinton the economy was good while he was in office.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-05-2005, 3:15 PM

Nah, he could have beat the suspension if he had wanted to, IMO. Just wasn't worth the trouble since he never argued a case before the SC, nor ever intended to.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-05-2005, 3:19 PM

Oh, and don't get me wrong. The guy was a completely slimeball of a human being. Still is.

luvtolean · 10-05-2005, 3:24 PM

Perjury is serious ****, lawyers and judges don't like that, lawyer jokes aside.

But yeah, why mess with it, when you retire as Pres, you're not going to be arguing cases anymore...

His greatest acheivement was a balanced budget. I sure wish our conservative guys actually were conservative.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-05-2005, 3:31 PM

Perjury is indeed serious. But without an actual conviction from the Senate...........who knows.

And I agree completely. It would be nice to get a real live conservative back in office. While I don't really feel that the neo-cons have done any real damage, I think it's a bad direction for this party to move in.

rocket · 10-05-2005, 3:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo Noyz

I realize that. But several folks here are using the term impeached like it means "convicted".

And he was not convicted at all.

And he wasn't disbarred, per se, he was suspended.

Was it their tone of voice that tipped you off?

ccwilli3 · 10-05-2005, 4:08 PM

Lil Kim got time for perjury.

Too bad she wasn't the president...

BDA116 · 10-05-2005, 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

...His greatest acheivement was a balanced budget.

On paper. It never truly was. It was a projection, and it was the raised tax rates and riding the economic boom that was able to show that on paper.
But yes, it would be nice if there were some actual conservatives in there that would cut the government in half as well as spending in at least half.

luvtolean · 10-05-2005, 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

On paper. It never truly was. It was a projection, and it was the raised tax rates and riding the economic boom that was able to show that on paper.
But yes, it would be nice if there were some actual conservatives in there that would cut the government in half as well as spending in at least half.

That's closer than we've been since 1969. Let's say I think it's a noble goal. Party lines aside. Even just making it a priority and cultivating that thinking in government would be refreshing.

BDA116 · 10-05-2005, 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

That's closer than we've been since 1969. Let's say I think it's a noble goal. Party lines aside. Even just making it a priority and cultivating that thinking in government would be refreshing.

Agreed completely.

phobiaphobe · 10-05-2005, 4:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

On paper. It never truly was. It was a projection, and it was the raised tax rates and riding the economic boom that was able to show that on paper.
But yes, it would be nice if there were some actual conservatives in there that would cut the government in half as well as spending in at least half.

Kind of like how our liberal government likes to take credit for balancing the budget when the real credit goes to huge increases in tax revenues.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-05-2005, 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket

Was it their tone of voice that tipped you off?

That and the fact that Sheeply wrote "impeached(convicted)" in his post.

rocket · 10-05-2005, 4:29 PM

Check out the Government Section in your phone book. Being so close to DC it's amazing how many departments and bureaus there are.