What if Saddam gets a not guilty verdict?

Proto · 10-19-2005, 5:31 PM

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Just wondering, but if Saddam gets off, does he get Iraq back?

From a discussion on this site:

http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229407

CBRVFR · 10-19-2005, 5:34 PM

We'll support his candidacy for Queen...

Proto · 10-19-2005, 5:51 PM

No such thing as candidacy for the top of the greasy pole. You have to shag another royal to get the job. Probably not worth it imo.

ND4SPD · 10-19-2005, 6:12 PM

Execute him anyway

*Mo Noyz* · 10-19-2005, 7:41 PM

A very interesting question.

As far as I know there would be two possibilities:

1. The United States, or any country in the coalition, could petition the U.N. to charge him and bring him to trial in the International Court Of Justice in The Hague.

2. He would be set free and would likely form a new party and run for re-election.

Other than that, I can't imagine what other options would exist.

CBRVFR · 10-19-2005, 7:41 PM

I was only referring to the gender qualification............

*Mo Noyz* · 10-19-2005, 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

I was only referring to the gender qualification............

I don't know, brother. Didn't you see that pic of Saddam in his tightie whiteys? The old boy is packing some heat!!

CBRVFR · 10-19-2005, 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo Noyz

I don't know, brother. Didn't you see that pic of Saddam in his tightie whiteys? The old boy is packing some heat!!

I think we'd be willing to arrange things so he meets the requirement..

*Mo Noyz* · 10-19-2005, 9:28 PM

Mojave954 · 10-19-2005, 10:20 PM

Nothing but a tatical delay in hopes that the local terrorist, insurgents for you with weak stomachs, can attempt to free him. If there is an attempt to free him, I hope the Marine

that is guarding him CAPS the bastard.

seamus · 10-19-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Execute him anyway

That reminded me of a quote from an old German Nazi book:

"You vill be given a fair trial. Then you vill be shot."

BDA116 · 10-19-2005, 10:55 PM

What happens if - sorry when - Germany decides it wants the rest of Europe again, and Europe again can't defend itself?
Do we wage war against a country that has never attacked the United States and poses no threat to us like we have before, only to occupy the area for tens of years afterwards, getting attacked over and over after the official war has ended by a small group of locals that hate us again like we have before?
Or do we sit back and agree with all the America hating assholes that claim we never should have gone to Iraq for the above reasons, and we won't make that same mistake twice - or in the case of eruoland, three times.

seamus · 10-19-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

What happens if - sorry when - Germany decides it wants the rest of Europe again, and Europe again can't defend itself?
Do we wage war against a country that has never attacked the United States and poses no threat to us like we have before, only to occupy the area for tens of years afterwards, getting attacked over and over after the official war has ended by a small group of locals that hate us again like we have before?
Or do we sit back and agree with all the America hating assholes that claim we never should have gone to Iraq for the above reasons, and we won't make that same mistake twice - or in the case of eruoland, three times.

Ah. Oooookaay. What?

Sometimes I can't tell when you're kidding BDA, but my last post was a joke.

BDA116 · 10-19-2005, 11:33 PM

Not directed at you, but the anti-American cock wallet that started this thread.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-20-2005, 12:13 AM

BDA, I love your approach when it comes to politics. But how does your analogy answer the question asked in the first post?

It's a valid question and does require more thought than you seem to be giving it.

phobiaphobe · 10-20-2005, 12:23 AM

'Member when he melted and got morphed with his dog? That was awesome.

BDA116 · 10-20-2005, 12:23 AM

I didn't see the first post, as I have the prick on my blocked list.
However, I'm sure it has either some text or link to some anti-American reason for Saddam's dismissal.
That said, there is no way he won't be found guilty on one of the charges. The question will be what sentence he gets. There were some witnesses that didn't show up at the opening of the trial due to fears of an attack on the courthouse. Now that they see it won't happen, the witnesses will come out in droves.
My Iraqi friend is in constant contact with home now that Saddam is gone, and the people there have every intention of Saddam dying.
If by some strange stroke of idiocy he doesn't get convicted of one of the multitude of crimes during this trial, big deal.
There will be more both inside and outside Iraq. I'd love (as would Zaydon) to see him set free on the streets of Iraq. He would be killed within days at the longest.
It is of no concern for me, as I trust he will pay for the crimes he committed against his people at the very least.

It really needs no further thought from me, as I know the vast majority of the Iraqi people will see that it is taken care of

Now, what about my question, let's see some thought applied to it.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-20-2005, 12:36 AM

But he still has loyalists throughout the country.

If he is found not guilty it could be catastrophic. Not only to the region, but to the U.S.

Good lord, BDA, surely you recognize the implications. Short of his murder in the streets(and I share your enthusiasm of such), it would lead to an escalation of violence in the Middle East and destabilize the entire region even more than what we have seen in the past.

*Mo Noyz* · 10-20-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BDA

Now, what about my question, let's see some thought applied to it.

Which question?

Mojave954 · 10-20-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

I didn't see the first post, as I have the prick on my blocked list.
However, I'm sure it has either some text or link to some anti-American reason for Saddam's dismissal.
That said, there is no way he won't be found guilty on one of the charges. The question will be what sentence he gets. There were some witnesses that didn't show up at the opening of the trial due to fears of an attack on the courthouse. Now that they see it won't happen, the witnesses will come out in droves.
My Iraqi friend is in constant contact with home now that Saddam is gone, and the people there have every intention of Saddam dying.
If by some strange stroke of idiocy he doesn't get convicted of one of the multitude of crimes during this trial, big deal.
There will be more both inside and outside Iraq. I'd love (as would Zaydon) to see him set free on the streets of Iraq. He would be killed within days at the longest.
It is of no concern for me, as I trust he will pay for the crimes he committed against his people at the very least.

It really needs no further thought from me, as I know the vast majority of the Iraqi people will see that it is taken care of

Now, what about my question, let's see some thought applied to it.

Then why didn't they bust a cap in his ass while he was in that hole?

People over there are sheep (no attack on our sheep). They will hide in their homes just like they did before. People thought the same thing when the Iyatollah (sic) took over Iraq, after the Shaw. As we know, that didn't happen.

BDA116 · 10-20-2005, 1:26 AM

He was being protected by his own people when in hiding. Much of the general public were still afraid of him at the time. Once he was taken into custody the whole game changed for the people there. I could see it in my friend, who was in exile because of a death sentence from Saddam, who has now been back to Iraq three times in the last couple years when he hadn't seen his home or family since 1991. He dad was executed by Saddam while he was here, and could not go home.
Now the people aren't scared of him or his loyalists any longer. In fact, the opposite is true. His loyalists are the ones running scared.
Mo, would a not guilty on all charges be devastating to the region? Perhaps. But in all honesty, how can anyone with an I.Q. over 50 think that will happen? He will be found guilty, and his people will want to hang him, but the U.N. will step in and try to spare his life, giving him a life sentence instead.
THAT is going to be the travesty that causes more duress in the region.
Sorry, I know it is an interesting what-if, and sincere hope for all America haters in euroland, but the possibility is less than one-thousanth the possibility Edwards has of winning a MotoGP title.
Mojave, the big difference now with why the people won't hide in their homes is that they have now tasted the slight freedoms. Just being able to cast a vote and have a voice, having more schools and hospitals open than at any time under Saddam, having more running water and electricity. Sharing in the oil monies and the markets all over the streets. Things that they have never had. they will not allow to be taken from them now.
There is also the fact that the know we have their backs now. They have wanted to overthrow Saddam, and were given an opportunity to ~10 years ago, but then we lat them down. At the time we turned tail when it was deemed politically risky. They know that's not the case now.
I know CNN wants everyone to believe only what they report about the small region of unrest, but when I hear first hand and see the joy in my friend's eyes, when he takes 4 vehicles over to Iraq to sell and comes home with piles of local goods from markets the true story is told. Those people have tasted it and want so strongly to have their country back, and hate the outsiders attacking our boys as badly as we do.

As for my question, Mo - you read my post. I see no valid reason to save euroland's asses only to be spat upon yet again.

CBR929RE · 10-20-2005, 1:27 AM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

'Member when he melted and got morphed with his dog? That was awesome.

"skins made of asbestos, tanning parlor accident"

They showed a clip on the news tonight from his court appearance and paused it for a second, he had something written on his palm. The newscaster called it his "cheat sheet". It was a Fox channel if that means anything to ya.

BDA what the hell is a cock wallet?

ND4SPD · 10-20-2005, 9:11 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/in...QjH0zcHMN2fD0w

FantasyGod · 10-20-2005, 3:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Now the people aren't scared of him or his loyalists any longer. In fact, the opposite is true. His loyalists are the ones running scared.

The amount people that turned out at the polls demonstrate that most Iraqis are willing to stand up for their own gov't in spite of the Sunni insurgency. Most of these people would most likely also desire more security than the current security situation. I know you recognize the Sunni Triangle and the Sunni "terrorists" that constantly bombard the US Coalition, Iraqi Security Forces and civilians with bombs, roadside and suicide. Saddam's loyalists and Sunni Baathists are running around but they busy plotting and setting up terrorist acts, not exactly scared. These terrorists aren't out in the open not because they are scared but they are playing their cards out to wreak the most possible havok to derail the Shiite-Kurdish gov't.
You empathize with the Iraqi majority (Shiites and Kurds) probably because you have an Iraqi friend to identify with. I'm not knocking you here. Just don't underestimate the troublemaking Iraqi minority.

luvtolean · 10-24-2005, 7:06 PM

Reading that Brit thread makes me feel schizophrenic.

Some seem to have fully removed the idea from their minds that the UK was in with us, one that Kissinger should be tried for war crimes but it's OK to the elite (WTF does that mean?!) others seem to say we both violated international law....

seamus · 10-24-2005, 9:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojave954

Then why didn't they bust a cap in his ass while he was in that hole?

People over there are sheep (no attack on our sheep). They will hide in their homes just like they did before. People thought the same thing when the Iyatollah (sic) took over Iraq, after the Shaw. As we know, that didn't happen.

You spelled Iran wrong.

phobiaphobe · 10-25-2005, 11:49 PM

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....gi?u=bomb_iran