Bush's rating with the public

oldgoat · 10-07-2005, 5:45 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/...h/bush_ap_poll

This is an interesting read. The second last paragraph is interesting from a party member.

Heavy-Dee · 10-07-2005, 6:38 PM

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I just think we're dealing with a culture we don't really understand.

Probably the most intelligent statement I've heard about the war yet. I don't know if we should be there or not. I don't assume that I know what the president knows, but this statement is probably spot on.

HD

FantasyGod · 10-08-2005, 5:17 AM

Bush could care less about ratings. He isn't looking to get re-elected. Hell, I didn't even vote for Bush, but he's there. People should suck it up and deal with his leadership, especially since he won't be leaving office anytime soon.

jaim · 10-08-2005, 5:25 AM

I think that people may actually be coming to the realization that the two terms of the Bush presidency is not helping anyone but the already incredibly rich. While those in the middle and at the lower end of the economic ladder are getting seriously screwed. They are realizing that having an agenda that politicizes everything instead of solving real problems just isn't cutting it. Now, I think, the Bush supporters are coming to realize what those of us who never supported Bush know. Bush is an idiot and his cabinet and cronies are nothing but self serving, avaricious, corrupt individuals with no intent on improving the average American's condition.

oldgoat · 10-08-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jaim

I think that people may actually be coming to the realization that the two terms of the Bush presidency is not helping anyone but the already incredibly rich. While those in the middle and at the lower end of the economic ladder are getting seriously screwed. They are realizing that having an agenda that politicizes everything instead of solving real problems just isn't cutting it. Now, I think, the Bush supporters are coming to realize what those of us who never supported Bush know. Bush is an idiot and his cabinet and cronies are nothing but self serving, avaricious, corrupt individuals with no intent on improving the average American's condition.

i know i 'll get my head handed to me for this but, i totally agree.

rocket · 10-08-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oldgoat

i know i 'll get my head handed to me for this but, i totally agree.

Why? It's the same crap different day from you guys. I and many other conservatives on this board have been very outspoken against the Republican Party where we feel they have dropped the ball . I think I need to hear what's wrong with the Democratic Party from those of you who hold the party line. You know the line, Clinton did no wrong, Ronnie Earle was just in his accusations, and so on. If you looked at things more objectively maybe someone would take you serious. It would give you a bit more credibility IMO.

The fact that the Democratic Party is an inch away from being the Socialist Party concerns me. The fact that some of you think that the role of government is to right all wrongs shows me that there is a divide in this country . The dependent and the independent, the givers and the takers.
I was raised to be independent not dependent on anyone...especially a politician. Open your eyes gents.

oldgoat · 10-08-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket

Why? It's the same crap different day from you guys. I and many other conservatives on this board have been very outspoken against the Republican Party where we feel they have dropped the ball . I think I need to hear what's wrong with the Democratic Party from those of you who hold the party line. You know the line, Clinton did no wrong, Ronnie Earle was just in his accusations, and so on. If you looked at things more objectively maybe someone would take you serious. It would give you a bit more credibility IMO.

The fact that the Democratic Party is an inch away from being the Socialist Party concerns me. The fact that some of you think that the role of government is to right all wrongs shows me that there is a divide in this country . The dependent and the independent, the givers and the takers.
I was raised to be independent not dependent on anyone...especially a politician. Open your eyes gents.

I personally never said Clinton was perfect. His moral judgement sucks IMO but, Its his PRIVATE life and should have never been front page news for months and cost the tax payers millons.
Nafta was disaster to the middle income worker IMO. Clintons doing

Thing that were good - Best stock market ever, No wars , except Bosnia which was short. No deficit and the future seemed bright. i don't see that now. Huge deficit, war's, stock market sucks overall, gas prices which i think you'll agree with are high. Is Bush addressing any of this ? If he did I would change my opinion of the current administration.

BDA116 · 10-08-2005, 4:33 PM

Klinton MADE his personal life public, then lied about it to Congress and a Grand Jury.
Quantify the rest of your Bush-bashing. The stock market is at it's most balanced point it has been for years, the Dow is right where it should be and was before klinton destroyed the economy, (its overvalued record is only slightly higher than it currently is at) the S&P (the best marker of the economy) is right near where the value should be and only slightly lower than it's bloated figure under klinton. The only major segment that is down is the NASDAQ, and rightfully so. The dot-com markets bloated the NASDAQ to figures it never should have been. Everyone knew it at the time, and it is if anything overvalued slightly still today. There are more Americans wokring today than there ever were under klinton. Unemployment - even after the numbers Katrina contributed - is very healthy.
The stock market is in very healthy shape, we still have troops in Bosnia, where klinton started a conflict illegally. Sure there's a deficit, but the majority of it has to do with things that were started thanks to the moronic (non)handling of terrorism the previous eight years. Deficit spending has always preceeded a major economic boom, which we are currently in the beginnings of.
I'd bet six figures that you run a deficit yourself, don't throw rocks in glass houses.
Gas prices are higher than they have been, and nobody really likes it, but overall gasonline in the United States is still undervalued. They ae stabilizing and coming back down.
And the typical leftist "only good for the rich" crap is just that, crap. Bush's tax changes created a whole new bracket for welfare surfers. Now the get even more money in the redistribution scheme the left loves so much. The second to last (previously last) bracket is expanded even further, now anyone that makes under $28000 per year pays NO income taxes whatsoever, AND gets money back from productive members of society.
The middle bracket recieved more cuts than the top bracket as well. The idiotic 1% saying you leftist nuts love so well is a sham, as the top 1% also pay more taxes than the bottom 50% combined.
In other words, Bush has and is adressed each one of your leftist talking points.

The problem is that when you get your news from michael moore, a bunch of Saturday Night Live "actors" on a radio station that embezzles public funds illegally and the new york times, you'll never know the real full picture.

Bush could be doing a WHOLE lot better, but it has more to do with the fact that he's allowing Congress to give away WAY too much money to welfare surfers, the Medicare/Medicaid B.S. expansion, and many other idiotic handouts, rather than vetoing them, and cutting government by massive amounts like any real conservative would do.
Bush is WAY to liberal, but WAY better than the options the socialists gave the nation.

jaim · 10-08-2005, 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket

Why? It's the same crap different day from you guys. I and many other conservatives on this board have been very outspoken against the Republican Party where we feel they have dropped the ball . I think I need to hear what's wrong with the Democratic Party from those of you who hold the party line. You know the line, Clinton did no wrong, Ronnie Earle was just in his accusations, and so on. If you looked at things more objectively maybe someone would take you serious. It would give you a bit more credibility IMO.

The fact that the Democratic Party is an inch away from being the Socialist Party concerns me. The fact that some of you think that the role of government is to right all wrongs shows me that there is a divide in this country . The dependent and the independent, the givers and the takers.
I was raised to be independent not dependent on anyone...especially a politician. Open your eyes gents.

I find it funny that you right wingnuts think I am a democrat. But that is another thread. I have no love of the Democratic party. Clinton did alot of things that pissed me off but I wasn't on this board then so you didn't get to read about them. I do look at things objectively I think that maybe some folks hear do not read things objectively.

You say the Democratic party is an inch away from being a Socialist party. I counter by saying the Republican party is less than an inch away from being a Fascist party. I really wish there was a third choice but unless more people speak out and do something to change the current political process we are stuck with one or the other. If I only have two choices I will pick the socialists. Seems to work quite well for Sweden, Finland, Australia and others.

You should start another thread asking what is wrong with the Democratic party. I will be more than happy to partake in that one.

jaim · 10-08-2005, 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoat

i know i 'll get my head handed to me for this but, i totally agree.

Thanks for the support. But you may just get your rep points and the like decimated as my have been.

rocket · 10-08-2005, 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jaim

If I only have two choices I will pick the socialists. Seems to work quite well for Sweden, Finland, Australia and others.

I'd say by this statement you are officially "out of the closet".

rocket · 10-08-2005, 6:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jaim

Thanks for the support. But you may just get your rep points and the like decimated as my have been.

Wow a modern day martyr.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-08-2005, 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoat

Its his PRIVATE life

Mr. Goat, perhaps you can further explain how getting a blowjob in the Oval Office, the taxpayer funded office where our President works, is private?

If it had been during some off hours in a motel somewhere, THAT would have been private.

There's a huge difference.

djice929 · 10-08-2005, 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoat

I personally never said Clinton was perfect. His moral judgement sucks IMO but, Its his PRIVATE life and should have never been front page news for months and cost the tax payers millons.
Nafta was disaster to the middle income worker IMO. Clintons doing

Thing that were good - Best stock market ever, No wars , except Bosnia which was short. No deficit and the future seemed bright. i don't see that now. Huge deficit, war's, stock market sucks overall, gas prices which i think you'll agree with are high. Is Bush addressing any of this ? If he did I would change my opinion of the current administration.

Im sure Monica Lewinsky was being treated better than other female workers in the white house. The women in the building should have been screaming bloody murder about that. So much for the leftist womens rights. Besides Bosnia, Clinton also bombed Iraq too.

"Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

And there is an alternative to the 2 major parties, its called the Libertarian Party. They are now the 3rd largest political party and are gaining strength. They are the only party that believes in following the Constitution to the letter, whether they agree with it or not. You can read more about their positions at www.lp.org

djice929 · 10-08-2005, 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Klinton MADE his personal life public, then lied about it to Congress and a Grand Jury.
Quantify the rest of your Bush-bashing. The stock market is at it's most balanced point it has been for years, the Dow is right where it should be and was before klinton destroyed the economy, (its overvalued record is only slightly higher than it currently is at) the S&P (the best marker of the economy) is right near where the value should be and only slightly lower than it's bloated figure under klinton. The only major segment that is down is the NASDAQ, and rightfully so. The dot-com markets bloated the NASDAQ to figures it never should have been. Everyone knew it at the time, and it is if anything overvalued slightly still today. There are more Americans wokring today than there ever were under klinton. Unemployment - even after the numbers Katrina contributed - is very healthy.
The stock market is in very healthy shape, we still have troops in Bosnia, where klinton started a conflict illegally. Sure there's a deficit, but the majority of it has to do with things that were started thanks to the moronic (non)handling of terrorism the previous eight years. Deficit spending has always preceeded a major economic boom, which we are currently in the beginnings of.
I'd bet six figures that you run a deficit yourself, don't throw rocks in glass houses.
Gas prices are higher than they have been, and nobody really likes it, but overall gasonline in the United States is still undervalued. They ae stabilizing and coming back down.
And the typical leftist "only good for the rich" crap is just that, crap. Bush's tax changes created a whole new bracket for welfare surfers. Now the get even more money in the redistribution scheme the left loves so much. The second to last (previously last) bracket is expanded even further, now anyone that makes under $28000 per year pays NO income taxes whatsoever, AND gets money back from productive members of society.
The middle bracket recieved more cuts than the top bracket as well. The idiotic 1% saying you leftist nuts love so well is a sham, as the top 1% also pay more taxes than the bottom 50% combined.
In other words, Bush has and is adressed each one of your leftist talking points.

The problem is that when you get your news from michael moore, a bunch of Saturday Night Live "actors" on a radio station that embezzles public funds illegally and the new york times, you'll never know the real full picture.

Bush could be doing a WHOLE lot better, but it has more to do with the fact that he's allowing Congress to give away WAY too much money to welfare surfers, the Medicare/Medicaid B.S. expansion, and many other idiotic handouts, rather than vetoing them, and cutting government by massive amounts like any real conservative would do.
Bush is WAY to liberal, but WAY better than the options the socialists gave the nation.

An excellent, logical post. I only wish i could give you more reputation!

oldgoat · 10-09-2005, 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo Noyz

Mr. Goat, perhaps you can further explain how getting a blowjob in the Oval Office, the taxpayer funded office where our President works, is private?

If it had been during some off hours in a motel somewhere, THAT would have been private.

There's a huge difference.

You got me there ! That was really bad but, the rest i think you'll admit was a soap opera.

Smitty929RR · 10-09-2005, 9:34 PM

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The problem is that when you get your news from michael moore, a bunch of Saturday Night Live "actors" on a radio station that embezzles public funds illegally and the new york times, you'll never know the real full picture.

So are you suggesting we all watch FOX news and listen to Rush Pillpusher?
I really don't get how where you get your news make the admistration's job OK.

Truth be told, Cinton surely wasn't perfect at all, but his economic policies made money for EVERYONE. The job market was up and the investor market was up. However, he does not get all the credit as after 12 years of Reagan and big Bush, there was only one way to go.

Also true, Bush's rating is now in the bottom 5 of history and the lowest ever for a second termer.

In his private life, he has NEVER run a succesful company. He has bankrupted, (or been bailed out by daddy's oil buddies, and the Saudi's) everything he has touched. If you aren't in oil or real estate, this economy sucks for you.

The private sector follows government trends, and if the Gov. is not profitable, it makes things difficult in the private sector too.

Peolpe are really missing out by being so closed minded. I can't understand why the Bush fans are so aggressive to defend him. Do you really believe what he is saying? Anytime ANY politician talks you should treat it like they are trying to sell you a car. And this one is not a good deal.

My flamesuit is on, but this is really meant to be non-partisan. He is not doing an acceptable job in my opinion. And if I call him out on it, or ask a question about it, I don't feel like it's my fault, as he is in charge.

BDA116 · 10-09-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty929RR

The private sector follows government trends, and if the Gov. is not profitable, it makes things difficult in the private sector too.

Forget the rest of your bumbling horseshit, this is comedy gold!!
Somebody needs some serious remedial history lessons.

Wow, too bad the closed minds actually believe this garbage.

BizJetGuy · 10-09-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jaim

I think that people may actually be coming to the realization that the two terms of the Bush presidency is not helping anyone but the already incredibly rich. While those in the middle and at the lower end of the economic ladder are getting seriously screwed. They are realizing that having an agenda that politicizes everything instead of solving real problems just isn't cutting it. Now, I think, the Bush supporters are coming to realize what those of us who never supported Bush know. Bush is an idiot and his cabinet and cronies are nothing but self serving, avaricious, corrupt individuals with no intent on improving the average American's condition.

Strange, but I've done better financially in the past five years than I have at any other time in my life. And I don't attribute that to the government - just hard work on my part. Please explain how those in the middle and lower classes are being screwed by the Bush administration. I'm very interested to hear your answer because I may be getting screwed and not even know it - please open my eyes.

luvtolean · 10-09-2005, 10:50 PM

Greenspan has a hell of a lot more to do with the economy than the Pres, and that counts for Clinton and Bush.

I'm far more worried about the old wizard retiring than I am about who the Pres is.

Bacchus · 10-09-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty929RR

So are you suggesting we all watch FOX news and listen to Rush Pillpusher?
I really don't get how where you get your news make the admistration's job OK.

Truth be told, Cinton surely wasn't perfect at all, but his economic policies made money for EVERYONE. The job market was up and the investor market was up. However, he does not get all the credit as after 12 years of Reagan and big Bush, there was only one way to go.

Also true, Bush's rating is now in the bottom 5 of history and the lowest ever for a second termer.

In his private life, he has NEVER run a succesful company. He has bankrupted, (or been bailed out by daddy's oil buddies, and the Saudi's) everything he has touched. If you aren't in oil or real estate, this economy sucks for you.

The private sector follows government trends, and if the Gov. is not profitable, it makes things difficult in the private sector too.

Peolpe are really missing out by being so closed minded. I can't understand why the Bush fans are so aggressive to defend him. Do you really believe what he is saying? Anytime ANY politician talks you should treat it like they are trying to sell you a car. And this one is not a good deal.

My flamesuit is on, but this is really meant to be non-partisan. He is not doing an acceptable job in my opinion. And if I call him out on it, or ask a question about it, I don't feel like it's my fault, as he is in charge.

An excellent, logical post. I only wish I could give you more reputation.

Not directed at you Smitty929RR, obviously, as you are spot on. Just that the other ass-kissing post struck a nerve.

FantasyGod · 10-10-2005, 1:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Bush's tax changes created a whole new bracket for welfare surfers. Now the get even more money in the redistribution scheme the left loves so much. The second to last (previously last) bracket is expanded even further, now anyone that makes under $28000 per year pays NO income taxes whatsoever, AND gets money back from productive members of society.
The middle bracket recieved more cuts than the top bracket as well. The idiotic 1% saying you leftist nuts love so well is a sham, as the top 1% also pay more taxes than the bottom 50% combined.

You make it sound like being poor is a good thing. Borderlining homelessness with a family to feed is nothing to just brush off. To you the poor Americans are parasitic human waste. The poor, especially those that don't even come close to $25,000 per year, need every dollar for basic needs and subsistence. They will spend every dollar from their tax exemption and the money will cycle back into the economy. What will the rich 1% do with money from tax cuts, put it into an offshore savings account? They don't need to spend the 75% of their income on food and housing. They don't need tax cuts and won't be spending their tax returns on our economy. The CEO for Home Depot made something like $62 million last year, not including stock options or other perks. Does Nardelli need a tax cut? What will he be spending his tax return on?

Give money to the poor and they will spend it. Give money to the rich and they will accumulate wealth. What is better for the economy? Also, BDA, I find your insensitivity to people, especially the poor and the less fortunate, to the very disturbing. You talk down about them like they are the garbage of society and that they are somehow just parasites, less than human. You most likely wouldn't care about my disgust but it is still disturbing.

Smitty929RR · 10-10-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Forget the rest of your bumbling horseshit, this is comedy gold!!
Somebody needs some serious remedial history lessons.

Wow, too bad the closed minds actually believe this garbage.

Skip the rhetoric, it's tough to dispute the facts.