Disarming American Citizens at Gunpoint

rocket · 10-16-2005, 9:14 PM

ABC News did a segment on the effort by NOLA Police and National Guardsmen to disarm peaceable citizens on a block by block and house by house search. That's house clearing folks inside the USA. With images of police and guardsmen clearing rooms, shouldered M16's and M4s at the ready, the ABC reporter explained that they enter homes "with guns drawn with instructions to disarm anyone inside." Then the NO police chief says," No one will be able to be armed. We're going to take all weapons."

ABC Reporter: "Homeowners had armed themselves to protect their homes. Residents were handcuffed on the ground, and in the end police took their weapons but let them stay in their homes"

In the close of the ABC footage a very young guardsman says, " Walking up and down these streets you don't want to have to think about the stuff you are going to have to do. If somebody pops around the corner...." Off camera the reporter interrupts and says,"You mean shoot an American."

Yet another gross abuse of our beloved constitution. Charlton Heston said it best....

djice929 · 10-16-2005, 9:18 PM

Once the 2nd amendment falls, the rest will follow.

Hammer · 10-16-2005, 9:22 PM

Wish I had seen the segment, maybe good that I did not. They can take my weapons when I'm dead.

sheepofblue · 10-16-2005, 9:35 PM

Just goes to show that one of the REAL reasons for the 2nd amendment is to protect us against the government and always was.

luvtolean · 10-17-2005, 4:32 AM

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Just goes to show that one of the REAL reasons for the 2nd amendment is to protect us against the government and always was.

Yes, but as I think we saw in NOLA, people don't care anymore.

What REALLY pissed me off, was the rich people were allowed to hire armed security who roamed around the streets in front of their houses with very visible AR platform guns. The poor people, got beat down and disarmed by US troops in their homes.

I wonder how many people have really thought through "from my dead cold hands"....'cuz that's exactly what it would've been.

Hammer · 10-17-2005, 8:03 AM

I have and I mean it.

rocket · 10-17-2005, 8:40 AM

That would be a tough decision to make. I'm wondering how hard the soldiers looked for the firearms? That would make a difference on how I approached the situation. It's very strange that troops that were sent to help out the people ended up infringing on one of our most sacred rights.

oldgoat · 10-17-2005, 8:47 AM

Thats B.S. Who gave these orders to do this and why ?

seamus · 10-17-2005, 9:33 AM

You're all talking a lot of smack about shooting someone. It takes a lot more than that to actually look someone in the eye and watch them die.

rocket · 10-17-2005, 9:59 AM

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You're all talking a lot of smack about shooting someone. It takes a lot more than that to actually look someone in the eye and watch them die.

Who's talking smack? The soldiers that are clearing houses on American soil should be thinking the same thing. When you are defending a position your conscience is clear. It makes it a lot harder to squeeze a trigger if you are in the wrong - I couldn't do it. A lawful American should never have to make such a decision. A lawful American should never have his house cleared...ever.

Do you know what courage it took for the Founders to sign the Declaration of Independence? In signing that document they put their lives and their family's lives at risk. And for what? So they could be truly free. It was worth the cost then and it is worth it today. We have rights that we need to keep them secure or ALL of our rights will be taken. Especially the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution for without it there is nothing to keep the others from toppling over.

If you are an American than this should ring true, for an American without freedom isn't an American at all.

sheepofblue · 10-17-2005, 10:03 AM

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You're all talking a lot of smack about shooting someone. It takes a lot more than that to actually look someone in the eye and watch them die.

True but I am sure that you would want me on your jury if you shot them. I REALLY feel bad for any soldier put in such a position. If they enforce the order they are breaking the constitution, if they disobey it they will be persecuted and lose under the current courts.

BladeRider · 10-17-2005, 10:12 AM

So is there a law that gives them the right to do this or is against The Constitution, or both?

What if you refused to give up your arms at gunpoint and shot someone in your home

I'm not trying to start something I actually don't know the answer.

luvtolean · 10-17-2005, 10:46 AM

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What if you refused to give up your arms at gunpoint and shot someone in your home

I hate to say it, but I was kinda hoping it would happen. No casualties on either side, say a shot into the vest of a soldier that didn't penetrate, and the rest of the soldiers maintain their cool and don't kill the guy who did it (very highly unlikely I know).

It would've made a fascinating trial had the government allowed it to go that far. Unfortunately, rights groups that do pro bono work, like the ACLU who actively defends all "rights" except the second, probably wouldn't have touched the case.

I think had it been publicized, the "shooter" would've been made out to be some kind of nut/"gun freak" the public wouldn't take seriously.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-17-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocket

Do you know what courage it took for the Founders to sign the Declaration of Independence? In signing that document they put their lives and their family's lives at risk. And for what? So they could be truly free. It was worth the cost then and it is worth it today.

When I become President, I want you to be my speech writer.

nhfirefighter13 · 10-17-2005, 11:40 AM

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I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Anyone remember this? I said them 12 years ago. Anyone entering the military says the same thing....

Anyone else seeing the contradiction here? (in regards to this situation, that is)

...support and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC...

sheepofblue · 10-17-2005, 12:02 PM

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Anyone remember this? I said them 12 years ago. Anyone entering the military says the same thing....

Anyone else seeing the contradiction here? (in regards to this situation, that is)

...support and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC...

Yes but it goes to my statement. This would be a hard thing for a soldier to do. They would likely be arrested for disobeying a 'lawful' order. Most soldiers do not have the resources for a defense of this nature. Thus two travesties would be commited instead of one.

rocket · 10-17-2005, 4:30 PM

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Yes but it goes to my statement. This would be a hard thing for a soldier to do. They would likely be arrested for disobeying a 'lawful' order. Most soldiers do not have the resources for a defense of this nature. Thus two travesties would be commited instead of one.

Reminds me of the American soldier that refused to wear the UN garb.

sheepofblue · 10-17-2005, 4:38 PM

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Reminds me of the American soldier that refused to wear the UN garb.

he was correct and still got screwed.

rocket · 10-17-2005, 4:41 PM

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he was correct and still got screwed.

Yep. Seems like being right has very little to do with how the gov looks at things like this.

nhfirefighter13 · 10-17-2005, 7:38 PM

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Reminds me of the American soldier that refused to wear the UN garb.

Must've missed that one.

Regardless, any halfway decent lawyer could win that one. "My commanding officer told me to go against the Constitution...you know, the one I swore an oath to uphold.."

rocket · 10-17-2005, 7:43 PM

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Must've missed that one.

Regardless, any halfway decent lawyer could win that one. "My commanding officer told me to go against the Constitution...you know, the one I swore an oath to uphold.."

It was a few years back as I recall...you'd think it would have worked out the way you say but it didn't.

So much for oaths.

nhfirefighter13 · 10-17-2005, 9:00 PM

Can you give me a summary of the situation? I guess I don't see how wearing something that says UN on it is going against the Constitution.

sheepofblue · 10-17-2005, 9:44 PM

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Can you give me a summary of the situation? I guess I don't see how wearing something that says UN on it is going against the Constitution.