They watch what you do on the internet

jaim · 02-10-2006, 4:02 AM

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0209/p...spo.html?s=hns

bikerchix · 02-10-2006, 2:07 PM

This isnt surprising. They're probably already doing it. Just one more way the government is using terrorism, to invade our lives.

LUCIDDREAM57 · 02-10-2006, 2:21 PM

HAHA, if the gov wants to spend 50 mill to find out i crack jokes about them, buy uber amounts of motorcycle plastic and look at naked women let em. then again, if the progam invades personal mail and private message systems i would be concerned, but if you don't want anybody reading or knowing where you go on public sites then don't go there or post comments.

luvtolean · 02-10-2006, 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LUCIDDREAM57

but if you don't want anybody reading or knowing where you go on public sites then don't go there or post comments.

But ov course, vhy vould ju vorry van de guvment vatches vat du do?

ConqSoft · 02-10-2006, 2:41 PM

Do you think ISPs don't already track where you go? If it goes through them, they know...

luvtolean · 02-10-2006, 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ConqSoft

Do you think ISPs don't already track where you go? If it goes through them, they know...

ISP is one thing, the government doing it legally for anyone they want? Entirely another.

phobiaphobe · 02-10-2006, 2:48 PM

Anyone here ever read Stasiland?

LUCIDDREAM57 · 02-10-2006, 2:54 PM

wasn't that the book by adolf? on no sorry thats min kompf or something.

phobiaphobe · 02-10-2006, 2:58 PM

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/BookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=XR2GYbYBWY&isbn=1862075808& itm=1

sheepofblue · 02-10-2006, 3:58 PM

Another plot to net the Secret Society of Sheep

jaim · 02-10-2006, 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LUCIDDREAM57

HAHA, if the gov wants to spend 50 mill to find out i crack jokes about them, buy uber amounts of motorcycle plastic and look at naked women let em. then again, if the progam invades personal mail and private message systems i would be concerned, but if you don't want anybody reading or knowing where you go on public sites then don't go there or post comments.

Again I will point out sthat this is the attitude that allows the government to do such things. And yes they are watching private messaging system. Didn't you read the article? They are particularly interested in private/public messaging and actually have a system in place to gather info about it.

I just wonder if the gov't also has access to everybodies credit information. That would be a gold mine for the government.

Does anyone here see a problem with the U.S. government using tax dollars to gather all available information on all its citizens (in other words "spy"). Sounds like another government that we used to worry about not too long ago. I remember something about a cold war with that government.

luvtolean · 02-10-2006, 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jaim

Does anyone here see a problem with the U.S. government using tax dollars to gather all available information on all its citizens (in other words "spy").

Yes, but going by past discussions on privacy, most people on the site don't.

BDA116 · 02-10-2006, 5:03 PM

Doesn't anyone here see a problem with the government deciding what they will "teach", to whom, at what age and what they aren't allowed to learn about? And wanting a complete forced monopoly on that (in other words indoctrinate)?

luvtolean · 02-10-2006, 5:06 PM

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Doesn't anyone here see a problem with the government deciding what they will "teach", to whom, at what age and what they aren't allowed to learn about? And wanting a complete forced monopoly on that (in other words indoctrinate)?

While I think our teaching system is broken in many ways, it has absolutely nothing to do with spying.

BDA116 · 02-10-2006, 5:11 PM

But what's worse? Indoctrinating children with what the government wants to control, or the government knowing where you bought that last pair of edible panties?

For the record I don't like either, but think gubmint knowledge control is one of the worst things possible.

jaim · 02-10-2006, 5:13 PM

A little update on this. I sent the URL to my fiance's work address. She calls me and says that the email was blocked because of its content. I just sent her the URL, nothing else. So that means her employer's firewall system actually opened the URL, scanned it for its content, and then made the decision that it wouldn't be allowed through. Now WTF is that!?

We are almost to 1984.

luvtolean · 02-10-2006, 5:14 PM

BDA, I think it dilutes the debate over both by confusing the issue.

phobiaphobe · 02-10-2006, 5:16 PM

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For the record I don't like either, but think gubmint knowledge control is one of the worst things possible.

You think that's bad? Try having a government-run propaganda network and a national censor that forces private media outlets to run X% "domestic content".

luvtolean · 02-10-2006, 5:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jaim

A little update on this. I sent the URL to my fiance's work address. She calls me and says that the email was blocked because of its content. I just sent her the URL, nothing else. So that means her employer's firewall system actually opened the URL, scanned it for its content, and then made the decision that it wouldn't be allowed through. Now WTF is that!?

We are almost to 1984.

Ironic maybe, but I agree with a business' right to sensor what is transmitted over their privately owned network.

jaim · 02-10-2006, 5:24 PM

And it keeps getting deeper.
http://news.com.com/2100-1030_3-6037598.html

Baketech · 02-10-2006, 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LUCIDDREAM57

wasn't that the book by adolf? on no sorry thats min kompf or something.

Zero to Nazism in 8.0 posts. Not too shabby...

*Mo Noyz* · 02-10-2006, 6:16 PM

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Zero to Nazism in 8.0 posts. Not too shabby...

That high altitude training finally paid off.

*Mo Noyz* · 02-10-2006, 6:18 PM

Am I the only one that found this statement most interesting?:

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"We have an attitude that no one will connect all those dots. But these programs are about connecting those dots - analyzing and aggregating them - in a way that we haven't thought about. It's one of the underlying fundamental issues we have yet to come to grips with."

All what dots?

analogbear · 02-10-2006, 8:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Doesn't anyone here see a problem with the government deciding what they will "teach", to whom, at what age and what they aren't allowed to learn about? And wanting a complete forced monopoly on that (in other words indoctrinate)?

I don't understand. You are aware that there exist "private schools," which have no externally-imposed government curricular requirements, are you not? There goes the monopoly-thing...And, that these schools are regulated only in the sense that a very low-level skills test must be passed if the school is to be accredited and granted preferential tax status (the minimum standard can easily be exceeded)?